Is the age of the Earth worth disputing?

[Bible Highlighter]

I was very clear that by "myth" I didn't mean "a lie" or "not true".

You really cannot reinvent the English language. It is commonly understood that a myth is something of a half truth or is fiction.

Here is the definition:

A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
A fictitious story, person, or thing:

myth

Call it a half of a lie does not make it any less of a lie.
How does one determine what is true or not true?
Do you have a half lie detector?


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[archer75]

I'm out of this thread because I don't understand what's going on. Thanks for talking.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What is going on is when a person says that any part of God's Word is a lie or even a half of a lie (i.e. a myth), then they are saying God's Word is lying on some level; And yet, John 17:17 says "Thy Word is truth."


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[Bible Highlighter]

Anyways, the age of the Earth is worth disputing if it glorifies Jesus Christ and points us to Him. However, if we are always talking about the age of the Earth, then we have not moved on to the meat of God's Word. The Word is so much more than the creation. The focus of the Word is Jesus Christ and not the creation.


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[NothingIsImpossible]

Is it worth discussing? Sure why not. Is it worth arguing over? No. Its not a sin to not know the age of the earth. And when you die Gods not having a final exam with questions like how old the earth is. While we can guess going by various biblical stuff, we have no real answer. Though the reply tends to be "But here is the answer!". Again its just peoples point of view, doesn't mean its true or false or that it really matters.

Though with that said I think its only a couple thousand years old. How do I know this? I don't know it at all. I'm just going by how I interpret the bible. Hence he created everything in a week. So if Adam and Eve were created then we just have to follow how many years its been since then. Though some say maybe 7 days was figurative, not an actual timeline. But I'd disagree simply because while the bible does use parables, this is one of those times where they would not need to use one because the point is made "day" means "Day", 24 hours.

 

[Colter]

Your reading a different Bible then. Jesus said they obeyed the commandments of men and they did not obey God's Commandments. Jesus called them hypocrites.

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It's the same bible that the Jews use today to deny Jesus.

 

[Colter]

Actually, the jews did not believe the scriptures, nor Moses who wrote of the Christ.
John 5:44-46New King James Version (NKJV)
44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.

They still have a list of scripture based reasons why Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah. The reason being that the scripture was written by men and not accurate in placeses.

 

[Colter]

The oldest rocks on earth are about 4.5 billion years old using radio metric dating techniques. The Cambrian explosion occurred about 550,000,000 years ago. Will conscious man is roughly 1,000,000 years old.

 

[PeterDona]

Understanding what finally made God decide to destroy all flesh in the flood will require people to accept that there was a pre-flood world, with people having minds just as brilliant as ours, maybe even more. The Bible records, that God was grieved to his heart, when even the godly sons started to go after their lusts, and corrupted Gods way which was that "a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh". A prescription against adultery and fornication.
We live likewise in an age where the godly, even the people who say they are born-again, divorce and remarry at will. So we are as they were in the days of Noah. Sad to say. So in our culture, we are bringing the judgment of God on us. May we repent and prevent that judgment.

 

[Radrook]

It is worth disputing only if the days mentioned in Genesis are understood to be 24 hour days and the previous period before the seven creative days began isn't taken into account. That period I was told could have involved billions of earth years. There is also an indication that each creative day was 7,000 years long since we are still in the rest day period as indicated by the Apostle Paul.

Hebrews 4:
10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

 

[TravisD]

Interesting idea. But Gen.1:1 clearly says the time/space is the first thing God created. You need to have space to put the earth in it. If the space is there, then the time comes with it.

God created space and time. I don't understand why either would be dependent on the other. But still, any time that God created in relation to creating the universe could be any amount.

Look at Gen 1:11-13 where God said to "let the land produce vegetation". From this, the land began to produce trees, fruits, seeds, etc. All this took place in one creation day. This one day to God could have been a million years to us. Or maybe God sped up the process for all vegetation to grow and produce in one literal day. Either way, it would defy our human logic and any scientific principals we might apply to aging the Earth.

 

[TravisD]

Genesis 1 is FULLY supported by modern scientific knowledge. Furthermore, what's said in Genesis 1 exceeds what modern sciences can see.

I agree with you 100% but only because I want to. I'm not a Scientist

 

[juvenissun]

God created space and time. I don't understand why either would be dependent on the other. But still, any time that God created in relation to creating the universe could be any amount.

Look at Gen 1:11-13 where God said to "let the land produce vegetation". From this, the land began to produce trees, fruits, seeds, etc. All this took place in one creation day. This one day to God could have been a million years to us. Or maybe God sped up the process for all vegetation to grow and produce in one literal day. Either way, it would defy our human logic and any scientific principals we might apply to aging the Earth.

The "Day" in Gen. 1 does not mean the earth day. There were Day and Night in Day 1, when the sun was not there yet.

 

[juvenissun]

I agree with you 100% but only because I want to. I'm not a Scientist

I am. And I am convinced that Gen. 1 is scientifically true.

 

[TravisD]

Do we need to have an opinion on the matter to walk with Christ? Not at all. But God made all kinds of people, and there are some that God wants to inquire into such things.

Thank you for this. I need not worry myself with the Science involved in proving/dis-proving the age of the Earth. I do respect the Christians out there who scientifically support the Creation account in Genesis.

 

[TravisD]

It is worth disputing only if the days mentioned in Genesis are understood to be 24 hour days and the previous period before the seven creative days began isn't taken into account. That period I was told could have involved billions of earth years. There is also an indication that each creative day was 7,000 years long since we are still in the rest day period as indicated by the Apostle Paul.

Hebrews 4:
10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

I've never considered the possibility of currently being in that 7th day of rest. Very interesting and it makes sense upon my first time reading it.

 

[TravisD]

The "Day" in Gen. 1 does not mean the earth day. There were Day and Night in Day 1, when the sun was not there yet.

So is it possible that millions or even billions of years passed before Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden? Were they even restricted by time in the garden?

 

[PeterDona]

It would not make a lot of sense to believe in days longer than normal. Reason is, that the grass and herb and fruit trees were created on day 3, and the sun on day 4. If the plants should wait 7000 years before the sun came to drive the photosynthesis, that would be a long time to wait.

 

[Radrook]

It would not make a lot of sense to believe in days longer than normal. Reason is, that the grass and herb and fruit trees were created on day 3, and the sun on day 4. If the plants should wait 7000 years before the sun came to drive the photosynthesis, that would be a long time to wait.

Here is an article that explains it further.
Entering God's Rest: A Study of Hebrews 4 | Grace Communion International

 

[juvenissun]

So is it possible that millions or even billions of years passed before Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden? Were they even restricted by time in the garden?

Even the DAY in Gen. 1 may not be the day on the earth, it does not have to be millions of years either. It is simple a period of time. The length of time does not really matter.

God tells us His creation by DAYs, because God wants us to know the sequence of creation. It is not necessary for Him to do it this way, or to tell us the sequence. He tells us the sequence because it matters for us to understand His grand plan from the beginning to the end. In other words, He tells us what happened in the past, so we can have faith to the future.

The understand of Genesis 1 strengthens faith, not hinders faith.