Is salvation conditional?

[corinth77777]

Then you are in disagreement with the verses I put forth and you are advocating in doing evil in God's name. But surely we both know God is good and just and perfect in His judgments. So your idea that you think you can sin and still be saved goes against everything that we know about moraliy or the goodness of God. For how can you tell the good guys from the bad guys when you watch a movie, or when you turn on the news or when you go out into the world? It is by what men do that determines if they are good or not. It's what 1 John 3:7 says. For he that does righteousness is righteous (even as He (Jesus) is righteous).



Then the 144,000 were really not found without fault before the throne of God.
And they that are Christ's did not really crucifiy the affections and lusts.
And Jesus must have been lying to two people in the fact that He told them to sin no more.
Did you even read the list of verses I provided? Or are you just throwing them out and disregarding them over a belief that you prefer?


Jesus here was not making idle threats or making a point in how we cannot keep the Law. His point is that we are not to look upon woman in lust or our whole body could be cast into hell fire. That's the point. For the Scriptures say that the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.


Right. God is going to tell you to do something that is not possible for you to do with His help. For the Scriptures say with God all things are possible. But you are saying that loving God with all your heart, mind, and soul is impossible.


And you think you cannot love your neighbor as yourself?
While this may be true on your own power, but with God's power working in your life, this can be reality for you.
Well, that is if you want it.

Also, you are making assumptions with these above verses.
Nowhere does God's Word use these verses so as to make a point that you cannot keep God's Commands.
On the contrary, Jesus said to the richman if you will enter into life, keep the Commandments.
Who am I going to believe? You or Jesus? I choose Jesus.
Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments.
Yet, you are saying this is not the case?



You are quoting a verse that refutes yourself. God's Word says here to be ye holy as He is holy. Hebrews 12:14 says without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.



Apparently you have never read about the 144,000 in Revelation 14:3-5.
And if they can be without fault before the throne of God, then so can you.
But my guess is you really do not want that, though; Hence, why you believe as you do.



This is just being double minded with Scripture. 1 John 1:8 is not a declaration that all believers will live in sin in some way. That is insanity. 1 John 2:4 says he that says He knows Him and does not keep His Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. 1 John 1:8 is a warning to the faithful saints against those false believers who were trying to seduce them (1 John 2:26). This warning is saying the same thing that 1 John 2:4 is saying. It is denying sin on some level and claiming you are spiritually fine with God. It is saying if one says that sin does not exist for them on some level. For example: Christian Scientists believe sin is an illusion. So 1 John 1:8 would apply to them. 1 John 1:8 would also apply to the Eternal Security Proponent. For they believe they can sin physically but that they cannot sin spiritually because all future sin is forgiven them. But such a concept or belief is a doctrine of immorality and it does not uphold God's goodness or morality. The solution to taking care of sin is 1 John 1:9 (which is the very next verse). But even you do not believe that such a thing is necessary.



The devil can quote Scripture. That does not mean the devil is on the side of the truth.
The key here is to explain the verses that I put forth and not to post other verses that do not directly say anything about a how we cannot live perfectly before God. In fact, Jesus says for us to be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect. Have you ever did a brief study on the word "perfect" before?


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One thing we do know is perfect..means mature..Jesus was obedient to the point of death....He certainly was mature in love..

 

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One thing we do know is perfect..means mature..Jesus was obedient to the point of death....He certainly was mature in love..

Matthew 5:48 is surrounded by other teachings by Jesus for us to live holy. Jesus also said we are to be perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect. James says a perfect man is able to control his tongue. So no. We know that being perfect is in reference to our obedience to God.


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[yeshuaslavejeff]

We know that being perfect is in reference to our obedience to God.

Yes, absolutely and perhaps much more as well.

YHWH told HIS people long centuries before 0 b.c.
to be HOLY -
HE TOLD THEM - you must be HOLY because I AM HOLY
holy="set apart" all through SCRIPTURE as far as I know,
and
YHWH TOLD THEM HOW HE SET them apart from ALL THE gentile pagan people.

BY TORAH.

 

[corinth77777]

Matthew 5:48 is surrounded by other teachings by Jesus for us to live holy. Jesus also said we are to be perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect. James says a perfect man is able to control his tongue. So no. We know that being perfect is in reference to our obedience to God.


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Yes, but what does it mean to be obedient but to keep his command...and what is his command...seek God..and Love...
And this is my command that you love one another as I loved you. Love fullfills the law and The prophets

 

[corinth77777]

Yes, absolutely and perhaps much more as well.

YHWH told HIS people long centuries before 0 b.c.
to be HOLY -
HE TOLD THEM - you must be HOLY because I AM HOLY
holy="set apart" all through SCRIPTURE as far as I know,
and
YHWH TOLD THEM HOW HE SET them apart from ALL THE gentile pagan people.

BY TORAH.

I know it's Love...and love intails, seeking not your own, patience, kindness, merciful, boast not, and encouages others....Read Corinthians on Love.....Holy means set apart...and we are set apart for good works....that God prepared before hand that we should do them...
The only one who is Holy is Christ...we have to be in him...being in him means doing what he did....works in Christ. And if you in him doing what he did...then you are being Holy..
What did Jesus do....He prayed...asked his father to forgive them for they know not what they do...Corinthians, states love holds no records of wrong. He forgave..and forgiveness certainly brings about healing...amen
He gave life to people....we can give the gospel....He fed the hungry, ...and the list goes on..
This comes by the circumcision not made by hands...its the circumcision of the heart....our hearts must be purified by the word...
When we love we wont comitt adultry..because love seeks not its own...when we love we won't steal because love seeks not its own......etc..read the chapter on love.....We uphold the law of works, by faith working through love.
This is why it says first make the inside of the cup clean then the outside will be clean as well. --->>>>>First the heart..then you can do good works with the flesh....but not the other way around.......Love fullfills the law...God is Love....when we love we come to know him...and knowing God and Jesus is eternal life.

8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 1 8:2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit 2 in Christ Jesus has set you 3 free from the law of sin and death. 8:3 For God achieved what the law could not do because 4 it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 8:4 so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

8:5 For those who live according to the flesh have their outlook shaped by 5 the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit have their outlook shaped by the things of the Spirit. 8:6 For the outlook 6 of the flesh is death, but the outlook of the Spirit is life and peace, 8:7 because the outlook of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so. 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 8:9 You, however, are not in 7 the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him. 8:10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, but 8 the Spirit is your life 9 because of righteousness. 8:11Moreover if the Spirit of the one 10 who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, the one who raised Christ 11 from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his Spirit who lives in you. 12

8:12 So then, 13 brothers and sisters, 14 we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh8:13 (for if you live according to the flesh, you will 15 die), 16 but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live. 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are 17 the sons of God. 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery leading again to fear, 18 but you received the Spirit of adoption, 19 by whom 20 we cry, “Abba, Father.” 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness to 21 our spirit that we are God’s children. 8:17And if children, then heirs (namely, heirs of God and also fellow heirs with Christ) 22 – if indeed we suffer with him so.....

 

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Yes, but what does it mean to be obedient but to keep his command...and what is his command...seek God..and Love...
And this is my command that you love one another as I loved you. Love fullfills the law and The prophets

But specifics of certain Commands is important to understanding how to properly love, though. When Jesus said to the rich young ruler that if we are to enter into life we should keep the Commandments, the rich young ruler said he had kept them all. But Jesus said if you will be perfect sell all that you have and come follow me. But the rich young ruler was not willing to give up his wealth for Jesus and follow Him. He loved his riches more than he loved the LORD. No doubt the rich young ruler could have thought like most Christians today and just think he was loving God and his neighbor his own way. But we see that the rich young ruler was not willing to truly follow Jesus (and give up his wealth) and love the Lord on God's terms.

Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. Obviously the greatest two are not the only commands He has given us. 1 John 3:23 is one command that is foundational to our faith; And preaching the gospel and helping the poor are also commands given to us under the New Testament. In fact, not helping the poor in any way in this life (especially when we had opportunity to do so) is showing that we do not love Jesus. For Jesus says, if you have done unto to the least of these, you have done it unto me. For Jesus says to those who did not help those who were poor to depart from Him. This is not to say that salvation is in helping the poor. Salvation is ultimately in Christ and abiding in Him who is the source of our eternal life. The point here is that if one abides in Christ (Who is the source of eternal life), then one will bring forth good fruit according to God's Commands in the New Testament because Christ lives in them. We go thru the Sanctification process (Which is a necessary step for all believers who live out their faith and who abide in Christ). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Our holiness? No, no. Most certainly not. It is the work of Christ (God) done within us. For there is none good but God. So only His goodness can transform us (If we allow Him to do so of our own free will).

For salvation is Relationship-sim.
Salvation is abiding in Christ.
And if we abide in Christ, then the good fruit of the LORD will be in our life. In other words, we will find ourselves obeying the LORD's commands (i.e. the Commands in the New Testament and not the Old Testament).
Salvation is not Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism;
And Salvation is not Belief-Alone-ism.
Salvation is in the LORD.

As for the Law and the Prophets:

Well, this was said when the Old Covenant was still in effect. The Old Covenant Law as a whole is no longer in effect as an entire package (even though certain moral laws have appeared to have been carried over into the New Covenant). But no Christian is supposed to go back to the Old Law so as to obey God. This is why Paul said we are not under the Law. He was referring to the Old Law. It's only the Commands in the New Testament that we are to follow now. When Jesus died on the cross, the Old Covenant had ended and a New Covenant began. This is why the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The animal sacrifices (that was a part of the Old Law) is no longer binding anymore. Jesus is our perfect sacrifice. This is why Peter freaked a little when the LORD told him to eat unclean animals in a vision. The Old Law that told him to not eat unclean animals was no longer binding; Even Jesus said shortly before the cross, " ...A new covenant, ...hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13). This old law vanished away with Christ's death upon the cross and a new set of laws within a new covenant was implimented. For when a person dies, they sometimes have a written will or testament to give money or their inheritance to their family. This is why the Scriptures say..."For a testament [or will] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." (Hebrews 9:17).

Also, Jesus said the Law and the Prophets will not pass away until all will be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the Law portion of the Law and the Prophets on the cross. Yet, the Prophets portion of the Law and Prophets has yet to still be fulfilled because many of it's prophecies are still yet future.

http://www.learnthebible.org/law-and-the-prophets.html

Does this mean Christians are partial anarchists now? No, no. Most certainly not. The moral laws (like do not steal, do not murder, do not commit adultery, etc.) have been repeated within the New Covenant, but they are not exactly the same because they are no longer attached with death penalties if we are to disobey them. We have God's grace to be forgiven (if we confess and forsake our sins - 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Proverbs 28:13); This of course is not a means for us to have a license to sin, but it is merely a way so that we can overcome sin (by the LORD's power and help).


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[ToBeLoved]

I thought that was addressed to me. (I'll pretend it is)
Eeeeep!

That post wasn't directed at you, but another poster.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know it's Love...and love intails,

If someone love's Y'SHUA, they obey YHWH'S commands, and they are not burdensome.
Those who are rebellious don't get to enter heaven [YHWH'S KINGDOM] nor will they ever even see it.

 

[Blade]

After accepting God's sacrifice, his son Jesus the Christ. And from there acquiring salvation from sin and destruction/hell, is it on the condition that you remain faithful to Jesus?

1st were talking about the blood of a GOD. That left heaven became man full man. And it really cost GOD something to do this so many have no clue they think He came died rose went back to the way it was. Seek Him ask Him what it cost God.

Anyway salvation as it is written is based on you believing John 3:16. Now the old man is passed off and all things become new. New spirit but the flesh is still flesh and wants to sin. To stay faithful? Jesus said if you love me keep my words. So yes but know that so many TOSS that word "if you love Jesus you keep his words". To love HIM one would have to KNOW Him and so many most dont know Him. Yet are saved.

And know that this is REAL! So you will find things that you use to do.. you just dont want to do any more. So many times you are like wow.. AWESOME! Yeah.. JESUS IS REAL SO real He by the sweet sweet Spirit of God leads and guides us into all truth. HE IS REAL! You will WANT to be faithful. But you might fall goof up sin.. just repent and keep going! And SEEK HIM 1st! Love all forgive all show mercy grace. Treat others the way you want to be treated

 

[corinth77777]

If someone love's Y'SHUA, they obey YHWH'S commands, and they are not burdensome.
Those who are rebellious don't get to enter heaven [YHWH'S KINGDOM] nor will they ever even see it.

1 john 3:23
nal Version
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

 

[corinth77777]

But specifics of certain Commands is important to understanding how to properly love, though. When Jesus said to the rich young ruler that if we are to enter into life we should keep the Commandments, the rich young ruler said he had kept them all. But Jesus said if you will be perfect sell all that you have and come follow me. But the rich young ruler was not willing to give up his wealth for Jesus and follow Him. He loved his riches more than he loved the LORD. No doubt the rich young ruler could have thought like most Christians today and just think he was loving God and his neighbor his own way. But we see that the rich young ruler was not willing to truly follow Jesus (and give up his wealth) and love the Lord on God's terms.

Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. Obviously the greatest two are not the only commands He has given us. 1 John 3:23 is one command that is foundational to our faith; And preaching the gospel and helping the poor are also commands given to us under the New Testament. In fact, not helping the poor in any way in this life (especially when we had opportunity to do so) is showing that we do not love Jesus. For Jesus says, if you have done unto to the least of these, you have done it unto me. For Jesus says to those who did not help those who were poor to depart from Him. This is not to say that salvation is in helping the poor. Salvation is ultimately in Christ and abiding in Him who is the source of our eternal life. The point here is that if one abides in Christ (Who is the source of eternal life), then one will bring forth good fruit according to God's Commands in the New Testament because Christ lives in them. We go thru the Sanctification process (Which is a necessary step for all believers who live out their faith and who abide in Christ). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Our holiness? No, no. Most certainly not. It is the work of Christ (God) done within us. For there is none good but God. So only His goodness can transform us (If we allow Him to do so of our own free will).

For salvation is Relationship-sim.
Salvation is abiding in Christ.
And if we abide in Christ, then the good fruit of the LORD will be in our life. In other words, we will find ourselves obeying the LORD's commands (i.e. the Commands in the New Testament and not the Old Testament).
Salvation is not Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism;
And Salvation is not Belief-Alone-ism.
Salvation is in the LORD.

As for the Law and the Prophets:

Well, this was said when the Old Covenant was still in effect. The Old Covenant Law as a whole is no longer in effect as an entire package (even though certain moral laws have appeared to have been carried over into the New Covenant). But no Christian is supposed to go back to the Old Law so as to obey God. This is why Paul said we are not under the Law. He was referring to the Old Law. It's only the Commands in the New Testament that we are to follow now. When Jesus died on the cross, the Old Covenant had ended and a New Covenant began. This is why the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The animal sacrifices (that was a part of the Old Law) is no longer binding anymore. Jesus is our perfect sacrifice. This is why Peter freaked a little when the LORD told him to eat unclean animals in a vision. The Old Law that told him to not eat unclean animals was no longer binding; Even Jesus said shortly before the cross, " ...A new covenant, ...hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13). This old law vanished away with Christ's death upon the cross and a new set of laws within a new covenant was implimented. For when a person dies, they sometimes have a written will or testament to give money or their inheritance to their family. This is why the Scriptures say..."For a testament [or will] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." (Hebrews 9:17).

Also, Jesus said the Law and the Prophets will not pass away until all will be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the Law portion of the Law and the Prophets on the cross. Yet, the Prophets portion of the Law and Prophets has yet to still be fulfilled because many of it's prophecies are still yet future.

http://www.learnthebible.org/law-and-the-prophets.html

Does this mean Christians are partial anarchists now? No, no. Most certainly not. The moral laws (like do not steal, do not murder, do not commit adultery, etc.) have been repeated within the New Covenant, but they are not exactly the same because they are no longer attached with death penalties if we are to disobey them. We have God's grace to be forgiven (if we confess and forsake our sins - 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Proverbs 28:13); This of course is not a means for us to have a license to sin, but it is merely a way so that we can overcome sin (by the LORD's power and help).


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nal Version
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
Read What I wrote to..the other fellow...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

1 john 3:23
nal Version
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

Very Good.
As Y'SHUA not only agrees, but also says "... by EVERY WORD...."
so
there's a few hundred or thousand more verses, or more, to accept also.... otherwise , well, you only get one tiny piece of the truth about YHWH'S description.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

nal Version
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
Read What I wrote to..the other fellow...

Sorry, no offense, but I would prefer not going on an Easter egg hunt to figure out what your talking about. Answer me directly or provide a post number. Also, tell me what you are talking about in more detail. Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree, then what verses refute what I said with Scripture?

For I made many points with Scripture; Your best way of convincing me is to reply to each of them (if you disagree).


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[yeshuaslavejeff]

And this is HIS command:
to believe in the NAME of HIS SON, < Y'SHUA MESSIAH > ~ , and to love one another as HE commanded us. (i.e. "DO" HIS WORD, don't be "hearers" only)

SALVATION IS WONDERFUL !

 

[humblescribe]

All that is required for salvation is that you have faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will fill you. Once you have the Holy Spirit, Jesus will work in you to produce works of faith. Remaining faithful does not take effort and is no longer a decision we can make. The work is all Christ. It is just up to us to rely on His work. We still commit sin. One sin is pride. We can even go as far as deliberately and verbally denying Christ in our pride. That won't stop him from working in our hearts. The Holy Spirit will convict us until we repent. There are some that never had faith to begin with. They will boast of Jesus's name but will have never known him as their Lord and savior. If you know that you are a sinner and that the just punishment for that sin is hell, you will never turn from Christ who suffered that eternal suffering on the cross for you. You would love him til kingdom come just out of an intense desire to please him. This is referred to as the repentance that is not repented of. True repentance is never repented of.

 

[corinth77777]

If someone love's Y'SHUA, they obey YHWH'S commands, and they are not burdensome.
Those who are rebellious don't get to enter heaven [YHWH'S KINGDOM] nor will they ever even see it.

We know the kingdom of the heavens is at hand.....to see the kingdom...it seems to me we must have an interactive relationship with God...through obeying his command..which is first believe upon him..as faith described in Hebrews..if we believe who he is and intend to act..and act...by doing what Jesus did...then God will be with us...Jesus sought God and loved.....the kingdom was not eating nor drinking but a type of life...of peace and joy in the spirit.
Believing on the one that Jesus sent...and love as Christ loved...

 

[corinth77777]

All that is required for salvation is that you have faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will fill you. Once you have the Holy Spirit, Jesus will work in you to produce works of faith. Remaining faithful does not take effort and is no longer a decision we can make. The work is all Christ. It is just up to us to rely on His work. We still commit sin. One sin is pride. We can even go as far as deliberately and verbally denying Christ in our pride. That won't stop him from working in our hearts. The Holy Spirit will convict us until we repent. There are some that never had faith to begin with. They will boast of Jesus's name but will have never known him as their Lord and savior. If you know that you are a sinner and that the just punishment for that sin is hell, you will never turn from Christ who suffered that eternal suffering on the cross for you. You would love him til kingdom come just out of an intense desire to please him. This is referred to as the repentance that is not repented of. True repentance is never repented of.

Hi, faith..is hope + evidence..in short..
The evidence..intending to do what Jesus did.....

 

[corinth77777]

Sorry, no offense, but I would prefer not going on an Easter egg hunt to figure out what your talking about. Answer me directly or provide a post number. Also, tell me what you are talking about in more detail. Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree, then what verses refute what I said with Scripture?

For I made many points with Scripture; Your best way of convincing me is to reply to each of them (if you disagree).


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If you read...what I wrote to the other fellow.....It was inclusive in things you said....so it was no need for me to reiterate what was already inclusive. you wrote too much...things that didnt need to be discussed...so...I stuck with scripture because believing and love are the command. Love obviously covers it all...and No need to explain when I gave examples and stated to read the chapter on love.

 

[corinth77777]

Very Good.
As Y'SHUA not only agrees, but also says "... by EVERY WORD...."
so
there's a few hundred or thousand more verses, or more, to accept also.... otherwise , well, you only get one tiny piece of the truth about YHWH'S description.

According to...the word...Love fulfills the law and prophets...

 

[corinth77777]

But specifics of certain Commands is important to understanding how to properly love, though. When Jesus said to the rich young ruler that if we are to enter into life we should keep the Commandments, the rich young ruler said he had kept them all. But Jesus said if you will be perfect sell all that you have and come follow me. But the rich young ruler was not willing to give up his wealth for Jesus and follow Him. He loved his riches more than he loved the LORD. No doubt the rich young ruler could have thought like most Christians today and just think he was loving God and his neighbor his own way. But we see that the rich young ruler was not willing to truly follow Jesus (and give up his wealth) and love the Lord on God's terms.

Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. Obviously the greatest two are not the only commands He has given us. 1 John 3:23 is one command that is foundational to our faith; And preaching the gospel and helping the poor are also commands given to us under the New Testament. In fact, not helping the poor in any way in this life (especially when we had opportunity to do so) is showing that we do not love Jesus. For Jesus says, if you have done unto to the least of these, you have done it unto me. For Jesus says to those who did not help those who were poor to depart from Him. This is not to say that salvation is in helping the poor. Salvation is ultimately in Christ and abiding in Him who is the source of our eternal life. The point here is that if one abides in Christ (Who is the source of eternal life), then one will bring forth good fruit according to God's Commands in the New Testament because Christ lives in them. We go thru the Sanctification process (Which is a necessary step for all believers who live out their faith and who abide in Christ). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Our holiness? No, no. Most certainly not. It is the work of Christ (God) done within us. For there is none good but God. So only His goodness can transform us (If we allow Him to do so of our own free will).

For salvation is Relationship-sim.
Salvation is abiding in Christ.
And if we abide in Christ, then the good fruit of the LORD will be in our life. In other words, we will find ourselves obeying the LORD's commands (i.e. the Commands in the New Testament and not the Old Testament).
Salvation is not Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism;
And Salvation is not Belief-Alone-ism.
Salvation is in the LORD.

As for the Law and the Prophets:

Well, this was said when the Old Covenant was still in effect. The Old Covenant Law as a whole is no longer in effect as an entire package (even though certain moral laws have appeared to have been carried over into the New Covenant). But no Christian is supposed to go back to the Old Law so as to obey God. This is why Paul said we are not under the Law. He was referring to the Old Law. It's only the Commands in the New Testament that we are to follow now. When Jesus died on the cross, the Old Covenant had ended and a New Covenant began. This is why the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The animal sacrifices (that was a part of the Old Law) is no longer binding anymore. Jesus is our perfect sacrifice. This is why Peter freaked a little when the LORD told him to eat unclean animals in a vision. The Old Law that told him to not eat unclean animals was no longer binding; Even Jesus said shortly before the cross, " ...A new covenant, ...hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13). This old law vanished away with Christ's death upon the cross and a new set of laws within a new covenant was implimented. For when a person dies, they sometimes have a written will or testament to give money or their inheritance to their family. This is why the Scriptures say..."For a testament [or will] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." (Hebrews 9:17).

Also, Jesus said the Law and the Prophets will not pass away until all will be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the Law portion of the Law and the Prophets on the cross. Yet, the Prophets portion of the Law and Prophets has yet to still be fulfilled because many of it's prophecies are still yet future.

http://www.learnthebible.org/law-and-the-prophets.html

Does this mean Christians are partial anarchists now? No, no. Most certainly not. The moral laws (like do not steal, do not murder, do not commit adultery, etc.) have been repeated within the New Covenant, but they are not exactly the same because they are no longer attached with death penalties if we are to disobey them. We have God's grace to be forgiven (if we confess and forsake our sins - 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Proverbs 28:13); This of course is not a means for us to have a license to sin, but it is merely a way so that we can overcome sin (by the LORD's power and help).


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Just because I am up at 1 a.m. I will respond..I dont know how to use quotes...so you will see me address your points in different post...a little by little sense you said a lot....smile