Is salvation conditional?

[corinth77777]

In this case, it doesn't matter what I believe.
As you admitted here, you assumed something not in evidence,
just as many others on the forum do and have in the past,
in their posts to others besides me.
My question to them each time is "show the evidence of what you post",
and so far no one has.(that I have seen, and I've been watching for an answer, passively usually(without any evidence, there's no continued discussion because there is no case to discuss) ).

I dont..understand...what you mean...assuming and knowing are different...I dont have anything to prove about what you believe.....If you believe the gospel it becomes evident..in your attitude and words...if you feel you have no explanation...then thats up to you.....

 

[corinth77777]

If people truly have heaven..or are in search of heaven they will seek it even if they must humble themselves.....
But its the choice of that person....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I dont..understand...what you mean...assuming and knowing are different...I dont have anything to prove about what you believe.....If you believe the gospel it becomes evident..in your attitude and words...if you feel you have no explanation...then thats up to you.....

I'm referring to the posts earlier, perhaps yours I don't remember,
that accuse others of thinking they can be made righteous by keeping the law.
You posted that you assumed that also, thus my reply to you.

So far no one who assumed that and posted that (that someone thought they could be made righteous by the law),
has posted the evidence for that, ever. (any time as far as I read about and even when requested to see evidence that anyone believed they could be made righteous by the law).

 

[corinth77777]

In this case, it doesn't matter what I believe.
As you admitted here, you assumed something not in evidence,
just as many others on the forum do and have in the past,
in their posts to others besides me.
My question to them each time is "show the evidence of what you post",
and so far no one has.(that I have seen, and I've been watching for an answer, passively usually(without any evidence, there's no continued discussion because there is no case to discuss) ).

If you don't want people to assume tell them what you believe....In the end God judges the heart of men

 

[corinth77777]

I'm referring to the posts earlier, perhaps yours I don't remember,
that accuse others of thinking they can be made righteous by keeping the law.
You posted that you assumed that also, thus my reply to you.

So far no one who assumed that and posted that (that someone thought they could be made righteous by the law),
has posted the evidence for that, ever. (any time as far as I read about and even when requested to see evidence that anyone believed they could be made righteous by the law).

Well...yes..the law of faith...
And there are some people that have faith and keep the law...but thats in their understanding......I believe if I keep the law of faith...which to me is trust in Christ for his finished works..yes I will be made right in that

 

[corinth77777]

Well...yes..the law of faith...
And there are some people that have faith and keep the law...but thats in their understanding......I believe if I keep the law of faith...which to me is trust in Christ for his finished works..yes I will be made right in that

I assumed that it was possible for you to believe the law of works saved ya...but I didn't know.......do you?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I assumed that it was possible for you to believe the law of works saved ya...but I didn't know.......do you?

no.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If you don't want people to assume tell them what you believe....In the end God judges the heart of men

None of my posts, nor anyone else's posts so far, have said that someone believes they are made righteous by keeping the law.
Many people have assumed that of others without evidence so far as I've seen.

It is perhaps worthy of note, that the lawless one opposed to Y'SHUA , the one who comes only to kill, to steal and to destroy,
makes accusations every day all day without evidence.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Context. (i.e. devour SCRIPTURE; read it fervently in constant prayer, like the BEREANS, as the APOSTLES always did, as the answer is clear and clearly in SCRIPTURE)
Also, usually when a verse is quoted,
it is argued or debated instead of accepted as is.

So are you going to list the verse or not? Opinions are debated much more often then scripture.

 

[corinth77777]

In the end to stay to the post...I believe salvation...meaning being delivered in the future from wrath.....Is dependent upon our remaining in Christ.....

If we are told to remain in him...then it would seem we keep ourselves....which would be part of our faith..in recognition of Jesus as the one who saves and is our salvation

Yet...Im open......because of ephesians.....1:13 ....with the view to the redemption to the praise of his glory.....after I look into that...

 

[corinth77777]

None of my posts, nor anyone else's posts so far, have said that someone believes they are made righteous by keeping the law.
Many people have assumed that of others without evidence so far as I've seen.

It is perhaps worthy of note, that the lawless one opposed to Y'SHUA , the one who comes only to kill, to steal and to destroy,
makes accusations every day all day without evidence.

Do you believe you are saved through belief in Jesus...in order to keep the law?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Do you believe you are saved through belief in Jesus...in order to keep the law?

I believe what SCRIPTURE SAYS,
that on JUDGMENT DAY many multitudes will be sent away even though
they claim on JUDGMENT DAY that they did "many things" religiously
and are SURPRISED to be sent away.

Likewise another multitude is welcomed, ALSO SURPRISED by what Y'SHUA tells them.

Both groups are SURPRISED.

Revelation is always good reading and a blessing for everyone seeking YHWH'S KINGDOM.

Oh, as to your question,
even the demons believe in Jesus.
They know absolutely HE IS THE MESSIAH.(but NOT their SAVIOR)
They shudder because they know the JUDGMENT that certainly awaits them.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So are you going to list the verse or not? Opinions are debated much more often then scripture.

No.
SCRIPTURE won't change because of any debate.
Opinions even of the Apostles are not to be accepted unless first confirmed by SCRIPTURE, as Y'SHUA and all of the Apostles taught.
Too often here, it is just ignored when posted and even when it is explained.
To know SCRIPTURE requires revelation from the FATHER in HEAVEN.
So I SEEK HIM, and I KEEP SEEKING HIM.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well...yes..the law of faith...
And there are some people that have faith and keep the law...but thats in their understanding......I believe if I keep the law of faith...which to me is trust in Christ for his finished works..yes I will be made right in that

Perhaps YHWH was KNOWING when HE made Y'SHUA the SALVATION, the WISDOM, and the experiential KNOWLEDGE, and the UNDERSTANDING,
for all whom HE CALLED AND CHOSE, and by HIS WILL FROM HEAVEN are born again, set apart BY HIM, to BE HIS BEGOTTEN ONES.

 

[corinth77777]

Perhaps YHWH was KNOWING when HE made Y'SHUA the SALVATION, the WISDOM, and the experiential KNOWLEDGE, and the UNDERSTANDING,
for all whom HE CALLED AND CHOSE, and by HIS WILL FROM HEAVEN are born again, set apart BY HIM, to BE HIS BEGOTTEN ONES.

If thats what you believe you should have let people know...its not difficult...understanding this that when Paul...discipled...He first met people where they were at...one goal of being set apart is to love...where is the love in these forums?..peace out....sounds like u got it..

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If thats what you believe you should have let people know...its not difficult...understanding this that when Paul...discipled...He first met people where they were at...one goal of being set apart is to love...where is the love in these forums?..peace out....sounds like u gor it..

Remember why Y'SHUA did not bring PEACE to every city/ town/ all the people everywhere ?
Same TODAY.

 

[corinth77777]

Withholding knowledge is not nice...either..if you know you can keep peace by telling the truth, with it...we are told to pursue peace for without it no man can see the kingdom...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

With holding knowledge is not nice...either..if you know you can keep peace with it...we are told to purse peace for without it no man can see the kingdom...

Y'SHUA withheld much, and HE said why, very simply in SCRIPTURE.

What exactly are you seeking ? (maybe pm me? )

Most things cannot be posted anywhere in the united states due to the same reasons Y'SHUA gave.

 

[corinth77777]

Many people seek him....some with the wrong paradigm.....but God is not the author of cofususion..but of peace

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Many people seek him....some with the wrong paradigm.....but God is not the author of cofususion..but of peace

Yes.
And one would think, when Y'SHUA(JESUS) was walking on earth,
people would be EXCITED BEYOND MEASURE to meet HIM,
but mostly they ignored HIM and even REJECTED HIM !
and because of UNBELIEF there were places HE HIMSELF could not do many miracles.
Everywhere you find ecclesia abiding in Y'SHUA, you will find peace and healing,
although also much persecution.