Is salvation conditional?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What they mean is..you are no longer under the law....if......If you are in Christ. THE LAW WAS A TUTOR...GUARDIAN UNTIL FAITH...
AND IF YOU SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS BASED ON WHAT YOU DO RATHER THAN BELIEVING IN Christ...you have fallen from the faith.

In a multitude of posts they write - [that I read this year]
no, that is not what they say.
And they never [have] post[ed] [T]hat they mean what YOU SAY, even when questioned SO FAR -
YOU are the first.
They DO contradict you, what you say and what you say you mean,
when they post : "If you obey one commandment, you must keep them all."
and when they post: "If you obey one commandment, YOU ARE CONDEMNED".

No one BESIDES YOU have said (in all I read of a multitude of their posts this year) "If you think you can be righteous by obeying one commandment" etc...

see ?

They also have frequently posted , WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, that the ones they are accusing
are trying to be made righteous by keeping the commandments of YHWH -
the very commandments Y'SHUA said "IF YOU LOVE ME, you will keep the commandments" (notice Y'SHUA DID NOT SAY "IF YOU LOVE ME, you will be made righteous by keeping the commandments" /
HE simply said 'you [disciples of Y'SHUA] keep the commandments , and the commandments are not hard to keep'.

 

[corinth77777]

In a multitude of posts they write -
no, that is not what they say.
And they never post what they mean what YOU SAY, even when questioned SO FAR -
YOU are the first.
They DO contradict you, what you say and what you say you mean,
when they post : "If you obey one commandment, you must keep them all."
and when they post: "If you obey one commandment, YOU ARE CONDEMNED".

No one BESIDES YOU have said (in all I read of a multitude of their posts this year) "If you think you can be righteous by obeying one commandment" etc...

see ?

They also have frequently posted , WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, that the ones they are accusing
are trying to be made righteous by keeping the commandments of YHWH -
the very commandments Y'SHUA said "IF YOU LOVE ME, you will keep the commandments" (notice Y'SHUA DID NOT SAY "IF YOU LOVE ME, you will be made righteous by keeping the commandments" /
HE simply said 'you [disciples of Y'SHUA] keep the commandments , and the commandments are not hard to keep'.

 

[thecolorsblend]

After accepting God's sacrifice, his son Jesus the Christ. And from there acquiring salvation from sin and destruction/hell, is it on the condition that you remain faithful to Jesus?

Obedience is mandatory. Otherwise we're left with a situation where we can affirm the faith on Sunday and commit immoral acts on Monday without consequence. Does one's personal behavior matter? I have to say that it does. By their fruits you shall know them. If someone professes the faith and habitually does things with prostitutes or something without repentance, they may have been in the faith at one point but their actions and lack of repentance indicate their disobedience. Since we know the sexually immoral do not inherit the Kingdom of God, how can anybody reasonably argue that our personal conduct isn't relevant to our salvation??

 

[ToBeLoved]

Obedience is mandatory. Otherwise we're left with a situation where we can affirm the faith on Sunday and commit immoral acts on Monday without consequence. Does one's personal behavior matter? I have to say that it does. By their fruits you shall know them. If someone professes the faith and habitually does things with prostitutes or something without repentance, they may have been in the faith at one point but their actions and lack of repentance indicate their disobedience. Since we know the sexually immoral do not inherit the Kingdom of God, how can anybody reasonably argue that our personal conduct isn't relevant to our salvation??

Last time I checked, you weren't God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="thecolorsblend, post: 70261692, member: 333839"]Obedience is mandatory. Otherwise we're left with a situation where we can affirm the faith on Sunday and commit immoral acts on Monday without consequence. Does one's personal behavior matter? I have to say that it does. By their fruits you shall know them. If someone professes the faith and habitually does things with prostitutes or something without repentance, they may have been in the faith at one point but their actions and lack of repentance indicate their disobedience. Since we know the sexually immoral do not inherit the Kingdom of God, how can anybody reasonably argue that our personal conduct isn't relevant to our salvation?? QUOTE

This is true, in line with all SCRIPTURE !

 

[thecolorsblend]

Last time I checked, you weren't God.

I don't recall claiming to be God. I should say that my having Hasselhoff ambitions doesn't make me a phony God. That being said, I don't think God minds my borderline unnecessary affection for 1980's Pontiac Trans-Ams.

Before you ask, my invoking the Hoff is no more and no less non-sequitur than you accusing me of claiming to be God.

 

[corinth77777]

QUOTE="thecolorsblend, post: 70261692, member: 333839"]Obedience is mandatory. Otherwise we're left with a situation where we can affirm the faith on Sunday and commit immoral acts on Monday without consequence. Does one's personal behavior matter? I have to say that it does. By their fruits you shall know them. If someone professes the faith and habitually does things with prostitutes or something without repentance, they may have been in the faith at one point but their actions and lack of repentance indicate their disobedience. Since we know the sexually immoral do not inherit the Kingdom of God, how can anybody reasonably argue that our personal conduct isn't relevant to our salvation?? QUOTE

This is true, in line with all SCRIPTURE !

Obedience to the law of works..under thw law? Or obedience to the faith.....in Christ

 

[ToBeLoved]

I don't recall claiming to be God. I should say that my having Hasselhoff ambitions doesn't make me a phony God. That being said, I don't think God minds my borderline unnecessary affection for 1980's Pontiac Trans-Ams.

Before you ask, my invoking the Hoff is no more and no less non-sequitur than you accusing me of claiming to be God.

You said

Obedience is mandatory. Otherwise we're left with a situation where we can affirm the faith on Sunday and commit immoral acts on Monday without consequence. Does one's personal behavior matter? I have to say that it does. By their fruits you shall know them. If someone professes the faith and habitually does things with prostitutes or something without repentance, they may have been in the faith at one point but their actions and lack of repentance indicate their disobedience. Since we know the sexually immoral do not inherit the Kingdom of God, how can anybody reasonably argue that our personal conduct isn't relevant to our salvation??

Seems you are re-defining what God says in favor of your own thinking. God's Word says, "My ways are not your ways". Faith has always been what we need to be saved.

Don't change God's Word based on your opinion.

Also, you do have some truth in that it is the fruit of the spirit that we are to look for in others. Sin is forgiven. Fruit is what we are to produce.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Obedience to the law of works..under thw law? Or obedience to the faith.....in Christ

WHO was Y'SHUA ALWAYS , without any error,
obedient to ?

 

[thecolorsblend]

Don't change God's Word based on your opinion.

Also, you do have some truth in that it is the fruit of the spirit that we are to look for in others. Sin is forgiven. Fruit is what we are to produce.

1 Corinthians 6 just by itself indicates that one's behavior and morality matter. Not sure why this is so troublesome.

 

[ToBeLoved]

1 Corinthians 6 just by itself indicates that one's behavior and morality matter. Not sure why this is so troublesome.

Sin does matter of course. But one does not loose their salvation because of sin. Jesus conquered sin on the cross.

So the point is not that to not sin is not important, but that sin cannot be the cause of loosing salvation.

God's gifts are irrevocable.

 

[corinth77777]

In a multitude of posts they write - [that I read this year]
no, that is not what they say.
And they never [have] post[ed] [T]hat they mean what YOU SAY, even when questioned SO FAR -
YOU are the first.
They DO contradict you, what you say and what you say you mean,
when they post : "If you obey one commandment, you must keep them all."
and when they post: "If you obey one commandment, YOU ARE CONDEMNED".

No one BESIDES YOU have said (in all I read of a multitude of their posts this year) "If you think you can be righteous by obeying one commandment" etc...

see ?

They also have frequently posted , WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, that the ones they are accusing
are trying to be made righteous by keeping the commandments of YHWH -
the very commandments Y'SHUA said "IF YOU LOVE ME, you will keep the commandments" (notice Y'SHUA DID NOT SAY "IF YOU LOVE ME, you will be made righteous by keeping the commandments" /
HE simply said 'you [disciples of Y'SHUA] keep the commandments , and the commandments are not hard to keep'.

Im not sure what you believe but if people are responding to you..a certain way I can only guess they believe you are following the law of works righteousness...which I must say I assumed too...That was a system under the old covenant...[contract,agreement] between God and Israel....

So...there are laws..or commands under the old agreement which the people agreed to follow..which we were never under...because the agreement was made with the physical Israel...and that system is no longer . for those in their day who came to faith......If the person who was part of the agreement dies the contract is void.

So now what are the laws and commands...under the New covenant..? everything that Jesus taught to observe. And one huge point was doing the will of the father...His fathers will is that everyone who looks to Jesus would have eternal life...and he would raise them up on the last day.

Looking too Jesus the author and finisher of our faith....Look at all he has done and do it.

The commands of Jesus ...Im searching to study in a minute to see if these are the spiritual commands...as The Law of Faith and the Law of Love...and I believe they are because the law of faith...teaches us to look to Jesus, believe in him...And the Law of Love teaches us to deny self as he did and seek the welfare of others.
These the law of faith and law of love are commands that cover all that Jesus taught. ...so..they exceed the 10 commandments....

The ignigma you are missing when understanding others thought on your out look is on How salvation should be sought...they believe you are seeking them under the old covenant....which would include the things they say to you and why they say them....
Instead of seeking salvation by Faith in Jesus thats inclusive of evidence[obedience].......For in seeking it this way your heart is cleanse in order to make the work truly a work that God has prepared before hand that we should do.

 

[corinth77777]

Im not sure what you believe but if people are responding to you..a certain way I can only guess they believe you are following the law of works righteousness...which I must say I assumed too...That was a system under the old covenant...[contract,agreement] between God and Israel....

So...there are laws..or commands under the old agreement which the people agreed to follow..which we were never under...because the agreement was made with the physical Israel...and that system is no longer . for those in their day who came to faith......If the person who was part of the agreement dies the contract is void.

So now what are the laws and commands...under the New covenant..? everything that Jesus taught to observe. And one huge point was doing the will of the father...His fathers will is that everyone who looks to Jesus would have eternal life...and he would raise them up on the last day.

Looking too Jesus the author and finisher of our faith....Look at all he has done and do it.

The commands of Jesus ...Im searching to study in a minute to see if these are the spiritual commands...as The Law of Faith and the Law of Love...and I believe they are because the law of faith...teaches us to look to Jesus, believe in him...And the Law of Love teaches us to deny self as he did and seek the welfare of others.
These the law of faith and law of love are commands that cover all that Jesus taught. ...so..they exceed the 10 commandments....

The ignigma you are missing when understanding others thought on your out look is on How salvation should be sought...they believe you are seeking them under the old covenant....which would include the things they say to you and why they say them....
Instead of seeking salvation by Faith in Jesus thats inclusive of evidence[obedience].......For in seeking it this way your heart is cleanse in order to make the work truly a work that God has prepared before hand that we should do.

This next thought is for me...smile
Salvation is Christ....and eternal life is Christ...........I think there is a passage that states lay hold of eternal life...going to find it.....therefore on earth I see now what Dallas Willard means....when he says on earth salvation and eternal life are qualities.
As the quality of life one has here.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Im not sure what you believe but if people are responding to you..a certain way I can only guess they believe you are following the law of works righteousness...which I must say I assumed too.

In this case, it doesn't matter what I believe.
As you admitted here, you assumed something not in evidence,
just as many others on the forum do and have in the past,
in their posts to others besides me.
My question to them each time is "show the evidence of what you post",
and so far no one has.(that I have seen, and I've been watching for an answer, passively usually(without any evidence, there's no continued discussion because there is no case to discuss) ).

 

[thecolorsblend]

Sin does matter of course. But one does not loose their salvation because of sin. Jesus conquered sin on the cross.

So the point is not that to not sin is not important, but that sin cannot be the cause of loosing salvation.

God's gifts are irrevocable.

But if someone professes the faith and then does everything St. Paul condemned in that 1 Corinthians passage I mentioned, it sure looks like their salvation is gone.

Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" to Our Lord will inherit the kingdom, but those who do the will of the Father.

 

[ToBeLoved]

But if someone professes the faith and then does everything St. Paul condemned in that 1 Corinthians passage I mentioned, it sure looks like their salvation is gone.

Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" to Our Lord will inherit the kingdom, but those who do the will of the Father.

First, Christ gives us His righteousness so does not the Father see His Son as righteous? The only way we could loose the imputed righteousness of Christ would be for God Himself to be condemned. Impossible.

Why don't you list out that entire verse because at the end it says Christ will say 'I NEVER knew you'

But Christ does know His Own who have been saved by His blood.

The ones in this verse never know God

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why don't you list out that entire verse

.... and the 4000 other 'verses' that are completely in HARMONY in YHWH,
and show that this one verse, and that one verse,
together with ALL THE VERSES,
many of them specific warnings,
show what to be afraid of. (YHWH SAYS)
i.e. it would take 20 pages of threads, posts, and more,
if not for simple revelation of TRUTH by YHWH to those who TRUST HIM and live according to HIS WORD relying on HIM every day. (begotten of HIM)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But if someone professes the faith and then does everything St. Paul condemned in that 1 Corinthians passage I mentioned, it sure looks like their salvation is gone.

Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" to Our Lord will inherit the kingdom, but those who do the will of the Father.

AMEIN to this post; HALLELUYAH !
The way you post is not the same as I'd ever have expected ...
I have no idea why, yet, but hope to find out in the future, privately not publicly,
YHWH WILLING.

 

[ToBeLoved]

.... and the 4000 other 'verses' that are completely in HARMONY in YHWH,
and show that this one verse, and that one verse,
together with ALL THE VERSES,
many of them specific warnings,
show what to be afraid of. (YHWH SAYS)
i.e. it would take 20 pages of threads, posts, and more,
if not for simple revelation of TRUTH by YHWH to those who TRUST HIM and live according to HIS WORD relying on HIM every day. (begotten of HIM)

I wasn't asking for 4,000 verses. I asked for one.

Is one too hard to list?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I wasn't asking for 4,000 verses. I asked for one.

Is one too hard to list?

Context. (i.e. devour SCRIPTURE; read it fervently in constant prayer, like the BEREANS, as the APOSTLES always did, as the answer is clear and clearly in SCRIPTURE)
Also, usually when a verse is quoted,
it is argued or debated instead of accepted as is.