Is Racism a Sin?

[Invalidusername]

Part of the implication of this thread is that we don't, actual, try our best: we do what we want to do to get what we want. Why else would there be racism when the Most High God has specific rules on how to treat "strangers". You can tell the quality of a nation based on how they treat their "lowest" citizens; you can't tell me "we" as humans "try our best" when we have starvation and obesity at the same time, people who can't afford four walls living in the same nation as people who own entire small towns of land. We aren't trying at all; we are repeating what we have always done.



Do you think the Most High God would consider it dramatic? Our ignorance is what has us in this position; we keep saying it isn't as bad as someone says it is until we reach the critical point - and then we want to run frantic and beg the Most High God to fix things. That is what children do, no? We aren't trying to understand our enemy, we debase the Law of God into precepts that we are comfortable with, and then we wonder why the world is going to literal hell (if our ignorance will even allow us to see our degeneracy)? The perpetuation of this claptrap makes it easy for the Enemy to overcome us: it doesn't have to work hard anymore.



Just because we can't be perfect doesn't mean we throw our hands up and accept things our Father told us to call out and rebuke. No one drop of water believes it will create a flood; our mentalities toward the Father, and humans in general needs to change if we want change.

I am not talking about TRUMP; however, Trump specifically claimed that he didn't have anything he needed to repent for. People certainly believe he was set up by the Most High God to be president - which he may have been! I actually believe it to be true, as well - except Trump is likely set up by the Most High God to judge. People forget one of the main reasons why the Most High God places someone in power - no matter who - is to judge nations. America has played the fool for too long.

I don't agree with your theology. The rules for Israel were for Israel. Not us.

However they do definitely give us a good guideline to follow.

Last, you are wrong about rebuking unbelievers. Unbelievers are enslaved to sin. They will sin and increase their sinning until the world ends. We are only to rebuke other believers who go astray. We are also to call out any apostates and expose them along with false teachers since they pose a threat to other believers.

 

[Invalidusername]

Are you claiming to have a perfect obedience?

 

[Kaon]

I don't agree with your theology. The rules for Israel were for Israel. Not us.

However they do definitely give us a good guideline to follow.

Did the Word of God - also know as Christ - ever say that the Law of the Most High God is inert, void, or only applied to a certain group of people? Did the Most High God ever say this?

When did the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself ever say that the Law of God was not to be followed by entities that strive to be sons of the Most High God?

Our dogma as humans means nothing to the Most High God. He will judge us according to His Law - that same Law that determine for us what is sin so that we can know when to repent.[/quote]

Last, you are wrong about rebuking unbelievers. Unbelievers are enslaved to sin. They will sin and increase their sinning until the world ends. We are only to rebuke other believers who go astray. We are also to call out any apostates and expose them along with false teachers since they pose a threat to other believers.

I didn't say anything about rebuking unbelievers: we are to rebuke sinners. This means we are supposed to rebuke people who would dare invoke the name of the Most High God but lead unrepentant sinful lives. Unbelievers are their own lot.

People who use the bible canon to imperialism and enslave others, for example, should be called out and rebuked. That is, unless you want something like that to evolve into a corporate larger imperialist entity of slavery. We repeat our mistakes because we ignore them, or pretend they aren't mistakes. Then, we wonder why we are judged as a nation and people.

 

[Invalidusername]

Did the Word of God - also know as Christ - ever say that the Law of the Most High God is inert, void, or only applied to a certain group of people? Did the Most High God ever say this?

When did the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself ever say that the Law of God was not to be followed by entities that strive to be sons of the Most High God?

Our dogma as humans means nothing to the Most High God. He will judge us according to His Law - that same Law that determine for us what is sin so that we can know when to repent.



I didn't say anything about rebuking unbelievers: we are to rebuke sinners. This means we are supposed to rebuke people who would dare invoke the name of the Most High God but lead unrepentant sinful lives. Unbelievers are their own lot.

People who use the bible canon to imperialism and enslave others, for example, should be called out and rebuked. That is, unless you want something like that to evolve into a corporate larger imperialist entity of slavery. We repeat our mistakes because we ignore them, or pretend they aren't mistakes. Then, we wonder why we are judged as a nation and people.

You might be right but I don't know how this pertains to this discussion.

Also I think we are judged as a nation right now but not for the same reason you think it is. Our sin is much more severe than a Twitter post telling someone to go back to their countries. Much more severe.

 

[Kaon]

You might be right but I don't know how this pertains to this discussion.

Fair enough.

Also I think we are judged as a nation right now but not for the same reason you think it is. Our sin is much more severe than a Twitter post telling someone to go back to their countries. Much more severe.

Of course America's sins are worse than tweets; we are doing the same atrocities as alluded to - just under different names. Liberating nations and giving them freedom is one of those "different names;" the prison industry is another.

We ignore the bad parts that make the nation and telegraph the blame from who deserves it, which is why America (and all nations eventually) will fall.

Trump is a stooge in all of it, just like all presidents and leaders. Trump is doing exactly what he is supposed to do - exploit us for his own political and financial gain. We are the ones who allow it by buying into the prejudices and ignorance that feeds our exploitation.

 

[Invalidusername]

Fair enough.



Of course America's sins are worse than tweets; we are doing the same atrocities as alluded to - just under different names. Liberating nations and giving them freedom is one of those "different names;" the prison industry is another.

We ignore the bad parts that make the nation and telegraph the blame from who deserves it, which is why America (and all nations eventually) will fall.

Trump is a stooge in all of it, just like all presidents and leaders. Trump is doing exactly what he is supposed to do - exploit us for his own political and financial gain. We are the ones who allow it by buying into the prejudices and ignorance that feeds our exploitation.

Well at least you dislike Trump for a valid reason(except for monetary gain, becoming a president when you're already a billionaire ain't gonna make you much).

 

[RDKirk]

Part of the implication of this thread is that we don't, actual, try our best: we do what we want to do to get what we want. Why else would there be racism when the Most High God has specific rules on how to treat "strangers". You can tell the quality of a nation based on how they treat their "lowest" citizens; you can't tell me "we" as humans "try our best" when we have starvation and obesity at the same time, people who can't afford four walls living in the same nation as people who own entire small towns of land. We aren't trying at all; we are repeating what we have always done.

That this is true in the nations of the world is only what scripture tells us will be the case.

The shame is that it's also true within the Body of Christ.

 

[Kaon]

Well at least you dislike Trump for a valid reason(except for monetary gain, becoming a president when you're already a billionaire ain't gonna make you much).

Yes, I am critical of Trump, and I think he is incorrigible.

However, we are in a system that rewards such behavior; he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do to prosper in that system. He is wise as a serpent and gentle as a dragon.

We are supposed to be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove; we are neither wise nor gentle - because we attack each other believing it will solve the systems that subjugate all of us.

 

[Invalidusername]

Yes, I am critical of Trump, and I think he is incorrigible.

However, we are in a system that rewards such behavior; he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do to prosper in that system. He is wise as a serpent and gentle as a dragon.

We are supposed to be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove; we are neither wise nor gentle - because we attack each other believing it will solve the systems that subjugate all of us.

Well Trump isn't a believer so I think it's foolish to hold him to that standard. He can't even pronounce "two" Corinthians correctly.

This system that subjugated us is the one that God commands us to submit to. Are you going to obey God?

 

[childeye 2]

He never said that. he said "go back and fix the messed up country you're from then come back and show us how it's done! That isn't welcoming her back as our equal, that's putting her in a position of being our teacher! That isn't racism.
Why do so many people have a hard time getting it right? Either you misrepresent what he says, or you take a tiny bit of what he says out of context and call it racism; is it because if you addressed what he actually said you wouldn't get to call it racist? Is calling someone a racist that important to you? tsk tsk.

The definitions I am using from Merriam/Webster:
Race:
noun (2)
Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3)

1 : a breeding stock of animals
2a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

racism
noun
rac·ism | \ ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- \
Definition of racism


1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Race:
a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
Racism:
racial prejudice or discrimination

Trump's words:
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly...… and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.

The forthright conclusion:
It's wrong to discriminate (draw a distinction) against people, based on the country of their origin. That's classic racism.

 

[Kaon]

Well Trump isn't a believer so I think it's foolish to hold him to that standard. He can't even pronounce "two" Corinthians correctly.

This system that subjugated us is the one that God commands us to submit to. Are you going to obey God?

The Most High God never told us to have humans for rulers; He told us that He would be our King and God. We rejected Him, so He left us to the world. That is different than saying He wants us to submit to authority.

What He wants us to do is obey Him first. Nations rise and fall; [the Word of] God is forever. And, you have to know what His Law is in order to obey Him - not dogma. As a matter of fact, show one place where the Word of God Himself (or the Most High God) actually says that we are to submit to any authority but Him. Not a human; where did either of these Arbiters of the Law say we are to submit to any authority save Him.

Romans 13 is an example of how a biblical passage/book/verse has been weaponized to subjugate people.

 

[Invalidusername]

The Most High God never told us to have humans for rulers; He told us that He would be our King and God. We rejected Him, so He left us to the world. That is different than saying He wants us to submit to authority.

What He wants us to do is obey Him first. Nations rise and fall; [the Word of] God is forever. And, you have to know what His Law is in order to obey Him - not dogma. As a matter of fact, show one place where the Word of God Himself (or the Most High God) actually says that we are to submit to any authority but Him. Not a human; where did either of these Arbiters of the Law say we are to submit to any authority save Him.

Romans 13 is an example of how a biblical passage/book/verse has been weaponized to subjugate people.

I'm sorry but you're wrong.

 

[Kaon]

I'm sorry but you're wrong.

Well, show me where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself actually tells us we should submit to any authority other than Him. Something that serious should be backed up by Him/His Word/[The Word of] God Himself.

 

[Ken-1122]

The definitions I am using from Merriam/Webster:
Race:
noun (2)
Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3)

1 : a breeding stock of animals
2a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

racism
noun
rac·ism | \ ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- \
Definition of racism


1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Race:
a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
Racism:
racial prejudice or discrimination

Trump's words:
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly...… and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.

The forthright conclusion:
It's wrong to discriminate (draw a distinction) against people, based on the country of their origin. That's classic racism.

Which definition of racism does it fall under?

 

[childeye 2]

Which definition of racism does it fall under?

I underlined these definitions of race and racism and highlighted them in bold from the Merriam-Webster dictionary and then reiterated them word for word like this:
Race:
a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
Racism:
racial prejudice or discrimination

 

[Invalidusername]

Well, show me where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself actually tells us we should submit to any authority other than Him. Something that serious should be backed up by Him/His Word/[The Word of] God Himself.

I already did.

 

[RDKirk]

Well Trump isn't a believer so I think it's foolish to hold him to that standard. He can't even pronounce "two" Corinthians correctly.

This system that subjugated us is the one that God commands us to submit to. Are you going to obey God?

I'm not sure of what you're saying here.

There is another correspondent in this thread who asserts that Christians are bound by Romans 13 to do everything permitted by the king--explicitly, he argues that for instance, Christians in American are obligated to support abortions and same-sex marriages because they are legal.

Is that what you mean?

 

[Kaon]

I already did.

Where? I honestly never saw it.

What verse did the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself actually tells us we should submit to any authority other than Him. Something that serious should be backed up by Him/His Word/[The Word of] God Himself.

 

[Invalidusername]

I'm not sure of what you're saying here.

There is another correspondent in this thread who asserts that Christians are bound by Romans 13 to do everything permitted by the king--explicitly, he argues that for instance, Christians in American are obligated to support abortions and same-sex marriages because they are legal.

Is that what you mean?

Read my other posts and you will know what I mean. I already addressed that question.

 

[Strathos]

Post 181 and 203 I was talking about two different things.

Please clarify then.

He didn’t tell those people to go back to their country, he told them to go back to their country, fix it; then come back and show us how it is done. That is what he said; until you are willing to discuss what he actually said, you are not having a fair discussion.

Why does that make a difference? Do you actually believe that that was a realistic suggestion, not just an attack?

I didn’t address who has it worse, I simply pointed out when minorities are mistreated, they make more noise than when the majority are mistreated. Do you agree? Or do I need to provide some examples.

If you accept that some groups statistically are treated worse than others, that's all I needed for you to acknowledge.

In neither of the two statements are the people expected to do as told.

So the crowd chanting 'send her back' didn't actually want that to happen?

There are plenty of hispanics who are negroid and caucasoid as well; wanna know why? Because Hispanics is a culture, not a race. Know the difference?

As both are social constructs, there is no objective difference, just a difference defined by society. That's my entire point.

Because it doesn’t insult race, it insults immigration status.

Against 4 US citizens, 3 of whom were born in the US. Do you think it's just a coincidence that they are all minorities? Why didn't he ever tell Hillary Clinton, his biggest political enemy, to 'go back and fix the UK'?

How about if the white person is unaware the brown person is immigrant, but makes the assumption based on something else other than skin color? Is that racist?

What does he make the assumption based on? And there's no real way to know if the intention is racist without reading the person's mind, but it's certainly possible for a tone-deaf statement to come off as being racist.

I have never heard of anyone telling a man to get back into the kitchen. But there has been plenty of cases of white people being told to go back to where you came from; thus your analogy does not apply

You've never heard of a lot of things, apparently. That doesn't mean they don't exist.