Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[Benedicta00]

Wow there is even more.. If you do not have a proper devotion to Mary you have every reason to fear that you will be damned.. Now this is so unscriptual that it sickens me..

it's speculation, not a doctrine of the Church- it's the opinion of some saints, so go ahead and be sick if you wish, just lean over to the side if you have to throw up.

 

[IamAdopted]

aye, because the Holy Ghost searches us and whatever is lacking Jesus prays for us.

Isn't God just the most Awesome? He does it all for us.. Jesus is our Most precious gift.. He is my everything...

 

[Benedicta00]

you must have a strange misunderstanding of how my church operates, if you have a picture of a screaming, hopping, pastor.

That aside, when a protestant states "we have victory" we are not claiming that we won the victory. We contributed exactly nothing to the victory. In fact, we are the sole reason there needed to be a victory over death in the first place.

BINGO.

 

[Benedicta00]

aye, because the Holy Ghost searches us and whatever is lacking Jesus prays for us.

the bible does not say that Jesus prays for what's lacking.

 

[Benedicta00]

Per the OP:

You have to understand the difference between congruous merit and condign merit.

Your talking over the head now...

 

[IamAdopted]

The Blessed Virgin Mary

Spiritual writers list several signs by which a person can judge whether he is likely to be saved, that is, go to heaven. Those same writers also list the signs that show the great danger of being damned. All agree on one sign for both eventualities, and that is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Those who have a proper devotion to Mary have a good reason to believe that they will go to heaven. On the contrary, those who have no proper devotion to Mary have every reason to fear that they will be damned.
Those who need Mary’s assistance the most are those who generally do not have that devotion. We shall tell you a true event to make this point clear.
A Catholic lady visited her Protestant neighbor lady, and during the visit she noticed a picture of the Blessed Virgin on the wall of house of that Protestant lady. The Catholic lady exclaimed: “Oh, I always thought that you Protestants did not honor the Blessed Virgin, Mary, and here you have her picture on your wall.” The Protestant lady took a good look at the picture and said: “Oh my, I never knew that it was a picture of Mary. I thought that it was a picture of an angel. You can have it.” And the Catholic lady went home with another beautiful picture of the Blessed Virgin to decorate another wall in her Catholic home.

Obviously, devotion is both internal and external, and the external is quite useless unless it is united with ones internal prayer-life. Especially in these troubled times, every Catholic should be saying the Rosary daily. They should also be wearing the Brown Scapular. Every worthwhile life is developed around firm habits or good methods of doing ones duties to God, himself and his fellowmen. A hit and miss life in the natural and supernatural order is doomed to miserable failure. Consider God saying (Apocalypse 3, 16) to a soul long before death:

[SIZE=-1]“But because thou art lukewarm and neither cold not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.” [/SIZE]​

This is taken from here.​

http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/car-200201.htm​

This was the Leader of your Church's statement.. Not one of a saint.​

 

[Uphill Battle]

BINGO.

that is NOT what the passage in question states.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

This is taken from here.
http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/car-200201.htm

This was the Leader of your Church's statement.. Not one of a saint.
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IAA, I just have to say that I too am sickened. That is so un-biblical. I wish that Mary were here today and could see and hear and read what people are doing. I am 100% certain that she would not want any of this. She was a special person but not one to venerate. She would not want all of this attention. I can't believe people actually believe this stuff. It's absurd. In my humble opinion. By the way, it's no one's business what denomination IAA is. Just for the record. I mean really it shouldn't matter.

P.S. I guess I am damned then. Because I have no devotion to Mary whatsoever. Hmmm, guess I'm destined for warmer climates,

 

[HisKid1973]

Wow some of this stuff is "out there"

 

[Benedicta00]

Hmmmm. I wonder.





I don't think so. But thanks anyway.



Dude, I got that definintion straight out of my dictionary. Are you going to argue with Webster? I didn't just pull it out of thin air. I looked it up to make sure I knew what it meant before I posted, thank you very much.





Why is that? Because I disagree with you? Wow, now that's rude. Just because you have your beliefs do not make them right.




No, actually I have done extensive research in the C.C. I at one time considered being Catholic, so I read up on your beliefs. I know all about what the C.C. teaches. Thank you *snaps fingers in air*



Sorry, but I think you have misjudged me. I only use my Bible as reference. Do me a favor though. Point out one Biblical reference to...let's take Purgatory for example. Give me one Biblical truth that backs up that idea and maybe I'll consider your point of view.



I'm not trying to. If you want to be Catholic, why should I care? What business is it of mine? And again, I did extensive reading into Catholicism. I know all about your beliefs.

So you think I worship Mary... interesting.

You know something that I surly don't and since my word and assurance means nothing, it's all about what you think... I'll just shake the dust.

 

[Iollain]

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.


Hbr 7:24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.


Hbr 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


Hbr 7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;


Hbr 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.


Hbr 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

 

[Iollain]

Isn't God just the most Awesome? He does it all for us.. Jesus is our Most precious gift.. He is my everything...

Totally Awesome.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

So you think I worship Mary... interesting.

You know something that I surly don't and since my word and assurance means nothing, it's all about what you think... I'll just shake the dust.

Okay. *Shrugs*

 

[Benedicta00]

This is taken from here.​

http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/car-200201.htm​

This was the Leader of your Church's statement.. Not one of a saint.​

It all devotional material.

BrightCandle,

We do not teach any of this as a matter of dogma or even doctrine- comprehend? and I don't know what pope, if it's pious or JP2 they will be saints soon.

 

[Uphill Battle]

It all devotional material.

BrightCandle,

We do not teach any of this as a matter of dogma or even doctrine- comprehend? and I don't know what pope, if it's pious or JP2 they will be saints soon.

yes, comprehended.

SHOULD devotional material contain this though?

those who have no proper devotion to Mary have every reason to fear that they will be damned.


What if my devotional material (not dogma of my church, of course) included statments that all RCC are in danger of being damned? Would that be acceptable to you?!?

 

[Benedicta00]

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.


Hbr 7:24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.


Hbr 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


Hbr 7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;


Hbr 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.


Hbr 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

umm Jesus offers himself as our sin atonement- where does this say that he intercedes and asks for the things we lack?

 

[Benedicta00]

yes, comprehended.

SHOULD devotional material contain this though?

those who have no proper devotion to Mary have every reason to fear that they will be damned.


What if my devotional material (not dogma of my church, of course) included statments that all RCC are in danger of being damned? Would that be acceptable to you?!?

is this JP2 because it sounds like it is.

What he is saying is that there are, in the end who is the elect and who is the reprobate. In his opinion based off of De montfort's opinion, he is saying that a good sign that we are one of the elect is we will have a devotion to Mary.

i agree but it's just an opinion. I see those who utterly hate her, in danger- yes i do think that- but it's my opinion just like Pat Robinson thinks God gave what's his name the Jewish prime minister cancer.

 

[Iollain]

umm Jesus offers himself as our sin atonement- where does this say that he intercedes and asks for the things we lack?

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

oh yes He does

 

[Benedicta00]

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

oh yes He does

I don't disagree.. i just wanted to know where the bible say Jesus does that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by QuantaCura
Per the OP:

You have to understand the difference between congruous merit and condign merit.

God is the ultimate source of all holiness--the codign source. Mary, through her participation in the work of our redemption and then through her constant intercession for the Church, she obtains for us the grace we need for holiness (that has been merited in a condign manner by her Son) and is therefore the source in a congruous manner.

(I hope I got the two terms correct--sometimes I get them backwards :o

Redemption:

(Young) Revelation 5:9 and they sing a new song, saying, `Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because Thou wast slaughtered, and didst Redeem Us to God in Thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,