Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[WarriorAngel]

I just went to OBOB...just out of curiosity to read some of the stuff in there. Trying to be 'open' minded...and oh my Lord. Protestants are called 'stinky poo poo'...uneducated...and a few nice other names. AND this was from people supposedly praying for us. I would prefer them to NOT pray for me if that is how they REALLY feel. And why wouldn't it be how they really feel? They are in their own forum, so they can be as candid as they want...and they sure were. IF I was even thinking of searching out truths in the catholic denomination....reading throught OBOB..just TOTALLY turned me off and I am not any more interested. I came away really sad that that is how catholics really think and feel. And they come across here like we are the 'bad' ones, just cause we don't believe all their doctrine. I am honestly and truly really sad by what I read in there.

What is upsetting to many Catholics are the harsh sentiments regarding the Mother of our Lord.

WE look upon Mary as highly favored. Just as we would not ridicule, nor denigrate Moses, John, Peter, John the Baptist.
We do not comprehend how Mary the Mother and essense of all virtue is held in such a seemingly low regard with our Protestant brethren.

She reads our hearts...how sad it seems that ppl do not treat her with favor as Christ did and naturally still DOES.

This is the second time you said 'you wouldnt look into Catholicism' because of X, Y, Z...

If the Spirit is compelling you to research the Church, then that is a decision between yourself and the One calling you to do so. We should not deny the Spirit.[On the premice of your posts and not an assumption on my behalf]

But I will say this, I think nothing very badly about the ppl in GT, but the anti Mary puts me off.

So perhaps there is a 'tie' here.

 

[PaulAckermann]

now who is being silly?? You can stop anytime.

I do not think it is silly to ask what is minor. What is minor to you can very important to me.

Is predestination vs free will minor? George Whitfield taught that God chose some to turn to Christ and be saved, while God chose others to reject Christ and go to hell. John Wesley taught that God desires all men to come to Christ, and that we each have a free will to accept or reject Christ. John Wesley said to Whitfield "Your God is my Devil". It does not sound that this was a minor thing. And yet today we have some denominations who teach that God predestine some to Hell and other denominations that man has a free will to turn to Christ.

I myself do not think this is a minor thing.

 

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[rnmomof7]

Who determines what "affects salvation"?

The one that saves us with His grace and mercy.

 

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[WarriorAngel]

Would you say since she is gifted with reading men's hearts..that she was given a gift not ever mentioned for anyone else anywhere in scriptures?
AND wouldnt you agree that the scriptures tel us only God can read hearts?
SO conclusively we know that Mary has been given full Graces and an ability of Grace from God to read hearts.

WHY would she be bestowed such a gift?

Unless she is to be our friend and read our hearts and help us when we call upon her?
WHY else would she have this gift if God didnt want her to have it?

The Catholic Church knows she was imparted this gift so she could discern our prayers to her to interceed on our behalf...because God has exalted Her above all His other creatures.


NO comment.

Everything I said was purely from scriptures.
Do you disagree?
And let me further show you.

The humble will be exalted.
When God says 'will be exalted' He refers to our Life in His kingdom. For we know the humble do not live exalted lives, or they would not be humble.

Furthermore, scriptures tell us she will read hearts.

Do you have a seperate understanding than the ancient Church on this?

That is the road of salvation yes. BUT, say a person accepts the Lord...and wala before he can get baptized gets killed. Is he out of heaven cause he didn't get baptized??

Well, since I do not know anyone's judgement....I will use the teachings of scriptures and the early Christians to say that anyone not baptized cannot share in the Kingdom.

Otherwise, it is not my choice, but what has been written. And I am not in the judging department. BUT unless we are baptized, we cannot share in Christ's death.

Peace.

 

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[FrauleinElsa]

Well, being FULL of GRACE means she did know.
What is the fullness of Grace?

What does the Spirit impart to us that fills us with His Presense?
Knowledge, Piety, Wisdom, Fear of the Lord...to name a few.
So we know she had knowledge, and Wisdom.

She may have not known what Simon meant when she would be pierced with a sword in Her heart, and that she would read many hearts.

Perhaps He foretold Her Heavenly presense to do these things.

Would you say since she is gifted with reading men's hearts..that she was given a gift not ever mentioned for anyone else anywhere in scriptures?
AND wouldnt you agree that the scriptures tel us only God can read hearts?
SO conclusively we know that Mary has been given full Graces and an ability of Grace from God to read hearts.

WHY would she be bestowed such a gift?

Unless she is to be our friend and read our hearts and help us when we call upon her?
WHY else would she have this gift if God didnt want her to have it?

The Catholic Church knows she was imparted this gift so she could discern our prayers to her to interceed on our behalf...because God has exalted Her above all His other creatures.




Peace to you then.

You too.

 

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