How will every eye across the globe see that? Only the Apostles in the exact vicinity were able to see Him ascend, so, how will a person on the ground, in a forest In Japan, for example, be able to witness with his eyes His physical physical feet touch down upon the mount of Olives in Jerusalem?
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
John, an eyewitness to the resurrected flesh body of Jesus, here testifies infallibly that it had not been revealed to him what Jesus presently, in Heaven, looks like. This indicates plainly that some sort of appreciable change to His physical appearance happened at or after the ascension, otherwise, John would not have said so.
You said:Later, John was brought to heaven and witnessed Jesus Looking like this:
Revelation 5:6
And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
So here again we have the apostle infallibly testifying that, In heaven, Jesus has taken the non-human form of a Lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes.... Unquestionably different physical features than he had when He ascended.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
If He is currently in the flesh, does that mean every time two or three are gathered in His name, He appears in the flesh in their midst??
He rose to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) and yet He is confined to a finite human body (1 John 4:1-3). This tells me that He is Omnipresent in the form of His Spirit; but as the second Person of the Trinity He is there only in the flesh.Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
If He is currently in the flesh, does that mean every time two or three are gathered in His name, He appears in the flesh in their midst??
The context is behavior. For everyone who has this hope purifies himself. So I believe 1 John 3:2 is talking about how we will see Jesus as He is in the way that He acts, speaks, and behaves. For we will be like Him in the sense that our attitude will be similar (i.e. Holy).
The context is behavior. For everyone who has this hope purifies himself. So I believe 1 John 3:2 is talking about how we will see Jesus as He is in the way that He acts, speaks, and behaves. For we will be like Him in the sense that our attitude will be similar (i.e. Holy).
I believe this is a symbolic representation of Jesus and it is not a picture of what He is actually looking like in Heaven.
Paul makes too clear a point that our own hope of material resurrection hangs on being of the same kind as Jesus' resurrection. His material resurrection is proof of our material resurrection.
Remember that Paul's audience already believed in an afterlife--but as disembodied spirits wandering Hades, not a resurrection to a meaningful and satisfying material life. Paul had to make it clear that he was talking about a material resurrection, not existing--as they already believed--in Hades as ghosts. Jesus' material resurrection was the basis of that hope.
So you believe the phrase "we shall see Him as He is" has no visual or optical component?
You said:Or is it that He underwent some sort of "attitude adjustment" at the ascension and upon the return will act and behave in a way completely foreign and unknown to the Apostles who witnessed His resurrected Body?
I remember seeing an astronaut's foot touch the surface of the moon.
Mirrors. Television. God doing woo-woo things with light.
So he ascended to heaven, the spiritual realm, took a seat on the right hand of the Father (a Spirit) and yet is still in the flesh?Yes. He is flesh. When he appear to his disciples he allow them to touch him and he was flesh. Until now 2000 years nothing changed.
Side Note:
Those who missed on the Rapture and who will be martyred for their faith will go through the Millennium. So they will only have a physical flesh and blood bodily resurrection so as to go through the Millennium (or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).
In Acts 9:3-4, we have this account: “As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’” This was definitely Jesus.
In v. 17, we are told that this was “…the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came…” Here was a post-ascension appearance by Jesus in which there is no mention of a “bodily” appearance. The only physical manifestations mentioned were a bright “light from heaven” and a voice. Remember that those who were with him were not blinded and it is said they witnessed the appearance of Christ as a “light” (Acts 22:9).
If Jesus had a physical, corporeal body which He will inhabit when He comes a second time, why did He not reveal Himself with this to Paul on the road to Damascus? Was He saving His physical body for later? Or, could it be that His physical body had been changed into its glorious essence by this time?
Then we have the clincher:
2 Corinthians 5:16
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh,yet now we know Him thus no longer.
So he ascended to heaven, the spiritual realm, took a seat on the right hand of the Father (a Spirit) and yet is still in the flesh?
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