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Featured is Jesus still flesh?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by DamianWarS, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    I remember seeing an astronaut's foot touch the surface of the moon.

    Mirrors. Television. God doing woo-woo things with light.
     
  2. Jason0047

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    The context is behavior. For everyone who has this hope purifies himself. So I believe 1 John 3:2 is talking about how we will see Jesus as He is in the way that He acts, speaks, and behaves. For we will be like Him in the sense that our attitude will be similar (i.e. Holy).

    I believe this is a symbolic representation of Jesus and it is not a picture of what He is actually looking like in Heaven.
     
  3. RDKirk

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    First, while I believe Jesus, God Incarnate, is still incarnate, being in Heaven would put Him into direct and continuous contact with the Father and the Holy Spirit--directly "jacked in" you might say, and sharing certain of Their characteristics.

    Thus, to continue the analogy, He is "virtually" with each of us within the Holy Spirit while physically being in Heaven, as He is also within the Father.
     
  4. parousia70

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    Then we have the accounts of the Transfiguration:

    Matthew 17:1-2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.

    All agree this was a prefiguration of Jesus' Glorified form, yet it is wholly different from ANY eyewitness account of His post-crucifixion, pre-ascension resurrected Body.

    It had yet to undergo "some" appreciable change prior to the ascension, that the Transfiguration pre figured.
     
  5. justbyfaith

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    He rose to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) and yet He is confined to a finite human body (1 John 4:1-3). This tells me that He is Omnipresent in the form of His Spirit; but as the second Person of the Trinity He is there only in the flesh.
     
  6. parousia70

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    So you believe the phrase "we shall see Him as He is" has no visual or optical component?

    Or is it that He underwent some sort of "attitude adjustment" at the ascension and upon the return will act and behave in a way completely foreign and unknown to the Apostles who witnessed His resurrected Body?
     
  7. RDKirk

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    Paul makes too clear a point that our own hope of material resurrection hangs on being of the same kind as Jesus' resurrection. His material resurrection is proof of our material resurrection.

    Remember that Paul's audience already believed in an afterlife--but as disembodied spirits wandering Hades, not a resurrection to a meaningful and satisfying material life. Paul had to make it clear that he was talking about a material resurrection, not existing--as they already believed--in Hades as ghosts. Jesus' material resurrection was the basis of that hope.
     
  8. PaulCyp1

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    Yes. He rose into Heaven, body and soul, in front of several eye witnesses.
     
  9. Jason0047

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    Yes, I believe we will have one day a physical flesh and blood body that Jesus has (and not an altered new glorified body). We have to have the same flesh Jesus had in order to be resurrected. In a way, we will be Jews because Jesus is a Jew and we will be resurrected after His likeness (or DNA).

    But I believe we will first receive a spiritual immortal body in the Pre-Trib Rapture that is of the nature of angels. After that, then comes the physical flesh and blood bodily resurrection after the Millennium.

    Side Note:

    Those who missed on the Rapture and who will be martyred for their faith will go through the Millennium. So they will only have a physical flesh and blood bodily resurrection so as to go through the Millennium (or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).
     
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  10. Jason0047

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    It is a visual or optical component because we will see Him as He is in the way that He behaves, speaks, etc. In other words, we will see how loving Christ will be in person. We will visually witness Christ being loving in Heaven. For behavior is the context being spoken of here. In 2 Corinthians 5:16, Paul says we will no longer regard Christ after the flesh.

    The problem that you run into is that the text says, "we shall be like Him."
    This means in the Rapture (according to your view), we would have to take on a physical body like Him. But that is not possible because the rest of the dead (us) will not live again until the thousand years is finished.

    I believe in a:

    1. A New Spiritual Body Type Resurrection
    (with us taking on the body of angels). For Jesus says we will be as the angels of God in heaven and will not be given into marriage there. In John chapter 1, it says we are given power to become sons of God. Sons of God is a reference to angels in the Old Testament.

    2. A New Physical Flesh and Blood Resurrection
    (after the likeness of Jesus's body that He had during His ministry)
    After the 1,000 year reign of Christ is over, those Christians who are Raptured will then receive their new physical flesh and blood bodies and live and reign with Christ for all eternity in New Jerusalem on the New Earth.

    Side Note:

    Those who missed on the Rapture and who will be martyred for their faith will go through the Millennium. So they will only have a physical flesh and blood bodily resurrection so as to go through the Millennium (or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).
     
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  11. Jason0047

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    He that is last is first, and he that is first is last (Matthew 20:16).
    In other words, those who are first in the fact that they are taken up in the Pre-Trib Rapture will be resurrected bodily last at the end of the Millennium; And those who are last (Those believers at the end of the Tribulation and are martyred) are resurrected bodily first to go through the Millennium.

    Yet, everyone gets the same gift (reward) of receiving a new physical flesh and blood body so as to reign with Christ for eternity.
     
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  12. JerseyChristianSuperstar

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    Jesus is truly God and truly Man, and He does have a human body in Heaven, if that is what you're asking.

    :clap:
     
  13. parousia70

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    In Acts 9:3-4, we have this account: “As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’” This was definitely Jesus.

    In v. 17, we are told that this was “…the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came…” Here was a post-ascension appearance by Jesus in which there is no mention of a “bodily” appearance. The only physical manifestations mentioned were a bright “light from heaven” and a voice. Remember that those who were with him were not blinded and it is said they witnessed the appearance of Christ as a “light” (Acts 22:9).

    If Jesus had a physical, corporeal body which He will inhabit when He comes a second time, why did He not reveal Himself with this to Paul on the road to Damascus? Was He saving His physical body for later? Or, could it be that His physical body had been changed into its glorious essence by this time?


    Then we have the clincher:

    2 Corinthians 5:16
    16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh,yet now we know Him thus no longer.
     
  14. JoeP222w

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    Yes, He is in His glorified body.
     
  15. JoeP222w

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    Jesus never had corruptible flesh.
     
  16. parousia70

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    You were clearly fortunate enough to be among the Minority of Human beings on earth who had access to a television at that time.

    Which still does not answer for "every eye shall see".
     
  17. Ken Rank

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    So he ascended to heaven, the spiritual realm, took a seat on the right hand of the Father (a Spirit) and yet is still in the flesh?

    I rather think he can take physical form when he needs to, or can exist in the spiritual realm. If you are one who believes that we die and go to heaven, then you must also think the dead are still in the flesh as well?
     
  18. parousia70

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    Interesting... so you believe these people will be raised from the dead back into a mortal flesh and blood body exactly like before they died? One that can die physically again? Not unlike Lazarus?
     
  19. RDKirk

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    Paul does not assert that his seeing Jesus was necessarily in the flesh.

    He does assert, however, that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh, and that we will be resurrected in the same kind of flesh.
     
  20. RDKirk

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    Why are you talking about "taking a seat" if you don't think He's in the flesh?
     
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