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Featured is Jesus still flesh?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by DamianWarS, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    I suppose it was carried away to wherever Jesus went to
     
  2. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    I don't know... I haven't been resurrected... nor will I be crucified for the sins of the world.
     
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  3. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Well, if all you can offer is supposition, one wonders why you would, in turn, demand anything more from the rest of us.
     
  4. RDKirk

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    But did Jesus have the power to maintain a state of non-corruption? We know that Jesus reversed the corruption in the cells of Lazarus and others. He reversed the corruption of leprosy in the cells of others.

    If it could have been the will of the Father, couldn't Jesus have maintained a state of non-corruption in the cells of His own body?
     
  5. RDKirk

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    You're presuming heaven is a non-physical place. I'm not sure that can be gained from scripture. Heaven is a created realm, from what Revelation says of it.
     
  6. Childofgodharrison

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    In this scripture it talks about putting on our heavenly bodies. So if we will have heavenly bodies then we know that Jesus is in a heavenly body.
    2 Cor: 5:1-5
    5 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, we may not be found naked. may be swallowed up by life. who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
     
  7. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    You asked for my supposition, and this is the language I'm replying to and I don't recall demanding anything. Attacking semantics is not very dignified and forces me to question your character. You are free to believe as you wish, the content is ambiguous and we can only really grasp the broad stokes with what is biblically revealed.
     
  8. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    You are confusing the intermediate state with the final state.

    2 Corinthians 5 is not talking about the final state, but the intermediate state, what happens between death and resurrection. You stop at verse 5, but you should have kept reading:

    "So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Corinthians 5:6-8

    Between death and resurrection we will be in the presence of the Lord. That is what Paul is talking about here.

    But at the resurrection we shall be raised up, bodily, and incorruptible and immortal--even as the Lord was raised.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  9. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Are you now saying there is not a definitive, biblical answer to your OP?
     
  10. parousia70

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    Retaining all wounds we may receive in death— even as the Lord was raised?
     
  11. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    The big highlight of Jesus' resurrection isn't that He still had His wounds, it was that He was raised from the dead.

    I suspect that, no, in the resurrection we won't retain scars and wounds. That doesn't change the fact that we will be raised up just as the Lord was.

    If you have a problem with me saying that we will be resurrected even as the Lord was, then you should probably take your issue up with the Apostles, the ancient fathers, the Creeds, and two thousand years of Christian teaching.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  12. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    I'm not sure what your angle is here. The OP has run its course yet you remain setting semantic traps. I'm happy to continue discussion but these remarks are not productive to that goal.
     
  13. Childofgodharrison

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    Long as we are on the earth we are in a flesh body. But we are not able to enter heaven in a flesh body. These body get sick and grow old. In heaven our bodies will not get sick or grow old.
    So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Corinthians 5:6-8
    This verse means at home in the body we are away from the lord but would rather be away from the body and at home with the lord. Leaving this fleshly body behind.
     
  14. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    You are confused. Our hope isn't to spend eternity in "heaven", but to be resurrected on the Last Day and have everlasting life in the Age to Come, right here on planet earth. Isaiah 65:17-25, Revelation 21:1-4, Romans 8:18-25 , Psalm 102:25-26.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  15. Childofgodharrison

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    You are talking about the new earth. Rev:21:21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
    That is at the last day. What kind of body will you have if you die before the last day? The soul does not die, it will still be alive somewhere.
     
  16. RDKirk

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    Or elsewhere--everywhere--in the created universe. Lots of territory to explore for eternity.
     
  17. FireDragon76

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    Angels have bodies, however they are subtle and not made of the same stuff.
     
  18. jesus316

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    I doubt anyone has flesh when in heaven. A resurrected being (such as Jesus now is) will take on flesh (resurrected flesh) when appearing on earth (as he did during the 40 days after this resurrection) and cast off the flesh (resurrected flesh) when going back to heaven. When Jesus comes again to earth at his second coming, he will have flesh (resurrected flesh) again. When in heaven, believers will not have flesh. But once in the new heavens and new earth, we will have flesh (resurrected flesh).
     
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