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Featured is Jesus still flesh?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by DamianWarS, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    God is Omnipresent. Jesus has the ability to live in the hearts of believers and He has the capacity to dwell in His physical flesh and blood body.

    As for His appearance with Paul:
    This is not in conflict with Jesus having a physical flesh and blood body.
    Jesus simply did not reveal Himself to Paul.
    Jesus said to His disciples to touch his hands and that he had flesh and bones like they did. Hebrews 7:25 says He forever lives to make intercession for us (Also see Revelation 1:18).
     
  2. oldrunner

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    I don't know where you got that? :scratch:

    The resurrection only happens once, and it will be a bodily resurrection. Paul don't say "resurrections". And it takes place at the coming of Jesus or Parousia. Paul was arguing against a spiritual resurrection from the start of 1st Cor. 15, showing the Lord was raised in a real body, and this is our hope that our bodies will be raised up at His coming., like His was. Here is the word. It can't mean anything but a bodily resurrection in the context of 1st cor 15.


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    ἀνάστασις

    anastasis

    an-as'-tas-is

    From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth): - raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

    Paul gives the order; Christ the first fruits, then they that are his at His coming (Parousia). Paul was teaching the first resurrection would be when the bodies of all believers are "raised" never to suffer corruption again. This is a one time deal. Be it OT saints, NT saints, or Trib saints. All under the umbrella of the Parousia.

    The second resurrection at the end of Revelation 20 (1000 years) is the resurrection unto death, not life. This is for unbelievers only, and this will be when all death in the universe is done away with. That's "the end", of the order- the second resurrection/death. This is why Hades or hell Is shown as being emptied out, and Satan is not judged yet either. All the unbelievers during the Mill Kingdom has to be drawn out by Satan, then God fries them without a fight. Then He empties out Hades and judges them. None in Hades will be found in the Book of Life. We are, so we are not judged and we already have our resurrection bodies anyway, so therefore, the second death won't harm us. :)

    We are only blessed and holy, and the second death won't harm us if we partake of the first resurrection. Says it plain as day. If you are raised at the second resurrection, you are toasted dude! :eek: We will already have our one and only, resurrection bodies when Christ comes back at His Parousia, and we will be able to live on the Earth and live in the Heavenly city too. That's how Jesus is doing it now. He has His resurrection body with flesh and bones, but is in Heaven now. When He comes back He will be reigning on the Earth in the same ole body, same dude. Right? He is looking forward to eating the Passover with the 12 again-minus Judas.;) So there is that continuum. One body, that's all He will ever have-like us.


    1Co 15:16  For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 

    1Co 15:17  And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 

    1Co 15:18  Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 

    1Co 15:19  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 

    1Co 15:20  But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 

    1Co 15:21  For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 

    1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 

    1Co 15:23  But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming (Parousia) 

    1Co 15:24  Then comes the end, (when) He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 

    1Co 15:25  For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. (1000 years)

    1Co 15:26  The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. (2nd resurrection onto death)


    Rev 20:4  I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (John is simply stating he saw those souls beheaded back in Rev 6-during the great Tribulation as now living and reigning with Christ 1000 years- meaning they are part of the Parousia too, meaning they are part of the first resurrection)

    Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. (meaning the second resurrection unto death) This is the first resurrection. (meaning those described in the verse above who are those who are part of the first resurrection, the coming/ Parousia)

    Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (This explains it: Those reigning 1000 years are already resurrected. Signified by saying they lived in verse 4 )

    Rev 20:11  Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 

    Rev 20:12  And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 

    Rev 20:13  The sea gave up the dead who were in it (the bodies), and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them (the souls). And they were judged, each one according to his works. 

    Rev 20:14  Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 
     
  3. Gottservant

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    We are His Flesh.
     
  4. GingerBeer

    GingerBeer Cool and refreshing with a kick!

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    Yes, Jesus still has flesh. Jesus informed the apostles after he rose from the dead. He said: ... Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. (Luke 24:38-40)
     
  5. DamianWarS

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    ooooh... how abstract of you
     
  6. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    And the Blind people who can't see light but still have eyes??
     
  7. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Right, after the ascension.
    At no time between the resurrection and ascension did He take on this "glorified" state.
     
  8. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    He was able to defy gravity and walk through hostile crowds untouched BEFORE the crucifixion.

    Hardly sounds like anything changed.

    Sorry, Lightning is a LOCAL event.
    I live in Portland Oregon and I NEVER see lightning flashing from east to west over Tokyo.

    Show us this "Circling of the Globe" from scripture, please.
    What scripture depicts this Orbital pattern prior to his setting His feet down?

    Or did you just make that one up?
     
  9. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    And this scripture?
    What type of Man does this description show?
    Rev. 5:6
    Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes
     
  10. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Paul clearly tells us here that our Body that goes into the grave is NOT the Body that is raised up..That body is like the husk of a seed that disintegrates and dies (Jesus was the ONLY one promised His physical Body would not do this)

    And once our earthly body dies we leave it behind and God Gives us a NEW Spiritual Body

    Two Different Bodies... one (Physical) is shed at death and left in the dirt like the husk f a seed, and the other is (Spiritual) and Given By God at that time.

    Paul is so clear. Great Passage. Thanks for posting.
     
  11. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    The question is "is he flesh" not "when did he become glorified". the scripture you posted at the very least shows us his form matches the description of a man.
     
  12. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    It shows us the images in Revelation don't inform us well on if Christ is flesh or not.
     
  13. teatimebabe28

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    Hello. :amen:

    What a truly amazing post.; The person " parousia70 " has really laid down the truth that the Bible has shown us. I agree with many things that many other people have to say but - - I would like to show You a WIDESPREAD example of how the Trinitarian translators have deliberately and purposely changed the Bible.

    Let's please look at = Heb 8:1 -
    Heb 8:1 - Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right of the throne of the Majesty " in " the heavens.

    Please notice the above phrase in the verse - { " in " the heavens } - In the original Greek Manuscripts - this word " in "“ the heavens is the same exact word that is in the previous phrase - { on the right of the throne }.

    The manuscripts use the Greek word “ IN “ when saying that The High Priest is - { " in " the throne } of The Majesty in the heavens. It is the same exact Greek word. It does NOT say = ON THE THRONE. - There is a huge difference between saying IN and ON“ - the throne. The word “ON “ means = About, Concerning with, In reference to, In regard to, Made from, Pertaining to, Referring to, Regarding or Related to an objective.


    The translators have no problem correctly translating the many, many other verses correctly - where the Greek words “ IN “ and ON are used.
    Such as Luke20:1 - ON one of those days, as he taught the people IN the temple.
    And
    - Mat 5: ON a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are IN the house.
    And
    - Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye IN light: and what ye hear IN the ear, that preach ye ON the housetops.

    And - Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound IN heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed IN heaven.
    And
    - Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind ON earth shall be bound IN heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose ON earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    And
    - Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part IN the first resurrection: ON such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ........

    There are over 400 verses where the words IN and ONare both used simultaneously and the translators have no problem correctly translating the definitions of the meanings between the wordsIN and ON “.
    However when it comes to the position of the assumedTRINITYdoctrine - the Trinitarian translators denied, deleted - removed and cut out the many places where the Bible says that Yahshua is IN the RIGHT of the throne of God.

    Also, These following verses are mistranslated in our Trinitarian translations. – as the Trinitarians delete the literal Greek word - IN and change it to mean that Yahshua is “ NOT “IN“ THE RIGHT OF THE THRONE - NEITHER - IN THE RIGHT OF MAJESTY and GOD. This is why they changed it. !
    All of these verses are mistranslated to change the manuscripts to fit and suit to a TRINITARIAN THEORY. Rom 8:34 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en – en “IN“ the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Eph 1:20 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en “IN“ his own right G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the heavenly place. Heb 12:2 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en “IN“ the right of the throne of God. Heb 1:3 Christ is..... the express image of The Fathers confidence, .... sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en “IN“ the right of the Majesty G1722 - ἐ ν - en - en “IN“ the high. Heb 8:1 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en “IN“ the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down G1722 - ἐν - en “IN“ the right of God; 1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is G1722 - ἐν - en - en in the right of God;
     
  14. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Does that mean you don’t believe your own statement in your post #71 above?
     
  15. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    using my words against me doesn't do anything for your position. we all know what kind of book revelation is so let's not pretend we don't.
     
  16. Gottservant

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    your funny

    I hope you're trying to be funny, anyway
     
  17. oldrunner

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    Thanks for the confirmation! :oldthumbsup: (let the reader understand)
     
  18. oldrunner

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    Thanks for the confirmation! :oldthumbsup: (let the reader understand)
     
  19. ViaCrucis

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    According to the Gospel of Luke Jesus, after He had been raised from the dead, showed Himself to His disciples and when they were afraid said to them, "See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:39)

    Yes, the risen Lord Jesus has a human body of flesh and bones.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  20. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Corruptible means "able to decay", i.e. mortal. Jesus certainly did have corruptible, mortal human flesh prior to the resurrection. In the resurrection He does not.

    The idea that Jesus's body was incorruptible before the resurrection is a heresy known as Aphthartodocetism. If the Lord wasn't an ordinary, mortal human being in His humanity, then the Incarnation is a sham.

    "Like us in all ways but without sin" is an essential and key component of orthodox Christology. Or to quote St. Gregory of Nazianzus, "Whatever is not assumed is not healed." If the Son of God did not assume our corruptible, mortal flesh, then there is no salvation for our corruptible, mortal flesh. But the Apostle says, "If the Spirit of Him who raised Christ from the dead dwells in you then He who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also." In the resurrection "this corruptible shall put on incorruption" and "this mortal shall put on immortality", and death and its sting are swallowed up in victory.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  21. Childofgodharrison

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    Right now he is in heaven, so no he is not flesh. He is spirit. When he comes to the earth he will appear in his fleshly clothing. John1: 1-2, 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
    John 1:14 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    I believe that he has a heavenly body in heaven.
     
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