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IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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I don't believe my post was confusing. Please give me the post # that says that I was referring to them as being in Heaven.
Hi Jason scroll back a few pages. Your reply was confusing as your response was to this question..
Archippus said: Really? So you can enter the kingdom of heaven and be thrown out at a later date?
It sounded like you were trying to make a case for those being thrown out of heaven for sinning. Thats the way I read it anyways when supplying context earlier.
 
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It is no sin for the Christian to ignore the Ten Commandments because they no longer apply; but it is a sin not to love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as ourselves.

Well that statement has no truth in it. How can you love your neighbore if you steal, lie, commit adultery with their partner, murder them and covet their posessions?

I suggest you read your bible as Jesus and all the Apostles disagree with you.

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Well that statement has no truth in it. How can you love your neighbore if you steal, lie, commit adultery with their partner, murder them and covet their posessions?

I suggest you read your bible Jesus and all the Apostles disagree with you.

* SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME.

Hope this helps.
In all my 50 years of church involvement I have never met or heard of any brother or sister in Christ doing any of those things. Maybe you might have people like that in your neck of the woods, but never in mine!
 
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In all my 50 years of church involvement I have never met or heard of any brother or sister in Christ doing any of those things. Maybe you might have people like that in your neck of the woods, but never in mine!

Oscar did you know that you cannot separate God's LAW (10 Commandments) from LOVE? Obedience to God's LAW is how LOVE is expressed *ROMANS 13:8-10.
 
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Oscar did you know that you cannot separate God's LAW (10 Commandments) from LOVE? Obedience to God's LAW is how LOVE is expressed *ROMANS 13:8-10.
The path and how we define obedience to God's Law (2 & 10 together) is what needs to change... it is obedience to faith and following after love... You'll end up in the same place following the two or the ten, it's just that the path of the ten is impossible for any save one, only Jesus Christ, and it it is he that fulfilled that other path and/so he could institute a new one, a new and better one, and not to mention, much more possible one, that we can now take through and with him, which is obedience to faith and following after and pursuing love...

God Bless!
 
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In all my 50 years of church involvement I have never met or heard of any brother or sister in Christ doing any of those things. Maybe you might have people like that in your neck of the woods, but never in mine!

First, we walk by faith and not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7) (Hebrews 11:1).
For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
We learn by the anointing of the Spirit (1 John 2:27), and not in the cleverness of men's speeches (1 Corinthians 2:4).

Second, we are living in the last days; See 2 Timothy 3:1-9. Also, Jesus asks that when He (the Son of Man) returns, will he find faith on the Earth? (See Luke 18:8).

Remember, things will be like they were in the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37).
The point of the global flood was not.... Once Saved Always Saved or a sin and still be saved type of belief (Which is an oxymoron or contradiction of Scripture or an insult to Christ's teachings), but the point of the global flood was that it was an example to all who would live ungodly thereafter.

5 "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;" (2 Peter 2:5-6).

Jesus Himself said.... narrow is the way that leads unto life, and few be there that finds it (Matthew 7:14).

Remember, the Pharisees thought they knew it all their whole lives, that was until Jesus came. Jesus did not say.... "Hey look guys! Don't worry about your sins or hypocrisy, just believe in me and I will take care of that." No, no. Jesus most certainly did not say that. Jesus said that the Pharisees were hypocrites and they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like faith, love, justice, and mercy (See Luke 11:42, and Matthew 23:23). Jesus was not only getting them to repent and believe in Him but He was also trying to get them to clean up their act after they repented (or sought out forgiveness with Him).

For Jesus said He was among sinners as a Physician to heal them. This means that Jesus was among them to heal them of their sinful condition so that they would not continue to be sick as a sinner. Sin is the disease and Jesus would help them to overcome this disease. Romans 13:14 says put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and fulfill not the lusts of the flesh.
 
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The path and how we define obedience to God's Law (2 & 10) is what needs to change... it is obedience to faith and following after love... You'll end up in the same place following the two or the ten, it's just that the path of the ten is impossible for any save one, only Jesus Christ, and it it is he that fulfilled that other path and/so he could institute a new one, a new and better one, and not to mention, much more possible one, that we can now take through and with him, which is obedience to faith and following after and pursuing love...

God Bless!

No one is saved by the 10 Commandments. Their purpose is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). The thing is you cannot get to LOVE if you have none. God's LAW is the schoolmaster to bring us to faith only after we see our need. It is only through faith that works by LOVE that establsihes God's LAW in the lives of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.
 
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Oscar did you know that you cannot separate God's LAW (10 Commandments) from LOVE? Obedience to God's LAW is how LOVE is expressed *ROMANS 13:8-10.

Nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned in Romans 13:8-10!!!
You miss the whole point of what Paul was trying to say.
Paul is saying that if you love your neighbor you will not murder them, or you will not covet anything they have, etc.

The Sabbath (Which is Old Covenant only) is about giving glory to God on the 7th day in honor of God resting from his works and it is about taking a day of rest for the Israelite (and not for the Gentiles unless they became a Jew). If I were to just love my neighbor by doing loving and good things, I am not going to automatically fulfill the Sabbath. I will automatically fulfill the Moral Law like not wanting to kill them, or steal from them because I am instead loving them. Don't you get it?
 
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No one is saved by the 10 Commandments. Their purpose is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). The thing is you cannot get to LOVE if you have none. God's LAW is the schoolmaster to bring us to faith only after we see our need. It is only through faith that works by LOVE that establsihes God's LAW in the lives of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

Jesus said to the young rich ruler, "...if you will enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). Jesus pointed Him to the Moral Law and there was no mention of the Sabbath. Granted, the Sabbath was binding at that time because the New Covenant did not officially go into effect until Christ died upon the cross (Even though Christ was making certain changes already within the Law).

For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).
 
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In all my 50 years of church involvement I have never met or heard of any brother or sister in Christ doing any of those things. Maybe you might have people like that in your neck of the woods, but never in mine!

Oh, LoveGodsWord agrees with you that keeping God's laws are not related to salvation. Don't you worry about that. He is with you in that regards. So when he ways "sin" it is not for a person to think they have to keep God's commands to be saved (Although that is the impression that somebody can get).

But I disagree with you both that obedience to God does not play a part in our salvation. For a sin and still be saved belief is not what the Scriptures teach even remotely.
After we are saved by God's grace, we are supposed to allow God the Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit to work through us to obey His commands within the New Testament.

For God has chosen us from the beginning to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Grace is not a license for immorality or not for us to worry about God's laws anymore. The very reason Christ died for us was so as to make us holy, blameless (Ephesians 5:25-27) and to be zealous of good works (Titus 2:14).

You have to do backflip twists around whole chunks of many passages in the New Testament in order to make a sin and still be saved type belief work.

God is good, and His people are good, too.
If not, then God would just force save everyone or He would destroy them all if they could not obey Him. For why would God give us commands? Just so that we can fail? That seems pretty cruel if you ask me.
 
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Jesus said to the young rich ruler, "...if you will enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). Jesus pointed Him to the Moral Law and there was no mention of the Sabbath. Granted, the Sabbath was binding at that time because the New Covenant did not officially go into effect until Christ died upon the cross (Even though Christ was making certain changes already within the Law).

For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).

Jason all of the 10 Commandments are moral laws. Do you know the meaning of Moral?

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MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined.

ALL of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS are MORAL laws. The first four are our duty of LOVE to GOD and the second 6 are our duty of LOVE to our neighbour.

In the logic of your post above, all of the first four commandments which Jesus says in MATTHEW 22:26-40 are our duty of LOVE to GOD are not required. There are 10 COMMANDMENTS written by God on two tables of stone not 9 and not 613 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19-20; ROMANS 7:7; DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

SIN is the breaking of ANY God's Commandments . If you break any one of them you stand guilty before GOD of breaking all of them *ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:8-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).



 
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Oh, LoveGodsWord agrees with you that keeping God's laws are not related to salvation. Don't you worry about that. He is with you in that regards. So when he ways "sin" it is not for a person to think they have to keep God's commands to be saved (Although that is the impression that somebody can get).

But I disagree with you both that obedience to God does not play a part in our salvation. For a sin and still be saved belief is not what the Scriptures teach even remotely.
After we are saved by God's grace, we are supposed to allow God the Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit to work through us to obey His commands within the New Testament.

For God has chosen us from the beginning to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Grace is not a license for immorality or not for us to worry about God's laws anymore. The very reason Christ died for us was so as to make us holy, blameless (Ephesians 5:25-27) and to be zealous of good works (Titus 2:14).

You have to do backflip twists around whole chunks of many passages in the New Testament in order to make a sin and still be saved type belief work.

God is good, and His people are good, too.
If not, then God would just force save everyone or He would destroy them all if they could not obey Him. For why would God give us commands? Just so that we can fail? That seems pretty cruel if you ask me.

Your post does not make any sense. When have I ever said or posted OBEDIENCE is not a requirement of Salvation? Sin is breaking ANY of God's commandments (James 2:8-11) All those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27). Your post above only shows you do not read what is posted to you.
 
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Jason all of the 10 Commandments are moral laws. Do you know the meaning of Moral?

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MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined.

ALL of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS are MORAL laws. The first four are our duty of LOVE to GOD and the second 6 are our duty of LOVE to our neighbour.

In the logic of your post above, all of the first four commandments which Jesus says in MATTHEW 22:26-40 are our duty of LOVE to GOD are not required. There are 10 COMMANDMENTS written by God on two tables of stone not 9 and not 613 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19-20; ROMANS 7:7; DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

SIN is the breaking of ANY God's Commandments . If you break any one of them you stand guilty before GOD of breaking all of them *ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:8-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).



No. Moral Laws are any laws that you instinctively know to do in regards to right and wrong without anyone telling you specifically about any kind of law.

Moral Law - Definition from the dictionary:

A general rule of right living; especially : such a rule or group of rules conceived as universal and unchanging and as having the sanction of God's will, of conscience, of man's moral nature, or of natural justice as revealed to human reason.

of conscience and of man's moral nature.

Source:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moral law

Example of the Moral Law observed by the Gentiles:

"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" (Romans 2:14).
 
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Jason all of the 10 Commandments are moral laws. Do you know the meaning of Moral?

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MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined.

ALL of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS are MORAL laws. The first four are our duty of LOVE to GOD and the second 6 are our duty of LOVE to our neighbour.

In the logic of your post above, all of the first four commandments which Jesus says in MATTHEW 22:26-40 are our duty of LOVE to GOD are not required. There are 10 COMMANDMENTS written by God on two tables of stone not 9 and not 613 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19-20; ROMANS 7:7; DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

SIN is the breaking of ANY God's Commandments . If you break any one of them you stand guilty before GOD of breaking all of them *ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:8-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).



Again, the Moral Law is to love your neighbor as shown in Romans 13:8-10. You do not automatically keep the Sabbath by doing good and loving things for your neighbor. But you do keep the Moral Law like not murdering them, and not stealing from them, etc. by loving your neighbor or by doing loving and good things for them. You automatically keep these Moral Laws in the process by loving your neighbor.

Stop for a moment and think about it.
 
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No. Moral Laws are any laws that you instinctively know to do in regards to right and wrong without anyone telling you specifically about any kind of law.

Moral Law - Definition from the dictionary:

A general rule of right living; especially : such a rule or group of rules conceived as universal and unchanging and as having the sanction of God's will, of conscience, of man's moral nature, or of natural justice as revealed to human reason.

of conscience and of man's moral nature.

Source:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moral law

Example of the Moral Law observed by the Gentiles:

"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" (Romans 2:14).

Jason, did you read the post I sent you? How is what you have posted here different to the dictionary definition I have already provided? What are you saying no to? Or are you just saying no for the sake of it?
 
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Jason, did you read the post I sent you? How is what you have posted here different to the dictionary definition I have already provided? What are you saying no to? Or are you just saying no for the sake of it?

Did you read the definition of the Dictionary I gave to you?
My guess is that you didn't because you are pointing to your definition as it being the only source in the universe.
 
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Again, the Moral Law is to love your neighbor as shown in Romans 13:8-10. You do not automatically keep the Sabbath by doing good and loving things for your neighbor. But you do keep the Moral Law like not murdering them, and not stealing from them, etc. by loving your neighbor or by doing loving and good things for them.

Stop for a moment and think about it.

Nope,

WEBSTERS

MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined.

ALL of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS are MORAL laws. The first four are our duty of LOVE to GOD and the second 6 are our duty of LOVE to our neighbour.

God's 10 COMMANDMENTS are the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172.

Well there you are all the scriptures match perfectly the dictionary definition that was provided you earlier. ALL OF GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS are MORAL laws and duty of right and wrong, good and evil.


In the logic of your post above, all of the first four commandments which Jesus says in MATTHEW 22:26-40 are our duty of LOVE to GOD are not required. There are 10 COMMANDMENTS written by God on two tables of stone not 9 and not 613 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19-20; ROMANS 7:7; DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

SIN is the breaking of ANY God's Commandments . If you break any one of them you stand guilty before GOD of breaking all of them *ROMANS 3:20; JAMES 2:8-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Did you read the definition of the Dictionary I gave to you?
My guess is that you didn't because you are pointing to your definition as it being the only source in the universe.

The definition is the same as the one I provided although the dictionary I provided you was an English bible dictionary from WEBSTERS 1828 which match the scriptures provided showing that God's 10 Commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172.

A MORAL law is the standard of GOOD AND EVIL which is what the scriptures are talking about above. This is the purpose of the 10 COMMANDMENTS.

Hope this helps.
 
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Nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned in Romans 13:8-10!!!
You miss the whole point of what Paul was trying to say.
Paul is saying that if you love your neighbor you will not murder them, or you will not covet anything they have, etc.

The Sabbath (Which is Old Covenant only) is about giving glory to God on the 7th day in honor of God resting from his works and it is about taking a day of rest for the Israelite (and not for the Gentiles unless they became a Jew). If I were to just love my neighbor by doing loving and good things, I am not going to automatically fulfill the Sabbath. I will automatically fulfill the Moral Law like not wanting to kill them, or steal from them because I am instead loving them. Don't you get it?

Jason, how many commandments are there in the 10 Commandments that God wrote on the two tables of stone? *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4

NOW take a moment to think about what your saying?

WHAT LAW is PAUL quoting from in ROMANS 13:8-10? I noticed you did not post the full scripture let me help.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: FOR HE THAT LOVES HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], For this, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOYU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Yep PAUL is quoting from the 10 COMMANDMENT (EXODUS 20:11-17) the 2nd great commandment of love to our neighbour.

NOW LOOK at the logic behind what your saying? Your saying because the 4th commandment is not mentioned in the ROMANS 13:8-10 therefore it is not required. If that was true then according to your logic all the first four commandments that are our duty of LOVE to GOD are not required?

Can you see the error in your thinking?

Think it through brother. Are you free now to worship other Gods, make and worship idols and use God's name in vain?

Where is the scripture that says any of God's 10 Commandments are abolished? God's wrote the 10 COMMANDMENTS on the two tables of stone for a reason. They are God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any one of them we stand guilty before GOD of SIN * JAMES 2:8-11.

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps
 
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It appears you are seeing what you want to see even though I showed you the dictionary and the Word of God on this matter.

Good day to you;
No offense, my friend, but I am not going to waste anymore of my time in trying to show you something that you don't want to see.

Blessings and peace to you in the Lord.
 
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