IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

[Bible Highlighter]

Bear in mind that John 3:13 was before the Cross of Christ, ie before the gates of heaven was opened by Jesus Christ.

God does not see things as past, present and future.

LUKE.23:43 =43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

Paradise is Abraham's Bosom. Jesus was three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth. Jesus told the thief He would be with Him that very day in Paradise. So Paradise is Abraham's bosom in the realm of the dead (See the story of Lazarus and the Rich-man in Luke 16:19-31).

2CORINTHIANS.12: = The Vision of Paradise
12 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.

I suppose there are always exceptions to the rule.

However, in the Pre-Trib Rapture the dead in Christ will rise first.
Where exactly are they rising from?
Naturally they would be rising from Abraham's Bosom to meet the Lord in the air. It is also possible that this man in Christ is Jesus, too. For He is not named.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The scripture you are using prove you wrong. The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. That is why they called it the Ark of the Covenant. Because it held the Ten Commandments.

Not at all Dave,

The scriptures show you are only telling half the story and you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is about?

The ARK of the COVENANT did indeed contain what the OLD COVENANT was. Let's have a look and see what it contained.

Maybe you do not know the scriptures here?

WHAT LAWS DID THE ARK OF THE COVENANT [HOUSE OF THE COVENANT] CONTAIN?

DEUTERONOMY 10:5 [5] And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me.

Yep there is the 10 Commandments housed in the ARK of the COVENANT.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

Well here you go now Dave can you now see your error here?

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

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CONCLUSION: The ARK [House of the COVENANT] held God's 10 Commandments [2x tables of stone] and the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (in the side of the ark). Together these made up the OLD COVENANT.

Yep seems like you are only telling half the story here. Can you see your error now?

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The weekly Sabbath is a ceremonial Law.

The word “ceremony” is defined as:

“formal religious or sacred observance; a solemn rite:”

Is not the weekly Sabbath a formal religious or sacred observance?

I would say.... “yes.”

So you are violating Titus 3:9.

Good day to you, sir.
And may God’s love shine upon you today.

NOPE! God's 4th commandments is not a ceremonial law whatsoever. You mix up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) with God's eternal law (Psalms 19:9-11).

God's 4th commandment is not ceremonial it is MEMORIAL;

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER [MEMORIAL] THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY.
[9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work:
[10], But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY ARE WE TO REMEMBER THE SABBATH?]
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. [Reference to the creation week GENESIS 2:1-3]

You may need to expand your definition of CEREMONIAL your interpretation fo every one of the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments are not ceremonial they are MORAL laws showing our duty of LOVE to GOD and MAN.

WEBSTERS 1828

CEREMONIAL, a. [See Ceremony.]
1. Relating to ceremony, or external rite; ritual; according to the forms of established rites; as ceremonial exactness. It is particularly applied to the forms and rites of the Jewish religion; as the ceremonial law or worship, as distinguished from the moral and judicial law.
2. Formal; observant of old forms; exact; precise in manners.
[In this sense, ceremonious is now used.]

CEREMONIAL, n.
1. Outward form; external rite, or established forms or rites, including all the forms prescribed; a system of rules and ceremonies, enjoined by law or established by custom, whether in religious worship, in social intercourse, or in the courts of princes.
2. The order for rites and forms in the Romish church, or the book containing the rules prescribed to be observed on solemn occasions.

Sorry Jason, ALL of God's 10 Commandments are not ceremonial laws at all they are all MORAL laws. Can you see your error now?

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But the Ten are now abolished, the Two preceded the Ten and still remain.

Nope! You cannot have LOVE without the law getting you there. As Jesus says on these two commandments [LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN] hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, they said he taught against Moses. The would have loved you, thinking the way you do.

Indeed, the Jews also had to make up thing about Jesus in order to find an excuse to put him on the cross.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not sure why some say 10.. the law was 613. You keep ALL of you fail in all.

Hi brother Blade, welcome here and great to meet you

I agree with most your your post brother well written and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Just a thought however, where in God's WORD does it say the 613 commandments? [not saying that there is not 613, there is] However, there are only 10 commandments in the 10 Commandments and that is why they are called the 10 commandments [or 10 Words] in God's WORD (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4) When God gave them nothing more was added to them (Deuteronomy 5:22).

The OLD COVENANT was made of God's LAW (10 Commandments [words] * Exodus 34:28), and the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant (Exodus 24:7). Both God's 10 Commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant held a different purpose in the OLD COVENANT. God's 10 Commandments were to give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172) while the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT held the laws for remission [FORGIVENESS] of sin if God's 10 commandments were broken [Leviticus 16]. Both were housed with the ARK of the COVENANT that collectively made up the OLD COVENANT (Deuteronomy 10:5; Deuteronomy 31:26).

Some try to make up the story that God's 10 Commandments alone are the OLD COVENANT. This is only telling half the story and causes confusion as to what laws are being referred to in the NEW TESTAMENT and why many do not understand what the NEW COVENANT is.

Thanks for sharing here blade, great post.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"You who are wanting to be justified by the law, do you not know what the law says?"

The scriptures actually call such people as falling from grace (let's not read into what that means). See Galatians. It teaches in Hebrews that there's a change of law with a change in priesthood and that the Mosaic covenant, on which the law was founded, did not override or do away with the original covenant given to Abraham. God's original promise and covenant and law built in the promise of Jesus and his priesthood supersedes the law of Moses and the Old Testament practices. "It is based on better promises." But Jesus didn't preach lawlessness. He sent an indwelling of the Holy Spirit to those that believed in him, an indwelling that guaranteed the obedience to His will and one that cannot be counterfeited. He also said, "Repent or you too will all perish." So, there's an easy distinguishing of sin and law for those seeking it. However, as is the case with all sound doctrine, ignorant and unstable men twist things to their own destruction, and there are wolves into creating division and contention with actual Christ followers who are commanded by scripture to work out their salvation and to figure out how to test and know the Lord in the things that are good, personal lack of maturity, not being an excusable thing before God, who has given us both His word and Spirit to learn from.

Since God doesn't change, there's much to learn from what God desires in the Old Testament, but as for it's practices and regulations, the New Testament lays out much clearer what God desires and commands in many of the things taught by Jesus and the Epistles. God didn't remove anything from His eternal law and He never will, but those commands are not the commands given to Moses, though many of them today remain the same thing said different ways. It was always declared who Jesus would be and what his priesthood would entail and that is the eternal law, not Moses.

Hello FatalHeart, nice to see you brother.

No one is saying that we are justified by the law (see opening OP statement). We are all only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8). OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is the fruit of faith that works by LOVE (Romans 1:5; Romans 16:26; Romans 3:31; Romans 13:8-10)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here brother.

 

[well hey]

of course it is sin. have you read the old testament? if you cant see it in the bible, i dont know what will help you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

of course it is sin. have you read the old testament? if you cant see it in the bible, i dont know what will help you

Hello Well hey, nice to meet you sister and welcome. Right to the point and well said. I like it! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[Tutorman]

God is my judge brother not you. We are not to judge each other. (Romans 2:1-13)

If your a Christian we are to judge, nice dodge. Tell you what ou keep the law and ignore Christ and me and my house will serve the Lord

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If your a Christian we are to judge, nice dodge. Tell you what ou keep the law and ignore Christ and me and my house will serve the Lord

Hello Tutorman, there is no dodge brother only God's WORD and we should believe and follow it. None are saved in their efforts to keep God's LAW. We are saved by grace through faith it is a gift of God and not of works lest anyman your boast (Ephesians 2:8). None are serving God by breaking his commandments however and are in danger of the judgment (Hebrews 10:25-27; Romans 2:12-13; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 6:4-8) because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son (Romans 6:23).

Thanks for your thoughts brother nice to see you

 

[FatalHeart]

How did beggar Lazarus(LUKE.16:19-31), Moses and Elijah(MATTHEW.17:3), and other Old Testament Jews(MATTHEW.27:52) go to heaven.? Was it not by keeping the Law when they were here on earth.?

No. It wasn't. Jesus gave no comment on how Lazarus got to heaven. Abel was declared righteous. Abraham was declared righteous. These both gave an understanding of Christ before being so. Moses gave an understanding of Christ, prophesying about his arrival. Jesus preached to the souls that died in the days of Noah. The dead were judged by Christ just as the living are judged by Christ. Salvation, righteousness, has always been through Christ, from the very beginning Abel making a sacrifice, to the very end with Jesus ascending to heaven, but even Jesus preached to obey the ruling powers "because they sit in Moses' seat." It's not because they agreed with the Son of God, but because they were the authority God established. The point I am making is as children of God we obey the authorities set down by God, the Mosaic Law being that authority at the time, but that doesn't mean we look or ever looked to it for salvation. It was always about Jesus, who was represented by the bronze snake, not the bronze snake itself.

 

[FatalHeart]

The context of the scripture in question is just one of many examples. See below.

The Pharisees confronted Jesus saying, "Look, why are [your disciples] doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" What was Jesus response? He implicated himself by using an example of unlawful behavior by David and his companions.

If this was not setting the law aside, I don't know what it was. Why would an example of unlawful behavior be a defense for gathering food on the Sabbath? If it was anyone else, we wouldn't hesitate to say they were living above the law.

Mark 2:23-28 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” 25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

God killed his friend for touching the ark. The subject you use is an example of God not killing David, which He would have done if it was evil. What Jesus is doing is opening their eyes to an old testament example of the Law of Moses in action that they didn't understand, even though they professed to be called teachers. Jesus wasn't dismissing the law at this point but teaching them their hypocrisy in declaring themselves as workers of God while are rejecting His Messiah. He shows this by countering with his example of the priests desecrating the Sabbath day and still being called innocent by the Law. Jesus shows this in multiple ways, "My Father works to this day," "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath," "The Sabbath was made for man."

 

[Saint Steven]

God killed his friend for touching the ark. The subject you use is an example of God not killing David, which He would have done if it was evil. What Jesus is doing is opening their eyes to an old testament example of the Law of Moses in action that they didn't understand, even though they professed to be called teachers. Jesus wasn't dismissing the law at this point but teaching them their hypocrisy in declaring themselves as workers of God while are rejecting His Messiah. He shows this by countering with his example of the priests desecrating the Sabbath day and still being called innocent by the Law. Jesus shows this in multiple ways, "My Father works to this day," "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath," "The Sabbath was made for man."

One little problem. The Pharisees were correct, and Jesus agreed with them. There was a clear Sabbath violation.

If Jesus was declaring that work on the Sabbath was okay, then he was clearly putting the law aside.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

One little problem. The Pharisees were correct, and Jesus agreed with them. There was a clear Sabbath violation.

If Jesus was declaring that work on the Sabbath was okay, then he was clearly putting the law aside.

What your claiming above is the the words of the Pharisees are correct (the teachings of men) over the WORD of GOD and the LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28).

Sorry repost but relevant here...

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matt 12:12)


Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.


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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[FatalHeart]

One little problem. The Pharisees were correct, and Jesus agreed with them. There was a clear Sabbath violation.

If Jesus was declaring that work on the Sabbath was okay, then he was clearly putting the law aside.

So why did he bring up the Sabbath desecration allowance by the priests?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

May God's peace be upon you.

 

[Saint Steven]

So why did he bring up the Sabbath desecration allowance by the priests?

Because it was a desecration. The Sabbath was desecrated.

His disciples were caught gathering food on the Sabbath. A clear Sabbath violation.

So Jesus explained that David and his companions did what was unlawful. (so why couldn't he?) He explained that the priests desecrated the Sabbath. (so why couldn't he?) After all, he is Lord EVEN of the Sabbath. He could do whatever he wanted to. Even set the law aside.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

NOPE! God's 4th commandments is not a ceremonial law whatsoever. You mix up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) with God's eternal law (Psalms 19:9-11).

God's 4th commandment is not ceremonial it is MEMORIAL;

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER [MEMORIAL] THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY.
[9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work:
[10], But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY ARE WE TO REMEMBER THE SABBATH?]
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. [Reference to the creation week GENESIS 2:1-3]

You may need to expand your definition of CEREMONIAL your interpretation fo every one of the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments are not ceremonial they are MORAL laws showing our duty of LOVE to GOD and MAN.

WEBSTERS 1828

CEREMONIAL, a. [See Ceremony.]
1. Relating to ceremony, or external rite; ritual; according to the forms of established rites; as ceremonial exactness. It is particularly applied to the forms and rites of the Jewish religion; as the ceremonial law or worship, as distinguished from the moral and judicial law.
2. Formal; observant of old forms; exact; precise in manners.
[In this sense, ceremonious is now used.]

CEREMONIAL, n.
1. Outward form; external rite, or established forms or rites, including all the forms prescribed; a system of rules and ceremonies, enjoined by law or established by custom, whether in religious worship, in social intercourse, or in the courts of princes.
2. The order for rites and forms in the Romish church, or the book containing the rules prescribed to be observed on solemn occasions.

Sorry Jason, ALL of God's 10 Commandments are not ceremonial laws at all they are all MORAL laws. Can you see your error now?

Hope this helps

Jesus says,

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The context of the scripture in question is just one of many examples. See below.

The Pharisees confronted Jesus saying, "Look, why are [your disciples] doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" What was Jesus response? He implicated himself by using an example of unlawful behavior by David and his companions.

If this was not setting the law aside, I don't know what it was. Why would an example of unlawful behavior be a defense for gathering food on the Sabbath? If it was anyone else, we wouldn't hesitate to say they were living above the law.

Mark 2:23-28 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” 25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

The PHARASEES were saying it. They implicated lots of things that were not true.