IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

[expos4ever]

The confusion comes from the fact I do not consider the Law to be the Law of Moses, but God's law. I apologize. My answer was incomplete.

Thanks, but I suggest it is clear from context that the references to "the law" in Romans 2 in particular are to the Law of Moses (even though Paul does say something in Romans 2 about how Gentiles - who are not under the Law of Moses - can, in effect, obey its underlying principle.

There are places in Romans, and in Paul more generally, where the term "law" is used to refer to something else other than the written Law of Moses. But most references to "the law" are indeed references to the Law of Moses.

 

[discipler7]

Also, while a believer is born again spiritually and is given a new heart with new desires, that does not mean their free will has been eliminated. It is not some automatic thing that they will all bear much fruit.

1JOHN.3:9 = 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Like I said before, the above verse at 1JOHN.3 is easily accomplished by Spirit-indwelled Jewish Christians but not by Spirit-indwelled Gentile Christians.(cf; MATTHEW.19:16-21)

 

[expos4ever]

1JOHN.3:9 = 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Like I said before, the above verse at 1JOHN.3 is easily accomplished by Spirit-indwelled Jewish Christians but not by Spirit-indwelled Gentile Christians.(cf; MATTHEW.19:16-21)

Huh? Are you really claiming that Jewish Christians are somehow better equipped to avoid sin? Such a position strikes me as demonstrably unBiblical, not least in light of Paul's claim that "in the gospel, there is neither Jew nor Greek".

 

[discipler7]

Sin caused a separation between God and man. Man needed a Savior.

That is true ... but it is not really true for you to say that Christians must "love your neighbor" or keep other required Old Testament laws, in order to be saved or to remain saved. They should do good works but not in order to be saved or to remain saved.
....... Christians are already saved at the moment they placed their faith in Jesus Christ, not when they "love your neighbor" or are unsaved or become unsaved if they do not "love your neighbor".

This is an eternal truth. ...

[JOHN.3:16 = 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.]

The Word of God does not say, "whoever 'loves your neighbor' should not perish but have everlasting life."

Christians are already saved by faith. The keeping of "love your neighbor" or other required Old Testament laws or good works would only beget them more rewards/crowns in the kingdom of heaven, and vice versa.

[EPHESIANS.2:8-9 = 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.]

 

[discipler7]

1JOHN.3:9 = 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Like I said before, the above verse at 1JOHN.3 is easily accomplished by Spirit-indwelled Jewish Christians but not by Spirit-indwelled Gentile Christians.(cf; MATTHEW.19:16-21)

Huh? Are you really claiming that Jewish Christians are somehow better equipped to avoid sin? Such a position strikes me as demonstrably unBiblical, not least in light of Paul's claim that "in the gospel, there is neither Jew nor Greek".

MATTHEW.19:16-22 =
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

 

[expos4ever]

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth..

That's your case? You take this one statement - which is undoubtedly an exaggeration - from this one young man and reach the conclusion that a Christian Jew is somehow less of a sinner than a Gentile Christian?

I suspect that I do not fully understand what you are saying.

 

[discipler7]

Let's say a Gentile alcoholic man somehow got saved through faith in Jesus Christ = he becomes a Gentile Christian alcoholic who is exempted from most of the burdensome parts of God's laws or Moses Law, including LEVITICUS.10:9(Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink), as per ACTS.15:24-29.

Wow. You actually believe that?

How is this person any different than those of the world?

A belief on Jesus?

Does a belief really make you a better person?

God so loved the world ... (JOHN.3:16), which would include Gentile alcoholics and drug addicts, whom He would want to save as well. Nothing is impossible with God.
....... Seems, your self-righteousness makes you deign to save "evil/dirty/unclean" alcoholics and drug addicts from hell.

It is a scientific fact that alcoholics and drug addicts suffer from permanent and irreparable or incurable brain damage or chemical alteration, similar to Type 2 diabetes patients. Normally, alcoholics and drug addicts do not get better without the substance/drugs.(cf; Delirium Tremens) Hence, they are known to steal/cheat money from others, in order to feed their expensive and evil/bad habit.
....... IOW, it is likely impossible to make Gentile Christian alcoholics and drug addicts into a better person. But it is still possible to save them from hell.

In USA today, many have become dependent on prescription pills, in effect becoming like drug addicts or alcoholics, eg Michael Jackson was "addicted" to sleeping pills and died from an overdose of propofol. There are some such examples at the forum here under "Mental Health and Recovery".

 

[discipler7]

That's your case? You take this one statement - which is undoubtedly an exaggeration - from this one young man and reach the conclusion that a Christian Jew is somehow less of a sinner than a Gentile Christian?

I suspect that I do not fully understand what you are saying.

How did beggar Lazarus(LUKE.16:19-31), Moses and Elijah(MATTHEW.17:3), and other Old Testament Jews(MATTHEW.27:52) go to heaven.? Was it not by keeping the Law when they were here on earth.?

 

[expos4ever]

How did beggar Lazarus(LUKE.16:19-31), Moses and Elijah(MATTHEW.17:3), and other Old Testament Jews(MATTHEW.27:52) go to heaven.? Was it not by keeping the Law when they were on earth.?

Let's say we agree that there were some OT Jews who perfectly kept the Law of Moses. I doubt such a claim allows one to then claim they were not sinners. Are you suggesting these guys were sinless?

And, again, I do not see any Biblical support for the notion that Spirit-filled Jews have any advantage over Spirit-filled Gentiles, as you certainly appear to believe.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

1JOHN.3:9 = 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Like I said before, the above verse at 1JOHN.3 is easily accomplished by Spirit-indwelled Jewish Christians but not by Spirit-indwelled Gentile Christians.(cf; MATTHEW.19:16-21)

What you say is not true. For it is written,

"For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed," (Romans 15:18).

For...

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28).

Also, 1 John 3:9 and Matthew 19:16-21 in no way says what you made them out to say. When you read 1 John 3:9, you should also read the verses before it and the verses after it, too.

Lets check them out.

"He that committeth sin is of the devil;" (1 John 3:8).
"he that doeth righteousness is righteous," (1 John 3:7).
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).
"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

As for Matthew 19:16-21:

Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). Now, you may like to think Jesus's whole point here is that we cannot keep God's laws; However, if that was the case, then He would have lied to the rich-man in telling him to do something that was impossible. Also, there is a reason you stopped at verse 21. It's because the final verses of Matthew 19 blows away your belief back into non-existence. If you were to read the end of Matthew 19, Jesus does not say,

"So you see. Obeying God's commands are impossible. You cannot enter into everlasting life by keeping God's commandments."

But nowhere does Jesus ever say such a thing or even suggest it.

Jesus actually says in Matthew 19:29,

"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life." (Matthew 19:29).

This is the second to the last verse in Matthew 19 (that Jesus speaks here). It is the conclusion. It says that everyone who has forsaken houses, brethren, etc. for Christ's sake shall receive an hundredfold and they shall inherit everlasting life.

Now, in order to make your belief work, you either have to change this above verse or ignore it.

Side Note:

As for 1 John 3:9:

Here is a portion of an article I agree with,

"John Wesley says:

”But some men will say, ‘True: whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin habitually.’ Habitually! Whence is that? I read it not. It is not written in the Book. God plainly saith, ‘He doth not commit sin’; and thou addest, habitually! Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God?-that ‘addest to the words of this book’? Beware I beseech thee, lest God ”add to thee all the plagues that are written therein’!” / John Wesley’s Fifty Three Sermons ”The Marks of the New Birth” April 3, 1741

”Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed (the believer) remaineth in him (Jesus): and he (the believer) cannot sin, because he is born of God (which is to abide in Jesus).” 1 John 3:9

This is confirmed in 1 John 3:6

”Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.” 1 John 3:6

It is not impossible for a believer to sin but rather, it is impossible for a believer to sin as long as he abides in Jesus (which is a condition to remain a believer). The chapter does not teach that it is impossible for a christian to sin but that it is possible that he, through God’s grace, avoids it. No believer has to sin (Titus 2:11-12, 1 Corinthians 10:13) and the Bible does not say that we are off the hook if we only transgress the law just once in a while instead of several times. Repentance is the only cure. If we mix sin and ”sorries” on a daily basis, we have not truly repented."

Source:
https://bjorkbloggen.com/2011/10/31...between-sinning-and-practicing-sin-1-john-39/
(Note: I do not agree with everything this author says, even in the other part of the article He mentions how Christ could have sinned - which I disagree with).

 

[discipler7]

And, again, I do not see any Biblical support for the notion that Spirit-filled Jews have any advantage over Spirit-filled Gentiles, as you certainly appear to believe.

1CORINTHIANS.3: = Sectarianism Is Carnal
3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

All the apostles were Jewish Christians, personally chosen by Jesus Christ, ie apostle Paul was a Jewish Christian. None were Gentile Christians. Paul castigated the Gentile Corinthian Christians as carnal people or babes in Christ, ie not as spiritual people or adults in Christ.

 

[discipler7]

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28).

Wrt salvation, there is neither Jew nor Greek, ie both are saved from hell by faith in Christ Jesus.
....... Wrt walking in the Spirit after coming to faith in Christ, Gentile Christians < Jewish Christians. (1CORINTHIANS.3:1-3) Paul called the Gentile Corinthian Christians as "babes in Christ" = babies do not really know how to walk.

All the 12 apostles were Jewish Christians, personally chosen by Jesus Christ. None were Gentile Christians. Even Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, was a Jewish Christian, and not a Gentile Christian. So, in God's eyes, Jewish Christians > Gentile Christians. ...

REVELATION.21:14 = The New Jerusalem ...
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

[expos4ever]

1CORINTHIANS.3: = Sectarianism Is Carnal
3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

All the apostles were Jewish Christians, personally chosen by Jesus Christ, ie apostle Paul was a Jewish Christian. None were Gentile Christians. Paul castigated the Gentile Corinthian Christians as carnal people or babes in Christ, ie not as spiritual people or adults in Christ.

This is a real stretch, to put it mildly. The fact that the apostles would be more spiritually mature almost certainly has nothing to do with their being Jewish per se, but rather their particular status as close followers of Jesus. Second, it is a real leap to assume that what may have been the case for the Corinthian Christians generalizes over all future time.

Remember what Paul writes: In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

How did beggar Lazarus(LUKE.16:19-31), Moses and Elijah(MATTHEW.17:3), and other Old Testament Jews(MATTHEW.27:52) go to heaven.? Was it not by keeping the Law when they were here on earth.?

Nobody has gone to Heaven yet.
That will not happen until the Pre-Trib Rapture.
Elijah was taken up into the heavens known as the atmosphere. Elijah later wrote a letter to king Jehoram ten years after he was taken up into the sky in a whirlwind.

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Are you denying the humanity of Christ? Was he not a man for whom you claim the Sabbath was made? I believe Christ was laying the law aside.

Mark 2:26-28
In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

You don't understand the significance of what He said. No, He NEVER laid the law aside.

 

[Blade]

Not sure why some say 10.. the law was 613. You keep ALL of you fail in all. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Yes.. Gods word.. period. Yet I am in right standing with my Father. I am right now pure holy sinless. Because I believe in Christ Jesus. That is how the Father sees me now. NO FREEDOM to sin lol. The Father is faithful to what Christ FINISHED on that Cross. When Christ said those words I posted not ONE was a Christian. No Church all were STILL under 613 laws. Like the sweet sweet Holy Spirit said by Paul..its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. I have put on the NEW man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Yet I can still sin miss it hurt my Father. So I confess my sins and He is faithful to forgive me and cleans me from ALL unrighteousness.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Wrt salvation, there is neither Jew nor Greek, ie both are saved from hell by faith in Christ Jesus.
....... Wrt walking in the Spirit after coming to faith in Christ, Gentile Christians < Jewish Christians. (1CORINTHIANS.3:1-3) Paul called the Gentile Corinthian Christians as "babes in Christ" = babies do not really know how to walk.

All the 12 apostles were Jewish Christians, personally chosen by Jesus Christ. None were Gentile Christians. Even Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, was a Jewish Christian, and not a Gentile Christian. So, in God's eyes, Jewish Christians > Gentile Christians. ...

REVELATION.21:14 = The New Jerusalem ...
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Yes, it is true that Jews are given favor because salvation is of the Jews. But the Gentiles were grafted into the tree. They will one day be Jews physically because they will be resurrected after the DNA of Jesus Christ (Who is a Jew). Also, Paul talks about how a believer in general can be a Jew inwardly.

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise isnot of men, but of God." (Romans 2:29).

Yes, there is the land promise that is going to be given to certain Israelites. Yes, the 144,000 are all Jewish. But nowhere does Scripture suggest that Jews have any more capability to obey God by the Spirit than Gentiles.

On the contrary, Paul says to a Gentile church,

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).

Anyways, what you need to know is that...

After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:

How so?

Here are a List of Verses:

“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38).

”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

"...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62).

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).

“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).

”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).

”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

”Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation [i.e. as the people of Israel did when they rebelled against him in the desert.”] (Hebrews 3:12-15) (Note: The explanation on verse 15 in brackets is taken from the Living Bible Translation (TLB)).

”Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)” (Hebrews 3:10-11).

”Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:11).

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not sure why some say 10.. the law was 613. You keep ALL of you fail in all. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Yes.. Gods word.. period. Yet I am in right standing with my Father. I am right now pure holy sinless. Because I believe in Christ Jesus. That is how the Father sees me now. NO FREEDOM to sin lol. The Father is faithful to what Christ FINISHED on that Cross. When Christ said those words I posted not ONE was a Christian. No Church all were STILL under 613 laws. Like the sweet sweet Holy Spirit said by Paul..its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. I have put on the NEW man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Yet I can still sin miss it hurt my Father. So I confess my sins and He is faithful to forgive me and cleans me from ALL unrighteousness.

Well, the sin and still be saved type belief is not biblical (if that is what you are suggesting here). 1 John 1:7 says that if you walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Walking = Keeping God's commandments (Compare 1 John 1:5-7 with 1 John 2:3-4, and 1 John 2:11).
The Light = God the Father
He is in the Light = Christ is in God the Father

So you have to keep God's commands in order for the blood of Jesus to continue to cleanse you.

It's also immoral to say that you can sin and still be saved. For can a believer be an axe murdering rapist who also abuses children and still be saved as long as they have a belief on Jesus? My guess is that you would not say they are saved. This means that you believe that there is a certain level of holiness required as a part of the salvation equation. That is your view on holiness. But God in His Word has already established a certain bare minimum requirement for the standard of holiness for us. It is preaching the gospel, and the keeping of the Moral Law (Which is to love God and to love your neighbor, i.e. all people including your enemies and the poor).

 

[discipler7]

Nobody has gone to Heaven yet. ...

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).

Bear in mind that John 3:13 was before the Cross of Christ, ie before the gates of heaven was opened by Jesus Christ.

God does not see things as past, present and future.

LUKE.23:43 =43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

2CORINTHIANS.12: = The Vision of Paradise
12 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.

 

[Saint Steven]

You don't understand the significance of what He said. No, He NEVER laid the law aside.

The context of the scripture in question is just one of many examples. See below.

The Pharisees confronted Jesus saying, "Look, why are [your disciples] doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" What was Jesus response? He implicated himself by using an example of unlawful behavior by David and his companions.

If this was not setting the law aside, I don't know what it was. Why would an example of unlawful behavior be a defense for gathering food on the Sabbath? If it was anyone else, we wouldn't hesitate to say they were living above the law.

Mark 2:23-28 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” 25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”