Is it possible we have been lied to for years?

[RileyG]

That's not completely true : https://immpolicytracking.org/media/documents/ACLU_Fact_Sheet_on_Denaturalization.pdf

And that doesn't mention his policy goals of ending, for example, birthright citizenship.

Given his track record on this and related areas (Muslim travel ban, anyone?) pretending that these policy concerns aren't legitimate seems to be a bit of gaslighting.

Ah, yes, because Islamic countries are known for being so welcoming and loving. Not.

 

[Bradskii]

What exactly is Trump going to do for women against their wishes. I believe this baby killing issue is in states hands not Trumps!

It's not that there's a list. It's the comment that's the problem. Don't you see that?

 

[Bradskii]

Truth doesn't change. Men and women are different. They bring different things to the table.

Nobody says otherwise.

You are saying that you wouldn't pull your daughter from the fire - even that was not what she wanted? Really?

If you're going to use 'arguments' like that then you're wasting your time and mine.

 

[Bradskii]

And then you installed an alarm system and camera's on both houses.

Not without discussing it with my wife as regards my house. And not without my daughter's permission on hers.

Let's keep it in context of what the President was saying shall we. He was addressing protecting them.

Whether they liked it or not. Don't know about where you live, but down here that's an attitude that will get you a lot of pushback. It's not how we operate. A comment like that from our PM would almost certainly see him removed from that position by his colleagues. Seems things are different across the Pacific.

 

[comana]

Trump loves all!

He's rather gracious and grandfatherly.

Even those who personally know him call him very generous.

I'm proud of our nation for voting him in!

Well he certainly has never shown that “he loves all”, but as a narcissistic, he I’m sure can be quite charming and generous to the loyal and for as long as it benefits him. He shows no “love” towards anyone who has disagreed with him or stood up to him . Those people fall into the disloyal category. Many of his previous cab and staff members have can attest to this behavior.

 

[RileyG]

Well he certainly has never shown that “he loves all”, but as a narcissistic, he I’m sure can be quite charming and generous to the loyal and for as long as it benefits him. He shows no “love” towards anyone who has disagreed with him or stood up to him . Those people fall into the disloyal category. Many of his previous cab and staff members have can attest to this behavior.

Your opinion is noted, and I respect that.

I don’t think he’s narcissistic. That’s just liberal propaganda.

My opinion only.

 

[comana]

I hope you never experience the displeasure of knowing a true narcissist.

 

[RileyG]

I hope you never experience the displeasure of knowing a true narcissist.

Oh, I have. Trust me, I have.

 

[comana]

Oh, I have. Trust me, I have.

Surprising. I guess supporters see what they want to see. I have nothing more to say about it.

 

[RileyG]

Surprising. I guess supporters see what they want to see. I have nothing more to say about it.

The MSM likes to twist and distort the truth because they are left leaning.

Remember when Trump praised H Clinton?

I have nothing further to add, either.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Nobody says otherwise.

Are you sure?

If you're going to use 'arguments' like that then you're wasting your time and mine.

You were the one who said that the response from your wife and daughter about you claiming to do what was best for them - whether they liked it or not - "wouldn't be good" or that it would be "off the Richter scale".

It sounds like you care more about how they feel than about what is best for them.

Or you would rather avoid what you consider to be unpleasant at the expense of what is best for them.

Why try to talk your wife out of smoking? She might get upset! That whole experience sounds unpleasant. Better to just lie down on the couch and say nothing. Besides - your favorite show is on!

I don't believe that is how God wants men to behave. Men are supposed to do what it best for everyone they are responsible for - whether they like it or not.

Men are supposed to do the hard things to achieve the better outcomes. Husbands and fathers especially - since they will be held accountable for how their marriage and children turn out.

 

[rambot]

That might be the role of your father and your husband, but please don't think that it automatically applies to anyone else. We've kinda moved on from there.

In my 30s i had several huuuge realizations like this. That families had some fundamentally different structures than mine.

 

[JSRG]

And that doesn't mention his policy goals of ending, for example, birthright citizenship.

It's not all that radical of an idea; I don't think any European country offers birthright citizenship to the extent the United States does.

I don't think Trump can do that, though. It would seem to contradict the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. I think you'd need a constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship.

At any rate, as a response to the statement "Trump doesn't have anything against legal immigrants" (emphasis original) this argument seems to fail, because Trump's plan, as far as I can tell, is to try to end birthright citizenship of illegal immigrants. So supposedly the plan is, according to a New York Times article I can't access but I have seen people quote, "to stop issuing citizenship-affirming documents, like passports and Social Security cards, to infants born on domestic soil to undocumented migrant parents in a bid to end birthright citizenship." Note the mention of "undocumented migrant parents", which is just a euphemism for illegal immigrants. So even here, it's not taking any action against legal immigrants, but illegal ones.

EDIT: A more clear quote from Trump himself: "President Trump will sign an Executive Order to stop federal agencies from granting automatic U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal aliens." So again, it's concerning illegal immigrants.

 

[Aaron112]

It sounds like you care more about how they feel than about what is best for them.

Noting the title of this thread, wives and husbands, women , men and children, have all been lied to for (most likely) all of their lives, with FEW exceptions. So if the husband learns this and learns what is right and true, and starts living by what is right and true, unless the wife is willing, it will end in divorce or worse possibly. Wanting to know and to do what is right and true is sheer grace, a gift, few choose.

 

[Bradskii]

Are you sure?

You were the one who said that the response from your wife and daughter about you claiming to do what was best for them - whether they liked it or not - "wouldn't be good" or that it would be "off the Richter scale".

It sounds like you care more about how they feel than about what is best for them.

I don't not make decisions on their behalf because I'm concerned about their reaction. I don't do it because to do so would be disrespectful. I really don't get the attitude that says 'I'll be making the decisions and I expect you to go along with them'.

I don't believe that is how God wants men to behave. Men are supposed to do what it best for everyone they are responsible for - whether they like it or not.

Just don't try pushing that ancient barrow around these parts.

 

[rambot]

It sounds like you care more about how they feel than about what is best for them.

What specific deficiency do they lack that makes them unable to figure that out for themselves?

 

[Zaha Torte]

In my 30s i had several huuuge realizations like this. That families had some fundamentally different structures than mine.

The structure of the family does not change the role of the man at all.

And if the structure is completely different - can it still be considered a "family"?

 

[comana]

The structure of the family does not change the role of the man at all.

And if the structure is completely different - can it still be considered a "family"?

To be a family doesn’t require a man be included. Family is more varied than man-woman-child. As far as a man’s role, well that depends on the family and their concept of each partner’s role.

 

[Zaha Torte]

To be a family doesn’t require a man be included. Family is more varied than man-woman-child.

I agree - but one that does not have a man is a "broken family". Same if there is no woman.

The ideal is a husband and wife becoming a father and a mother. Anything else is less than ideal and is "broken".

Broken things can be fixed - but they require the piece that was lost.

As far as a man’s role, well that depends on the family and their concept of each partner’s role.

People don't get to decide these roles. Husbands and wives are not "partners".

People might claim that those roles should be "equal" - but when there is a bump in the night - we all know that the man - if he is able-bodied - should be the one checking it out.

Any able-bodied man who allows his woman to check it for him will be ridiculed - it is because we don't get to decide these roles.

 

[comana]

I agree - but one that does not have a man is a "broken family". Same if there is no woman.

The ideal is a husband and wife becoming a father and a mother. Anything else is less than ideal and is "broken".

Broken things can be fixed - but they require the piece that was lost.

People don't get to decide these roles. Husbands and wives are not "partners".

People might claim that those roles should be "equal" - but when there is a bump in the night - we all know that the man - if he is able-bodied - should be the one checking it out.

Any able-bodied man who allows his woman to check it for him will be ridiculed - it is because we don't get to decide these roles.

Husbands and wives are partners. Men, especially those interpreting roles from a religious viewpoint, have infantilized women thus elevating their role. There is more to dealing with the unknown than strength alone. Work as a team instead of putting it all on the male. (This isn’t only about the hypothetical intruder but navigating life in general)