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Is it okay to date another Christian whose been divorced?

Is it okay to date another Christian whose been divorced?

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  • No

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I'm the least in the kingdom at the moment, I have much to be chastised for.

Hope you don't see this as me chastising you, I'm not, just trying to help you figure out what you can and cannot do, and to the best of my knowledge.

Chastising is not up to me at all. Like I said before, I've probably done worse.

Best I can tell the divorce is not on you.

The fornication afterward is done, ask forgiveness and it's really done, as you are no longer living in that sin and forgiven. So unless there is something else your ok now, but the future is what you need to concern yourself with.
 
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It is NOT perpetual!! Not only that Paul teaches that if you are a believer and your spouse is not a believer and she leaves you, you are no longer BOUND to that marriage.

Was that the case here? If so, I missed it.

And saying it isn't perpetual doesn't make it so. Can you give scripture to back that? I'd love to clear that up.
 
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I'm the least in the kingdom at the moment, I have much to be chastised for.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven…” (Matthew 5:19).

Notice here in this verse it does not actually say that this person who breaks the least of these commands (and teaches others to do so) is IN the kingdom of heaven. It merely says that they will be CALLED the least in the kingdom of heaven.

But what about Matthew 11:11?

“Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matthew 11:11).

Who is the least in Matthew 11:11?

The "Lesser" or the "Least" in Matthew 11:11 is talking about the "Greatest" in the Kingdom. How so?

Jesus says,
“And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.” (Luke 9:46).

Jesus says,
“But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.” (Matthew 23:11).

And it is written,
33 “And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?
34 But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.
35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,
37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.” (Mark 9:33-37).

Here we see in the Scripture verses above that the Least in the Kingdom of Heaven is the greatest within Matthew 11:11. For the Least in Matthew 11:11 is the one who accepts, loves, and ministers to all people including children and they are a servant (i.e. least) to all people in humbleness. Those who behave as though they are lesser or least in the Kingdom are ACTUALLY the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. For those who serve in God’s Kingdom in the New Covenant by loving others is better than the greatest of the prophets such as John the Baptist. For John followed the Old Covenant ways. For John was the last of the Old Testament prophets.

However, the "Least" in Matthew 5:19 are those who break God’s commands and teach others are Least in a bad way.

How so? The rest of Scripture gives us the testimony that breaking God’s Commandments is bad and not good.

John says,
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:4)

John says,
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

Jesus says,
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me you who practice lawlessness.'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

In fact, Christ says that He will send His angels and gather out of His Kingdom all who sin and practice lawlessness and cast them into the furnace of fire.

Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire." (Matthew 13:41-42)

Jesus tells us that by keeping His commands, it shows whether or not we truly love Him or not.

For Jesus says,
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me." (John 14:21)

And Jesus says,
"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words."(John 14:23-24).

Paul says,
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing.” (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Paul says,
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

Conclusion: There are Two Leasts.

Matthew 5:19 and Matthew 11:11 are talking about the word “Least” from two different behavioral perspectives. One being bad because of bad behavior (Matthew 5:19) and the other being good because of good behavior (Matthew 11:11). This is not uncommon for the Word of God to speak of one thing as being mentioned as being both good and bad. There are two trees in the Garden. One good and one bad. There are two lions. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah and the roaring lion who seeks to devour you. There are two vines. The True Vine and the Vine of Sodom. There are also two “Leasts” in Scripture, as well. There are the “Least” who are the Greatest by Being the Least in Behavior and then there are the “Least” who break God’s Commands and teach others to do so.

I hope this helps.
May God bless you in all manner of His goodness.
And please be well.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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That's good to know.

I've really failed and created a mess.

So where is your heart now. Are you looking for sympathy, or do you really want to become a Christian.
 
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To argue that a person in a physically abusive marriage. 1/3rd of all women killed in the USA are murdered by their husbands. To suggest that a wife who escapes a dangerously abusive relationship can never remarry is abhorrent.

You are doing the same thing they do in abortion arguments, treating exception to the rule as the rule. There will always be exceptions but that doesn't mean the way exceptions are treated applies to the general rules.
 
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What you need is to be filled with the Spirit. You've quenched Him for most of your life. So, of course you are weak.

I was filled before her death, God did this so that I could love her as her illness was turning her back into a child with their needs.

I abstained from sex and began talking to her about it, but she was so reliant on me and with her circumstance having a mother who rejected her and a dad who died 10 years prior. I literately was the only one that could help her as she was passing (House, food, care all out of love). And she saw me as the only one who cared. God kept me from knowing she was passing. Only now I see it.

I was at my parents 4 days prior to her death, I left her during our worst poverty. She was couch bound and I was sleeping on the couch with her for months and I had just lost my Job taking too much time off caring for her.

I couldn't be away from her sight, she was so scared so traumatized.

She lost the will to live and I became her complete security despite me explaining we must put God first.

I was afraid of her suicidal threats and needed help to care for her, I was going to try do this as best friends, but it was too late.

She was too ill and weak of mind to understand. She disintegrated rapidly over 12 months.

I found her dead on the ground in our house.

He soul was terrified
 
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So where is your heart now. Are you looking for sympathy, or do you really want to become a Christian.

That was an expression of heart towards God. It's not easy wearing my rags publicly to my brothers and sisters.
 
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You are doing the same thing they do in abortion arguments, treating exception to the rule as the rule. There will always be exceptions but that doesn't mean the way exceptions are treated applies to the general rules.

Do you know Peter addressed the issue of abusive husbands, and divorce didn't enter into it as an answer. The heart of Paul would say to "separate."
 
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After you were filled, God made it easy for you to abstain from sex. From then on I think you did the right thing in God's eyes by helping her and showing her God's love too.
 
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You are doing the same thing they do in abortion arguments, treating exception to the rule as the rule. There will always be exceptions but that doesn't mean the way exceptions are treated applies to the general rules.

No I am not... some of you on here are saying adultery is the only reason for a divorce and #1 scripture proves that to be false
and #2 if you are advocating that a spouse stay in a dangerous physically abusive relationship you are loony
 
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Was that the case here? If so, I missed it.

And saying it isn't perpetual doesn't make it so. Can you give scripture to back that? I'd love to clear that up.


Sure as soon as you provide one that proves that it is... YOU are making the assertion that it is....

Did G-d command David to divorce Bathsheba? No he did not. Would G-d have allowed David to bein a relationship AS KING if his relationship with Bathsheba was perpetual adultery? NO WAY!!!!
 
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Sorry but that is error. HaShem gave Israel her divorce decree. It was not until a PHYSICAL DEATH occured that Israel could become ELIGIBLE to remarry. If HaShem had brought Israel back and allowed her to be presented as a bride to Yeshua he would be allowing Yeshua to partake in Adultery....

Yeshua's death FREED Israel and HaShem to pursue her without it bean an adulterous relationship.

The issue for humans is, is being married a second time perpetual adultery and my opinion is NO.
 
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No I am not... some of you on here are saying adultery is the only reason for a divorce and #1 scripture proves that to be false
and #2 if you are advocating that a spouse stay in a dangerous physically abusive relationship you are loony

Do you know Peter addressed the issue of abusive husbands, and divorce didn't enter into it as an answer. The heart of Paul would say to "separate."
 
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Wow. Do you think I, a 54 year-old woman, who was forced to divorce from her husband, against her will, would recommend this attitude?
All I am saying is that there are some very difficult situations out there.
My husband was schizophrenic, and an abuser.
Yet I was willing to die at my post.
When he left me, suddenly, the light went on. I realized all his accusations of me being the problem in our marriage, weren't true after all.

It took me 14 years to come to the realization that I am actually free from this horrible, dead weight of a dead marriage. I do NOT have to take him back if he wants to return! I am actually FREE!

The unbeliever departed, and I was not at peace, until I found out I really was free.
1Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
 
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Polly, my husband was abusive too, and I too said the same thing. "Even if he kills me, I won't sin against God."

God honored that stance in both of us and caused us to be free, by both of these "Christian" in name only, men leaving us. I want you to see a prophecy given to me one week before he said he was leaving.

"I release you.

I release you into all that God has for you.

And that you would be moved into a large place.

And God would begin to set you in,

and set your feet in,

and plant you in,

and reposition you in

this large place He is placing you,

and that there you would take responsibility to enlarge yourself;

do the things the Lord our God has called you to do,

and that there you would make yourself available to be

among those new breed of trailblazers God is going to raise up,

and that you would be a woman who forgets the past;

drop it off;

drop off everything of the past

and then embrace the new,

that your eyes would be opened by the Spirit of God,

that you would see a road and a way in the wilderness for people

as God has shown you a road and a way in your wilderness,

and that you would be a woman who sees rivers in the desert

as God has provided rivers for you when you were in your dry places

and it would require you to move to a new level of obedience. "
 
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Actually, BukiRob, physical union by itself does not create a marriage.
Otherwise, fornication would not be sin.

Marriage requires a commitment, and that commitment must be communicated in a way the social sturcture of the culture understands and respects.
To enter into a marriage is to enter into a social covenant before God and before the community, doing whatever the culture agrees is the way to solemnize such a covenant.

In Isaac's day, just taking Rebekah into a tent constituted establishing a marriage covenant.
In Jesus' day, they no longer did it that way. There was a marriage ceremony and a feast... which Jesus attended and evidently supported as good. (He didn't go trying to correct their way of solemnizing marriage, telling them to do it like Isaac did!)
 
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Even in Old Covenant times, the Law was not applied as strictly as we would think.
David was an adulterer, and he was not put to death for it.
 
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