Is it okay to date another Christian whose been divorced?

[PollyJetix]

I'm not talking about Saddam Hussein, I'm talking about GOD'S anointed.

It's interesting to me that God even said Cyrus was anointed.
What does it mean, to be anointed by God, to be a king?
Does it mean simply to be chosen by God?
Daniel 4:17 "...the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

 

[1stcenturylady]

It's interesting to me that God even said Cyrus was anointed.
What does it mean, to be anointed by God, to be a king?
Does it mean simply to be chosen by God?
Daniel 4:17 "...the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

I don't know. But choosing a foreign King to bring about God's will and punishment, is different than the anointing of a King of God's chosen people.

 

[PollyJetix]

Yes, that is willful sin. They have trampled on the Spirit of Grace. However, are they all the way back to perdition - not capable of repenting?

I don't think we need to know how far they have sinned... or whether they can repent or not. That really belongs to God alone.

It is enough, for our purposes, to know that they are unbelievers.
Because if the unbeliever departs, the believing spouse is not under bondage. Because God has called us to peace.

There is no room in I Corinthians 7 for a believing husband to depart from his wife.
If a husband departs from his wife, he is an unbeliever.

 

[PollyJetix]

I don't know. But choosing a foreign King to bring about God's will and punishment, is different than the anointing of a King of God's chosen people.

Perhaps.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I don't think we need to know how far they have sinned... or whether they can repent or not. That really belongs to God alone.

It is enough, for our purposes, to know that they are unbelievers.
Because if the unbeliever departs, the believing spouse is not under bondage. Because God has called us to peace.

There is no room in I Corinthians 7 for a believing husband to depart from his wife.
If a husband departs from his wife, he is an unbeliever.

I wouldn't use 1 Corinthians 7 for your point. It doesn't say that.

 

[PollyJetix]

I wouldn't use 1 Corinthians 7 for your point. It doesn't say that.

It gives room for a Christian wife to separate from her husband, and to either be reconciled to him, or else to remain single...

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband:
and let not the husband put away his wife.

Now, look at what it says to those who have unbelieving spouses:

1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

There is no space in there for a believing husband to put away his believing wife.

 

[1stcenturylady]

It gives room for a Christian wife to separate from her husband, and to either be reconciled to him, or else to remain single...


Now, look at what it says to those who have unbelieving spouses:



There is no space in there for a believing husband to put away his believing wife.

Right, two believers can't divorce.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

And I am convinced that no one can commit adultery, and remain a Christian.

Yes, that is willful sin. They have trampled on the Spirit of Grace. However, are they all the way back to perdition - not capable of repenting?

Neither one is free to marry. What part of Jesus's words do you not understand?

If that is the case then I'm not a christian?

I somehow find that hard to believe.

There is forgiveness and Jesus will keep those who belong to Him.

It's not our rags that are presented to the Father its Jesus' pure robes of His anointing sacrifice.

The gospel is Good news, the law has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus so that we may live in Him.

We are the awaited bride for the marriage in Heaven.

Our deeds in the flesh will be tried by fire.

And to doubt salvation is to doubt the ability of the Holy Spirit, Jesus, the Father to sanctify us unto death.



32 y/o and if I become celibate I will have no children, if its God's will for me so be it.

 

[PollyJetix]

If that is the case then I'm not a christian?

I somehow find that hard to believe...

When you were actively leaving your first wife, you were not a Christian at that time.
You said so yourself.

However, you repented of your sins, and became a Christian later.
Adultery, just like any other sin you can repent from, can be forgiven.

 

[PollyJetix]

Right, two believers can't divorce.

However, 1 Corinthians 7 DOES say a Christian wife, if she separates from her husband, needs to either be reconciled, or remain single.
But Paul does not leave that option for a Christian husband.

 

[Light of the East]

If that is the case then I'm not a christian?

Did I say that? Did I say anything close to that? Sheeeesh!!!!

I somehow find that hard to believe.

There is forgiveness and Jesus will keep those who belong to Him.

Where do you get such an idea that we can just ignore Christ's words, continue in sin, and expect that everything will be hunky-dorey?

It's not our rags that are presented to the Father its Jesus' pure robes of His anointing sacrifice.

Luther's heresy. Not true. God does not deal in deception. He deals with us as we are. If we die in sin, He sees that sin and deals with it. If it is venial sin, we enter into purgation for our final cleansing. If it is mortal sin, we lose our relationship with the Father and are cast out of the Kingdom. Sin is a serious thing, so serious that Christ died a bloody, horrible, and painful death to defeat it. You have made it of little consequence by your statement.

The gospel is Good news, the law has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus so that we may live in Him.

So the law is fulfilled so that we can live any way we wish? I think you should realize that if we live "in Him" it means that we will be obedient to His commands and not to our disordered passions.

We are the awaited bride for the marriage in Heaven.

Yes. Don't stain your white wedding garment with the blackness of sin.

Our deeds in the flesh will be tried by fire.

Purgation after death. First correct thing you have said here.

And to doubt salvation is to doubt the ability of the Holy Spirit, Jesus, the Father to sanctify us unto death.

If you mean that we cannot forfeit our inheritance in the Kingdom through our willful sins, then that is a heretical statement and a denial of the principles of covenant.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If that is the case then I'm not a christian?

I somehow find that hard to believe.

There is forgiveness and Jesus will keep those who belong to Him.

It's not our rags that are presented to the Father its Jesus' pure robes of His anointing sacrifice.

The gospel is Good news, the law has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus so that we may live in Him.

We are the awaited bride for the marriage in Heaven.

Our deeds in the flesh will be tried by fire.

And to doubt salvation is to doubt the ability of the Holy Spirit, Jesus, the Father to sanctify us unto death.



32 y/o and if I become celibate I will have no children, if its God's will for me so be it.

From what you've told us, you weren't a Christian until you got the Holy Spirit while your girlfriend was sick. You've been celibate ever since, right? Not everyone who thinks they are a Christian, actually are. If you don't have the Spirit, you are not Christ's. Romans 8:9

1. You're saved.
2. You're free to marry in the Lord.

I don't give permission lightly, because I don't want to cause anyone to sin. So, if all you've said is true, and the timing is such, then you have my blessing. And your ex-wife is okay too.

Now stop fretting, and be free to love. But this time wait for the wedding night. LOL

 

[Light of the East]

When you were actively leaving your first wife, you were not a Christian at that time.
You said so yourself.

However, you repented of your sins, and became a Christian later.
Adultery, just like any other sin you can repent from, can be forgiven.

Not if you continue unabated in it. Repentance means turning away from.

 

[Light of the East]

From what you've told us, you weren't a Christian until you got the Holy Spirit while your girlfriend was sick. You've been celibate ever since, right?

1. You're saved.
2. You're free to marry in the Lord.

I don't give permission lightly, because I don't want to cause anyone to sin. So, if all you've said is true, and the timing is such, then you have my blessing. And your ex-wife is okay too.

If he was married, the only way he will be "free to marry" is to have the first marriage declared null, that is, a declaration of the fact that a valid sacramental marriage never took place.

Other than that, he is distinctly NOT free to get re-married. And shame on you for encouraging another into disobeying the clear words of Christ in the scriptures!

 

[I'm_Sorry]

When you were actively leaving your first wife, you were not a Christian at that time.
You said so yourself.

However, you repented of your sins, and became a Christian later.
Adultery, just like any other sin you can repent from, can be forgiven.

So the Holy Spirit left me? I find that hard to accept? I received the Spirit at 21 y/o.

If a sin is forgiven surly that means your sin is wiped away with the blood of Jesus. So can you can try again if you're absolved from your previous marriage (forgiven)? A relationship with the opposite sex is not evil, in the beginning.

E.g. IF I get drunk should I never touch alcohol again, not even for the stomach?

The marriage was drunk.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sure as soon as you provide one that proves that it is...

OK

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Did G-d command David to divorce Bathsheba? No he did not. Would G-d have allowed David to bein a relationship AS KING if his relationship with Bathsheba was perpetual adultery? NO WAY!!!!

Divorce was allowed in the old testament...Christ made some changes.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If he was married, the only way he will be "free to marry" is to have the first marriage declared null, that is, a declaration of the fact that a valid sacramental marriage never took place.

Other than that, he is distinctly NOT free to get re-married. And shame on you for encouraging another into disobeying the clear words of Christ in the scriptures!

He wasn't a Christian before. He is now. ALL OF HIS SINS, INCLUDING THE DIVORCE IS UNDER THE BLOOD. Now he is to go and sin no more (fornicating). He is a NEW CREATURE and all things have become new.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Catholic

Ok brother, I'm sorry but there is no way we can meet on gospel grounds.

You're a catholic and salvation is within the Church and mary is an idol and the pope is a false christ.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So the Holy Spirit left me? I find that hard to accept? I received the Spirit at 21 y/o.

If a sin is forgiven surly that means your sin is wiped away with the blood of Jesus. So can you can try again if you're absolved from your previous marriage (forgiven)? A relationship with the opposite sex is not evil, in the beginning.

E.g. IF I get drunk should I never touch alcohol again, not even for the stomach?

The marriage was drunk.

So, how old were you when you said you received the Spirit. I thought you said it was when your friend was sick.

 

[PollyJetix]

So the Holy Spirit left me? I find that hard to accept? I received the Spirit at 21 y/o.

If a sin is forgiven surly that means your sins are wiped away with the blood of Jesus. So can you can try again if you're absolved from your previous marriage (forgiven)? A relationship with the opposite sex is not evil, in the beginning.

E.g. IF I get drunk should I never touch alcohol again, not even for the stomach?

The marriage was drunk.

Here, we are stepping into territory that has to do with eternal security, etc. A different topic of discussion.
I am of the persuasion that, yes, Spirit-filled believers can walk away from their relationship with God, and can become lost again. And the Holy Spirit can be so offended by sin that He withdraws himself.

The command to "be filled with the Spirit" was made to believers.
Therefore, it is for US to pursue being filled, and remaining filled.
It doesn't happen automatically.

And the warning not to grieve the Holy Ghost was also made to believers.

However, you could not come back to God unless the Holy Spirit was drawing you.
Therefore, I would venture that you had an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from God... being hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Hebrews 3:12-13

But it was by His grace that He drew you back to Himself.
He didn't throw you away completely, but gave you a second chance.
God loves to give second chances.