Is it okay to date another Christian whose been divorced?

Is it okay to date another Christian whose been divorced?

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Lybrah

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I know the bible says that if a man divorces his wife and marries another, then he and that new woman are adulterers. But in this day and age, it is extremely hard not to meet someone who is divorced. Especially when you are older. Are there any exceptions? I don't want to commit adultery!
 

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I know the bible says that if a man divorces his wife and marries another, then he and that new woman are adulterers. But in this day and age, it is extremely hard not to meet someone who is divorced. Especially when you are older. Are there any exceptions? I don't want to commit adultery!

Nobody makes rules for you that you must follow.
Not nobody.
 
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I know the bible says that if a man divorces his wife and marries another, then he and that new woman are adulterers. But in this day and age, it is extremely hard not to meet someone who is divorced. Especially when you are older. Are there any exceptions? I don't want to commit adultery!

Lybrah, If you are into reading a deep study of what the NT says about divorce and remarriage, I started a thread here on the subject:
Divorce and Remarriage
 
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Nobody makes rules for you that you must follow.
Not nobody.

So, is it ok or not ok? :)

Lybrah, I don't think the day and age matter. There are those that might say, "This is the 21 century, what's wrong with people, still believing in a God, we need to start thinking for ourselves" or something like that. I've heard statements along those lines anyway, and time or because something is more difficult at one time or place than another, really doesn't change whats expected of us.

That said, it really is a tough rule, and at the onset it appears to be a serious threat to salvation if we do that. On the other hand, I'm not sure if we can be forgiven of ongoing/by choice sin like that...perpetual sin. I'd guess not, but once again this is a tough one for people to bear. Maybe I just find is so hard to believe people have to live alone over something that was once ok to do, and though I do see the truth, it's a tendency for me to think I might be wrong.

Thing is, the way Christ described it, in that God intended people to to be together until death even way back then, yet it was acceptable to leave your spouse, makes me wonder. It was adultery even then, but people could still be in Gods favor if they divorced/remarried, so is it that now?

But do we want to take our chances on being wrong if we feel it is forgivable and won't hurt our salvation? Could be costly.

Just some thoughts....wish I had some definite answers for you, but ...
 
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Lybrah, If you are into reading a deep study of what the NT says about divorce and remarriage, I started a thread here on the subject:
Divorce and Remarriage

I read your initial post--thank you. I responded here because of the long train of comments you had. What about when Jesus said that whoever puts his wife aside is an adulterer and the new wife an adulteress? What about when he said that whoever looks at a woman and has lust in his heart has committed adultery in his head?
 
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No, it is not ongoing/perpetual sin for a divorced person to remarry.
A few, very strict, preachers teach that, including the ultra-conservative Mennonites, who I grew up among. HOWEVER. After thorough research, I was unable to find ONE good Greek scholar who agrees that's what the verb tense means.
 
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So, is it ok or not ok? :)

Lybrah, I don't think the day and age matter. There are those that might say, "This is the 21 century, what's wrong with people, still believing in a God, we need to start thinking for ourselves" or something like that. I've heard statements along those lines anyway, and time or because something is more difficult at one time or place than another, really doesn't change whats expected of us.

That said, it really is a tough rule, and at the onset it appears to be a serious threat to salvation if we do that. On the other hand, I'm not sure if we can be forgiven of ongoing/by choice sin like that...perpetual sin. I'd guess not, but once again this is a tough one for people to bear. Maybe I just find is so hard to believe people have to live alone over something that was once ok to do, and though I do see the truth, it's a tendency for me to think I might be wrong.

Thing is, the way Christ described it, in that God intended people to to be together until death even way back then, yet it was acceptable to leave your spouse, makes me wonder. It was adultery even then, but people could still be in Gods favor if they divorced/remarried, so is it that now?

But do we want to take our chances on being wrong if we feel it is forgivable and won't hurt our salvation? Could be costly.

Just some thoughts....wish I had some definite answers for you, but ...

I get what you are saying. Marrying divorced guy would be continuous sin. However, what if he had no control in the matter because the wife was determined to leave him and didn't want to work it out? He didn't want the divorce but it was forced upon him?
 
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Lybrah, If you are into reading a deep study of what the NT says about divorce and remarriage, I started a thread here on the subject:

I read some of that thread a few days ago, not sure if I posted or not. Just curious, what did the thread conclude on the issue, at least in line with what the OP here is concerned with? Or what direction did it tend to go...ok or not ok?
 
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No, it is not ongoing/perpetual sin for a divorced person to remarry.
A few, very strict, preachers teach that, including the ultra-conservative Mennonites, who I grew up among. HOWEVER. After thorough research, I was unable to find ONE good Greek scholar who agrees that's what the verb tense means.

Can you explain in some detail as to why it's not perpetual?
 
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I get what you are saying. Marrying divorced guy would be continuous sin. However, what if he had no control in the matter because the wife was determined to leave him and didn't want to work it out? He didn't want the divorce but it was forced upon him?

Unfortunately. the best I can gather, fornication was the only way out that allowed remarriage, at least as far as Christ was concerned.
 
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I read your initial post--thank you. I responded here because of the long train of comments you had. What about when Jesus said that whoever puts his wife aside is an adulterer and the new wife an adulteress? What about when he said that whoever looks at a woman and has lust in his heart has committed adultery in his head?

First of all, we must remember that what Jesus said about divorce and remarriage, he was saying to the Pharisees, who were supposed to be obeying the Law. Jesus never told anyone to disregard the Law of Moses. In fact, Jesus prefaced the Sermon on the Mount with,

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Therefore, the LAW concerning remarriage after divorce still was in effect (and will be as long as heaven and earth stand!) And Deuteronomy 24:1-4 tells us clearly that it was (is) NOT adultery for one who is divorced, to remarry.

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Notice that verse 2 explicitly gives PERMISSION to a woman, to remarry, if she has divorce papers in hand.
In fact, that seems to be the whole purpose of God's command for divorce papers.
God never gave a command to a man to divorce his wife... but if his heart was so hard as to turn her out (Jesus said it was for that reason he would do it!) then he had to give her papers setting her free SO SHE COULD REMARRY.

The only abomination in the whole scenario was not the divorce.
It wasn't even the remarriage.

The ONLY abomination before GOD was if former spouses would get back together, after marrying other spouses.

NOW, since Jesus did not come to do away with this law, what are we to think?
How can this law stand, in light of what He said?
Not one thing Jesus said, destroyed the law. Not. one. thing.

Now, if remarriage after divorce created a situation of continual adultery, then Jesus would have been saying all divorced and remarried couples were SUPPOSED to get back together!

Which would have been commanding us to commit what God said in the LAW, was an ABOMINATION.

Remember, in Romans 7: 7-12, Paul said that he could not have known sin, even in New Covenant times, except by the Law! He also said the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy, and just and good.

And in I John 3:4, John gives this NEW TESTAMENT definition of what sin is:
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

THEREFORE... What Jesus said to the Pharisees must be understood in context of who he was talking to, and what they were doing.
The Pharisees were pretending to keep the law, by looking for a fault--any fault would do-- in their wives, so they could divorce them, to go marry another one. They were looking for an excuse to be unfaithful to their wives.
And they were justifying it by the letter of the law!

And it was THIS heart attitude that Jesus was addressing.
He was not giving a new law. He was saying their putting-away-in-order-to-remarry was caused by a heart attitude of adultery against their wives.

We can look at the New Testament exactly the way the Pharisees looked at the Old.
We can go through it, picking through the words, creating rules and excuses.
And completely miss the whole picture.

Jesus was NOT saying that ANYONE who EVER divorces his wife, and remarries, is living in perpetual adultery. That would contradict the Law. It would destroy the Law.

What Jesus was saying was that anyone who puts away is wife, for the purpose of marrying his girlfriend, is committing adultery (unfaithfulness) against his wife. It was the heart Jesus was talking about.

But that only happens if someone is not a believer. Seriously. Anyone who claims to be a disciple of Jesus, and doesn't do what He says, is not His own.
 
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I read your initial post--thank you. I responded here because of the long train of comments you had. What about when Jesus said that whoever puts his wife aside is an adulterer and the new wife an adulteress? What about when he said that whoever looks at a woman and has lust in his heart has committed adultery in his head?
Also, remember that Jesus said the kind of lust that creates an adulterous offense before God, is not the kind that just occurs to the head. It's the intention to gaze... with lustful, leering imaginations... it's an intention to play out in the mind wickedness. This is not a thought that drops out of the sky into the head. It's an act, committed in the HEART.

However, remember that if we were held to the condemnation of the law, not one of us could stand forgiven today. Thank God for the grace of the cross!

This is the day of grace. Yes, the moral standard of what God loves and hates, still stands, because God never changes.

However, the day of grace extends a period in which God calls all to repent.

But one day in the future, God will expose the secrets of every heart. And on that day, those who are not forgiven through the cross of Christ, will have the condemnation of the Law lowered upon them. The death sentence will be executed by God Almighty, on Judgment Day.
 
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I know the bible says that if a man divorces his wife and marries another, then he and that new woman are adulterers. But in this day and age, it is extremely hard not to meet someone who is divorced. Especially when you are older. Are there any exceptions? I don't want to commit adultery!

If the Mans former wife committed adultery against Him then he is allowed to divorce her and marry another woman without being guilty of adultry.. If you read the actual verse you will see that the exception to the rule is when the partner has committed adultery..

Matthew 5: KJV
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"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

So if the wife was guilty of fornication ( sex outside the bounds of marriage/ cheating on him) then the mans divorce is supported by the Bible and thus you can marry Him without any concern for being an adulterer..

There are also other legitimate causes for divorce in the Bible.. Paul declared that if a Christian is married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever no longer wants to remain with the believer and leaves them then the Christian is no longer under bondage in that case and can go and remarry..

1 Corinthians 7: KJV
13 "And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. {14} For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. {15} But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."
 
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So, is it ok or not ok? :)
But do we want to take our chances on being wrong if we feel it is forgivable and won't hurt our salvation? Could be costly.
Just some thoughts....wish I had some definite answers for you, but ...

We live under the age of Grace.
Yo are not bound by any laws or rules
found in the Old Testament as they were.

As a response to what Jesus taught we are to remain
faithful to our spouses....if at all possible.

If somebody divorced their spouse lightly
in the past, then they may again.

Outsiders would be playing matchmaker
if they were to decide that you should date whom.

Matchmaker, Matchmaker,
Make me a match,
Find me a find,
catch me a catch
Matchmaker, Matchmaker
Look through your book,
And make me a perfect match

Chava:
Matchmaker, Matchmaker,
I'll bring the veil,
You bring the groom,
Slender and pale.
Bring me a ring for I'm longing to be,
The envy of all I see.

Hodel:
For Papa,
Make him a scholar.

Chava:
For mama,
Make him rich as a king.

Chava and Hodel:
For me, well,
I wouldn't holler
If he were as handsome as anything.

Matchmaker, Matchmaker,
Make me a match,
Find me a find,
Catch me a catch,
Night after night in the dark I'm alone
So find me match,
Of my own.

Amazing-Yente-Fiddler-On-The-Roof-Of-Roofing-Companies-With-Moon-Roof.jpg


(spoken)

Tzeitel:
Since when are you in a match, Chava? I thought you just had your eye on your books.

(Hodel chuckles)

Tzeitel con't:
And you have your eye on the Rabbi's son.

Hodel:
Well, why not?
We only have one Rabbi and he only has one son.
Why shouldn't I want the best?

Tzeitel:
Because you're a girl from a poor family.
So whatever Yenta brings, you'll take, right?
Of course right!

(throws scarf over her head, imitating Yenta)
(singing)

Hodel, oh Hodel,
Have I made a match for you!
He's handsome, he's young!
Alright, he's 62.
But he's a nice man, a good catch, true?
True.

I promise you'll be happy,
And even if you're not,
There's more to life than that---
Don't ask me what.

Chava, I found him.
Won't you be a lucky bride!
He's handsome, he's tall,
That is from side to side.
But he's a nice man, a good catch, right?
Right.

You heard he has a temper.
He'll beat you every night,
But only when he's sober,
So you'll be alright.

Did you think you'd get a prince?
Well I'll find the best I can.
With no dowry, no money, no family background
Be glad you got a man!

Chava:
Matchmaker, Matchmaker,
You know that I'm
Still very young.
Please, take your time.

Hodel:
Up to this minute,
I misunderstood
That I could get stuck for good.
 
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It is also very important to remember that God forgives even adultery.
And from the moment we repent from the heart, God has wiped the slate clean.

Look at the early church.
They lived in a society that was FULL of divorce and remarriage!
The Jewish culture--ruled by the Pharisees--had divorce as easy as the husband writing a paper, stating his wife was divorced.
The Roman and Greek cultures were also full of divorce and remarriage. In fact, one Roman historian said that fashionable Roman women traded off husbands yearly.

Yet, in ALL of the New Testament, NOT ONCE is there any instruction as to how to deal with these "problematic" remarriage situations, from new believers coming into the church.
And there were thousands at a time, coming in!

The early church grew exponentially, even in divorce-and-remarriage cultures!

And never did Paul tell the church to see those marriages any differently than those who were lifetime partners. Not once did God give a command through Paul, to make sure those divorce-and-remarriage-situations got broke up. Never.

Because they weren't viewed as wrong.
Bottom line.

When divorce happens, it's because of sin.
Hardness of heart. Adultery.
And that happens only in unbelievers.
In fact, Paul states clearly that IF we as unbelievers become hard and evil-hearted, we are departing from God!

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.

Some think they will just do the act of divorce-to-remarry, intending to repent.
But that's not real repentance. That's putting God to the test. God forbids that.

After divorce and remarriage, if true repentance comes, God forgives the act of the heart, of unfaithfulness. And from that point, God takes us from where we are.

Former murderers are not required to raise their victims.
God doesn't see them as murderers anymore.

Former liars are not required to unspeak their lies.
God does not see them as liars anymore.

And former adulterers-in-heart are not required to break up their current homes.
God doesn't see them as adulterers anymore.
 
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We live under the age of Grace.
Yo are not bound by any laws or rules
found in the Old Testament as they were.
Not biblical. Not by the New Testament.

Rom 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (so) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

We are no longer under the law, but under grace, IF we are in Christ. And those in Christ, are empowered to fulfill the righteous standard of the moral code of the Law of Moses.
Because the Law was revealed to show us the holiness of God.
God does not change.
What was once holy behavior, will forever be holy behavior.
What was once unholy behavior, will forever be unholy behavior.

We don't do what God requires to become righteous.
We instead count it a privilege--since Jesus made us righteous--to be allowed to stand in the presence of a holy God, loving all of Who He is--and WANTING to mirror His Holiness.
In every act. Every thought. Every word.

It's not about trying to keep rules.
It's about getting to be like Jesus.
 
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Not biblical. Not by the New Testament.



We are no longer under the law, but under grace, IF we are in Christ. And those in Christ, are empowered to fulfill the righteous standard of the moral code of the Law of Moses.
Because the Law was revealed to show us the holiness of God.
God does not change.
What was once holy behavior, will forever be holy behavior.
What was once unholy behavior, will forever be unholy behavior.

We don't do what God requires to become righteous.
We instead count it a privilege--since Jesus made us righteous--to be allowed to stand in the presence of a holy God, loving all of Who He is--and WANTING to mirror His Holiness.
In every act. Every thought. Every word.

It's not about trying to keep rules.
It's about getting to be like Jesus.

Jesus had no disdain for widows, divorced, women, lawyers, fishermen, prostitutes, children, sick, lame, or bodybuilders.
He never made any judgments about who should associate with whom or who should get married.

Do unto divorced people, just as you would like to be treated by them.

Your hostilities to certain types of people are over-ruled. ---->Mathew 7: 12
 
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Well the divorced person is living in sin if they marry you because they are still technically married to their ex according to God. Some may claim its not a sin to remarry when divorced but remember the world we live in. Sometimes we as christians will twist the bible to fit our modern day struggles. And since divorce is common in america, christians now think its ok to marry if your divorced. They don't see it as a sin. Where as christians 100 years ago would find that crazy.

Its not different then other hot topics like abortion or LGBT. 100 years ago being ok with such things would get you kicked out of a church. But today many christians embrace those lifestyles/life choices and say its ok to do.

In other words you can either date this christian man whos divorced and in sin and be modern. Or you can find someone else and obey the Word which never changes to what modern views are. We as christians can only serve one master. Not both. Noy saying if someone remarried/marries someone that is divorced that they are serving the devil or anything. However they are are giving into the world views because of peer pressure.

When I was dating online I ignored anyone who said they were divorced. Doesn't matter if they initiated the divorce or not. Only exception I made is if they were a widow. Becuase in that case your spouse died and you are no longer marry.

If you feel you don't want to date him because of what you believe is right as a christian then I'd stick with that feeling because the Holy Spirit is telling you whats right and wrong. Don't be swayed by world views. I will say... to be fair if you did date and eventually marry him it won't send you to hell however expect punishment for it when you stand before God. We can lose "treasures" in heaven. Not sure what those treasures are but I don't want to find out!
 
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