Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
God says the Sabbath is MY holy day. Isa 58:13 Exo 20:10 not the Sabbath of Moses and the Israelites. God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 32:16, Exo 31:18 Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 not Moses. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the Greek word here means mankind.

The Sabbath started from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 way before Moses, the Sabbath was kept over 1300 years later after Moses by Jesus, the apostles and His followers and Jesus in His own Words says the Sabbath will continue forever for those saved Isa 66:22-23

Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56- hard to make the argument it is only for Moses and his era. Especially when scripture tells us to walk as Jesus walked who was faithful and kept all the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 just like Paul 1 Corinthians 11:1 and the apostles who kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4

and no scripture says this...

Sabbath as a covenant sign (613 commandments)

God's Covenant is the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Jerusalem is called "my holy mountain". Has that changed, in your view?

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 66:20 - New American Standard Bible

Then they shall bring all your countrymen from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules, and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the LORD, “just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the...

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SabbathBlessings · Nov 9, 2023

Leaf473 said:
Jerusalem is called "my holy mountain". Has that changed, in your view?

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 66:20 - New American Standard Bible

Then they shall bring all your countrymen from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules, and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the LORD, “just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the...

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Read it in context, its referring to the New Jerusalem.

Isa 66:22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth,
Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So will your descendants and your name endure.

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Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
Read it in context, its referring to the New Jerusalem.

Isa 66:22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth,
Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So will your descendants and your name endure.

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Okay... They're going to be doing burnt offerings in the New Jerusalem?

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56:7 - New American Standard Bible

Even those I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

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Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 2:3 - New American Standard Bible

And many peoples will come and say, “Come, let’s go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; So that He may teach us about His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go out from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

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SabbathBlessings · Nov 9, 2023

Leaf473 said:
Okay... They're going to be doing burnt offerings in the New Jerusalem?

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56:7 - New American Standard Bible

Even those I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

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We have been through this before....

Burnt offerings in prophecy represent prayers Rev 8:3-4

Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
We have been through this before....

Burnt offerings in prophecy represent prayers Rev 8:3-4

Because incense is offered with prayers, burnt offerings are the same as prayers?

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 8:3-4 - New King James Version

Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from...

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Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 3:4 - New American Standard Bible

I was crying out to the LORD with my voice, And He answered me from His holy mountain. Selah

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Is David thinking of the earthly Jerusalem there, or the Heavenly Jerusalem?

SabbathBlessings · Nov 9, 2023

Was Jesus in the earthy temple at the time of David or in His Heavenly Temple?

Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
Was Jesus in the earthy temple at the time of David or in His Heavenly Temple?

Prior to his incarnation, Jesus, as God the son, was with the Father. I don't know that he was in a particular location the way we think of location.

Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
That’s the problem with just throwing out scripture instead of carefully studying. Scripture will answer most of our questions, but not everyone uses the Bible that way.

Anyway, will bow out due to the same reasons as previously given. God bless and take care.

That's fine if you don't want to talk about it anymore

For anyone else who's interested, in this passage, God's holy mountain is clearly associated with early Jerusalem.

Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 9:16 - New American Standard Bible

Lord, in accordance with all Your righteous acts, let now Your anger and Your wrath turn away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; for because of our sins and the wrongdoings of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people have become an object of taunting to all those around us.

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So since "my holy mountain" can mean different things, "my holy day" very likely can as well.

SabbathBlessings · Nov 9, 2023

The context of Isaiah 66:22-23 which is what we are talking about is clear it’s not old Jerusalem, but we have free will to believe what we want. Jesus is making a New Heaven and a New Earth . Sabbath worship continues in His New Heaven and New Earth thus saith the Lord. This argument is with Someone much Greater than I and will leave you to it.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
The context of Isaiah 66:22-23 which is what we were talking about is clear its not old Jerusalem, but we have free will to believe what we want.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Let's go with the New Jerusalem in Isaiah 66 and Revelation 21. And it looks like the old Jerusalem in Daniel 9.

Thus, "my holy mountain" can refer to different things. It seems reasonable that "my holy day" could, as well.

SabbathBlessings · Nov 9, 2023

Leaf473 said:
Let's go with the New Jerusalem in Isaiah 66 and Revelation 21. And it looks like the old Jerusalem in Daniel 9.

Thus, "my holy mountain" can refer to different things. It seems reasonable that "my holy day" could, as well.

The post you were replying to was not talking about Daniel so your post is not in context. That said Daniel is a Prophetic book, and not an easy book to understand and goes hand in hand with Revelation.

Leaf473 · Nov 9, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
The post you were replying to was not talking about Daniel so your point is not in context. That said Daniel is a Prophetic book.

I understand your post was not about Daniel. In post #50 above, I cite Daniel 9, which also says "my holy mountain".

Daniel is generally a prophetic book, but in the first part of Daniel 9, Daniel is recounting past events.

Cribstyl · Nov 10, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
He will hold all of us accountable. Mat 5:19 I'm comfortable being accountable for teaching we should keep the commandments of God, the Sabbath is a commandment of God.

False teachings have made it impossible for some to accept biblical truths.
Heb 4 makes it clear that when, God rested at creation, no one was offered entrance into His rest. It's false to say or assume that Sabbath was instituted in creation for men to keep, or that anyone rested with God. The first people invited could not enter because of unbelief. The bible is confusing to those who must add to it.
Heb 3 teaches that believers have a heavenly calling to rest at the throne where Christ sits. in the house that He built as the High Priest. This is in contrast to the house that Moses built.

SabbathBlessings said:
Well lets look to scripture to see if the Sabbath commandment is not a Christian doctrine and one taught and kept every Sabbath by the apostles....

According to scripture the apostles kept every Sabbath teaching both Jews and Gentiles

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The gentiles asked for more gospel preaching next Sabbath, instead of asking for a different day of worship.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

So through God's Word clearly shows the Sabbath was observed every Sabbath preaching God's Word to all people.

Jesus says the same thing, the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

Christian doctrines are not reasoned, they're (mostly) written in the Epistles. The book of Acts was written by Luke. It's a timeline or sequence of events of the " ACTionS of THE APOSTLES. It begins with what Jesus said to His followers after His death and end with Paul being under house arrest. He was defending his action and writing doctrines to the churches.

Acts shows as God promised, that the gospel went to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles. Your posts shows that Paul went to where the Jews were gathered on Sabbath. Your commentary is a stunt and shameful at best. Why would I say that? Your mixture of old covenant and new covenant is disgusting.
The Epistle to the Romans is ripe with most of the doctrines of the church, especially the elementary doctrines.

SabbathBlessings said:
And if that's not clear enough again tells everyone to hold fast His covenant and not to profane His Sabbath

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

In the New Heaven and New Earth Jesus declares the Sabbath continues for worship to Him. I surely wouldn't want to miss this.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

These scriptures are prophetic words from OT that are misunderstood and misinterpreted by false teachings,

SabbathBlessings said:
So your statement that the Sabbath is not a Christian doctrine does not hold up to scripture. Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God.1 Cor 7:19 The Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken and written by God! The Sabbath was kept by His faithful followers according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Jesus kept the Sabbath, the apostles kept the Sabbath, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath, according to the commandment. Seems as though if we are to be followers of Christ we should too. 1 John 2:6

We all know why you cant stick with 1 passage at a time. You will ignore responses that exposes your handling of the bible.

SabbathBlessings said:
Well lets look to scripture to see if the Sabbath commandment is not a Christian doctrine and one taught and kept every Sabbath by the apostles....

According to scripture the apostles kept every Sabbath teaching both Jews and Gentiles

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The gentiles asked for more gospel preaching next Sabbath, instead of asking for a different day of worship.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

So through God's Word clearly shows the Sabbath was observed every Sabbath preaching God's Word to all people.

Jesus says the same thing, the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

And if that's not clear enough again tells everyone to hold fast His covenant and not to profane His Sabbath

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

In the New Heaven and New Earth Jesus declares the Sabbath continues for worship to Him. I surely wouldn't want to miss this.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So your statement that the Sabbath is not a Christian doctrine does not hold up to scripture. Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God.1 Cor 7:19 The Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken and written by God! The Sabbath was kept by His faithful followers according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Jesus kept the Sabbath, the apostles kept the Sabbath, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath, according to the commandment. Seems as though if we are to be followers of Christ we should too. 1 John 2:6

Oh my Gosh

Cribstyl · Nov 10, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
God says the Sabbath is MY holy day. Isa 58:13 Exo 20:10 not the Sabbath of Moses and the Israelites. God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 32:16, Exo 31:18 Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 not Moses. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the Greek word here means mankind.

The Sabbath started from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 way before Moses, the Sabbath was kept over 1300 years later after Moses by Jesus, the apostles and His followers and Jesus in His own Words says the Sabbath will continue forever for those saved Isa 66:22-23

Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56- hard to make the argument it is only for Moses and his era. Especially when scripture tells us to walk as Jesus walked who was faithful and kept all the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 just like Paul 1 Corinthians 11:1 and the apostles who kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4

and no scripture says this...

Sabbath as a covenant sign (613 commandments)

God's Covenant is the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

First of all, I've been addressing and refuting your commentary and the isolated text you use. You ignore my responses and make more ridiculous claims.

Bob S · Nov 26, 2023

Cribstyl said:
First of all, I've been addressing and refuting your commentary and the isolated text you use. You ignore my responses and make more ridiculous claims.

SB claims man will keep the Sabbath forever because of what Is tells us in Is 66:22-23. I would like to once again inform SB that -in Is 65 Isaiah tells us we will not live forever. We might live to be over 100 or maybe as long as a tree, but according to him we will certainly die at some point.

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;

Gary K · Nov 26, 2023

Bob S said:
SB claims man will keep the Sabbath forever because of what Is tells us in Is 66:22-23. I would like to once again inform SB that -in Is 65 Isaiah tells us we will not live forever. We might live to be over 100 or maybe as long as a tree, but according to him we will certainly die at some point.

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;

Revelation 21: 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Gary K · Nov 26, 2023

Daniel 12: 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Bob S · Nov 26, 2023

Gary K said:
Revelation 21: 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Yes Gary, I realize scripture tells us this, but scripture in Isaiah tells us something different. Scripture in the New Testament tells the Jews they are not under the Sabbath law. Scripture in Is 66 indicates we are. In Isaiah 65 Is indicates man will die in the new Earth.

When did Gentiles become subject to the Laws given at Sinai?

Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

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