Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

[Gary K]

Yes Gary, I realize scripture tells us this, but scripture in Isaiah tells us something different. Scripture in the New Testament tells the Jews they are not under the Sabbath law. Scripture in Is 66 indicates we are. In Isaiah 65 Is indicates man will die in the new Earth.

When did Gentiles become subject to the Laws given at Sinai?

So you like setting scripture against scripture. Why? Is God a liar? It couldn't possibly be figurative language in Isaiah? And Daniel agrees with John.

I gave a whole bunch scripture in another thread on God commanding the strangers and the Jews to have only one set of laws for everyone who wanted to worship the one true God.

 

[Bob S]

So you like setting scripture against scripture. Why?

Why do guesstimate what I like. Seems like that is poor debating. What does it accomplish Gary. Accusing others like that indicates .......

Is God a liar?

What kind of a stupid question is that?

It couldn't possibly be figurative language in Isaiah?

Is it also possible that the words in Is 66:22-24 are also figurative? If so, should SDAs be using them as one of their "PROOF" texts?

And Daniel agrees with John.

about what?

I gave a whole bunch scripture in another thread on God commanding the strangers and the Jews to have only one set of laws for everyone who wanted to worship the one true God.

Which didn't prove anything. God has never ever commanded any other nation to keep the laws dealing with rituals He gave Israel. There in no indication that God has ever demanded that Gentiles observe the ritual laws given to Israel, except for the the admonition given in Acts.

 

[Gary K]

Why do guesstimate what I like. Seems like that is poor debating. What does it accomplish Gary. Accusing others like that indicates .......

What kind of a stupid question is that?

Is it also possible that the words in Is 66:22-24 are also figurative? If so, should SDAs be using them as one of their "PROOF" texts?

about what?

Which didn't prove anything. God has never ever commanded any other nation to keep the laws dealing with rituals He gave Israel. There in no indication that God has ever demanded that Gentiles observe the ritual laws given to Israel, except for the the admonition given in Acts.

Exodus 12: 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
50 Thus did all the children of Israel; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
51 And it came to pass the selfsame day, that the Lord did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.

So God commanded the Egyptians to worship Him even before the law was given on Sinai. Ever heard of the mixed multitude?

Numbers 15: 13 All that are born of the country shall do these things after this manner, in offering an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.
14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; as ye do, so he shall do.
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.
16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15: 28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.*n4
30 ¶But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.*n5
31 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

I don't know what country you live in but is everyone in it a Christian? If not why not? Even if God commanded all of them today to worship Him. would they? Your argument is moot.

Isaiah 66: 2-24 is prophetic, not figurative.

Your arguing one text against another makes God out too be a liar.

 

[Bob S]

Exodus 12: 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
50 Thus did all the children of Israel; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
51 And it came to pass the selfsame day, that the Lord did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.

So God commanded the Egyptians to worship Him even before the law was given on Sinai. Ever heard of the mixed multitude?

I still do not know what you are trying to prove.. God didn't give the Israelites a choice As for the Egyptians, they could stay, be circumcised and partake of the Passover or go on their merry way.

Numbers 15: 13 All that are born of the country shall do these things after this manner, in offering an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.
14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, o r whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; as ye do, so he shall do.
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.
16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15: 28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.*n4
30 ¶But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.*n5
31 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

I don't know what country you live in but is everyone in it a Christian? If not why not? Even if God commanded all of them today to worship Him. would they? Your argument is moot.

For the last time Gary, God has never asked any other nation to keep the Sabbath or any other ritual He imposed on Israel. Please stop beating around the bush.

Isaiah 66: 2-24 is prophetic, not figurative.

But all about the New Earth in Is 65 is figurative. Going out amongst the dead bodies every Sabbath is prophetic. Nic try, but I am not getting it. Here I have aways believed old things would not be remembered.

Your arguing one text against another makes God out too be a liar.

I beg your pardon.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Yes it is. In God's final warning messages to the world we find a call to worship the Creator.
Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The call to worship in Revelation 14:7 brings us back to the Sabbath Commandment which God set aside specifically for holy purposes:
Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Throughout the scriptures we can see an emphasis on the recognition of the Creator.
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 96:4-5
4 For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 121:1-2
1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Acts 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

By keeping the Sabbath holy, as He commanded us, we show our love for Him and give recognition of His authority in our life.
1 John 5:1-3
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now some people say it doesn't matter what day we worship and God doesn't care, but He does.
Isaiah 58:14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

And Christ Himself set for us the example...
Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Have we not done this subject to death? Colossians 2:16. I'm sure you've read it. Ignored it too.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Have we not done this subject to death? Colossians 2:16. I'm sure you've read it. Ignored it too.

Colossians 2:14 provides the context to Col 2:16 and Col 2:17 makes it obvious its not about the Sabbath commandment as it points to animal sacrifices Hebrews 10:1-10 . If we prayerfully read in context, makes it obvious it is not referring to one of God’s finger-written Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 holy and blessed commandment. Exo 20:8-11. God gave us Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28, not nine.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There is more than one sabbath in the scriptures and this verse makes it obvious the sabbath(s) it is referring to that is found in ordinances- the yearly sabbath(s) ordinances handwritten by Moses that has to do with food and sacrificial offerings . God blessed the weekly Sabbath commandment and man does not have the authority to reverse God’s blessing Num 23:20 Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27 and why the weekly Sabbath never ended at the Cross but every Sabbath was kept faithfully decades later by God’s followers and apostles Luke 23:56 Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 and will be kept for eternity by God’s people Isa 66:22-23

 

[Gary K]

I still do not know what you are trying to prove.. God didn't give the Israelites a choice As for the Egyptians, they could stay, be circumcised and partake of the Passover or go on their merry way.



For the last time Gary, God has never asked any other nation to keep the Sabbath or any other ritual He imposed on Israel. Please stop beating around the bush.

But all about the New Earth in Is 65 is figurative. Going out amongst the dead bodies every Sabbath is prophetic. Nic try, but I am not getting it. Here I have aways believed old things would not be remembered.

I beg your pardon.

How many chosen people do you expect God to have? All who wanted to worship God had to worship Him in the prescribed way. It was His way or the highway. It still is, is it not?

There is nothing in chapter 65 about going out among dead bodies. We were discussing chapter 66. You're seemingly very confused. I can't help what you've always believed. It's wrong. There will come a time after the millenium when God will wipe away all tears.

Revelation 21: 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Bob S]

How many chosen people do you expect God to have?

Christ died for every soul borne or unborn. All are chosen. It is us who chose or deny His invitation. By the way trying to keep a day or days has no bearing on anyone's salvation. The New Testament is explicate with text after text. For some reason our peers overwrite what we read in plain scripture. I was SDA for almost 40 years before I realized it is not what we do it is what Jesus has done for us. If our eternal reward depended on ow well we keep a day, we would all fail.

All who wanted to worship God had to worship Him in the prescribed way. It was His way or the highway. It still is, is it not?

Absolutely not. God has given us wonderful minds and we are all individuals. If I had to depend on the style of worship prescribed by some hierarchy I would just become a robot.

There is nothing in chapter 65 about going out among dead bodies. We were discussing chapter 66. You're seemingly very confused. I can't help what you've always believed. It's wrong. There will come a time after the millenium when God will wipe away all tears.

Please read my statement again. I believe you will find that I didn't indicate about dead bodies in Is 65. You indicated that Is 66:22-24 is prophetic.. What would make you believe going out amongst dead bodies on the Sabbat is prophetic?

Revelation 21: 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

I truly believe that too.

 

[daq]

Is it also possible that the words in Is 66:22-24 are also figurative? If so, should SDAs be using them as one of their "PROOF" texts?

But all about the New Earth in Is 65 is figurative. Going out amongst the dead bodies every Sabbath is prophetic. Nic try, but I am not getting it.

Please read my statement again. I believe you will find that I didn't indicate about dead bodies in Is 65. You indicated that Is 66:22-24 is prophetic.. What would make you believe going out amongst dead bodies on the Sabbat is prophetic?

It's been explained from the Testimony before but for some reason no one ever seems to want to believe it. It is expounded by the Master himself where he quotes from the passage: problem is that he also quotes from Leviticus and, in addition to that not many ever study the Septuagint. In the Septuagint it is not dead bodies but rather limbs of the body, as if lopped or chopped off.

Isaiah 66:24 OG LXX
24 και εξελευσονται και οψονται τα κωλα [G2966 κωλον] των ανθρωπων των παραβεβηκοτων εν εμοι ο γαρ σκωληξ αυτων ου τελευτησει και το πυρ αυτων ου σβεσθησεται και εσονται εις ορασιν παση σαρκι

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
G2966 κῶλον kolon (kō'-lon) n.
a limb of the body (as if lopped).
[from the base of G2849]
KJV: carcase
Root(s): G2849

Carcases or carcasses is a little misleading in modern English: it's body parts or limbs of the body, as if having been chopped off, and this is exactly the context in which the Master himself uses and expounds the passage.

Mark 9:43-50 KJV
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [Isa 66:24]
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [Isa 66:24]
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [Isa 66:24]
49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. [Lev 2:13]
50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Moreover Leviticus 2:13 is the only place in the Torah where the commandment to salt every sacrifice is given. I don't understand why people will not allow the Master to interpret the Torah and Prophets for them.

 

[Gary K]

Christ died for every soul borne or unborn. All are chosen. It is us who chose or deny His invitation. By the way trying to keep a day or days has no bearing on anyone's salvation. The New Testament is explicate with text after text. For some reason our peers overwrite what we read in plain scripture. I was SDA for almost 40 years before I realized it is not what we do it is what Jesus has done for us. If our eternal reward depended on ow well we keep a day, we would all fail.


Absolutely not. God has given us wonderful minds and we are all individuals. If I had to depend on the style of worship prescribed by some hierarchy I would just become a robot.

Please read my statement again. I believe you will find that I didn't indicate about dead bodies in Is 65. You indicated that Is 66:22-24 is prophetic.. What would make you believe going out amongst dead bodies on the Sabbat is prophetic?

I truly believe that too.

Christ died for every soul borne or unborn. All are chosen. It is us who chose or deny His invitation. By the way trying to keep a day or days has no bearing on anyone's salvation. The New Testament is explicate with text after text. For some reason our peers overwrite what we read in plain scripture. I was SDA for almost 40 years before I realized it is not what we do it is what Jesus has done for us. If our eternal reward depended on ow well we keep a day, we would all fail.


Absolutely not. God has given us wonderful minds and we are all individuals. If I had to depend on the style of worship prescribed by some hierarchy I would just become a robot.

Please read my statement again. I believe you will find that I didn't indicate about dead bodies in Is 65. You indicated that Is 66:22-24 is prophetic.. What would make you believe going out amongst dead bodies on the Sabbat is prophetic?

I truly believe that too.

Here is what you said.

But all about the New Earth in Is 65 is figurative. Going out amongst the dead bodies every Sabbath is prophetic. Nic try, but I am not getting it. Here I have aways believed old things would not be remembered.

I was speaking about OT rimes when I asked you how many chosen people you would expect God to have. The Israelites/Jews were to tell the world about God.

I can see why you're so bitter against SDAs as you left the church during it's legalistic period. The denomination rejected the message of righteousness by faith in 1888. God is now bringing it back to this message. Justification by faith isn't about forgiveness alone. It's about the power of God to change lives and bring us back into who He created humanity to be.

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Eternal life is about knowing God on a deep personal level as expressed in the entire chapter in Jesus' prayer.

Here are a couple quotes from Ellen White that go along with the entire chapter.

.

All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with
Christ. And if we consent, He will so identify Himself with our
thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to
His will, that when obeying Him we shall be but carrying out our
own impulses. The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest
delight in doing His service. When we know God as it is our privilege
to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through
an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with
God, sin will become hateful to us. Desire of Ages p. 668

The entire chapter, Let Not Your Heart be Troubled, is outstanding in teaching righteousness by faith.

Here is another quote from the same chapter.

“In My name,” Christ bade His disciples pray. In Christ’s name
His followers are to stand before God. Through the value of the sac-
rifice made for them, they are of value in the Lord’s sight. Because
of the imputed righteousness of Christ they are accounted precious.
For Christ’s sake the Lord pardons those that fear Him. He does not
see in them the vileness of the sinner. He recognizes in them the
likeness of His Son, in whom they believe.
The Lord is disappointed when His people place a low estimate
upon themselves. He desires His chosen heritage to value themselves
according to the price He has placed upon them. God wanted them,
else He would not have sent His Son on such an expensive errand
to redeem them. He has a use for them, and He is well pleased
when they make the very highest demands upon Him, that they may
glorify His name. They may expect large things if they have faith in
His promises.

I know by experience that these things are true.

God is a God of miracles and He has proven that in my life over the last year and a half since I have dedicated myself to knowing God as it is my privilege to know Him.

 

[Cribstyl]

SB claims man will keep the Sabbath forever because of what Is tells us in Is 66:22-23. I would like to once again inform SB that -in Is 65 Isaiah tells us we will not live forever. We might live to be over 100 or maybe as long as a tree, but according to him we will certainly die at some point.

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;

SB is focused on the word Sabbath as if it's only relating to Sabbath-keeping. The passage from Isa 66:22-23 is clearly relating a timeframe to worship not resting.
The text is prophetically saying; month to month and week to week all people will worship me.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

SB is focused on the word Sabbath as if it's only relating to Sabbath-keeping. The passage from Isa 66:22-23 is clearly relating a timeframe to worship not resting.
The text is prophetically saying; month to month and week to week all people will worship me.

Strange you would remove the word Sabbath, when this is the Lord speaking here.

It says from one Sabbath to another it does not say from day to day. Like I go to church from one Sabbath to another but not daily.

Also, if you look at the scripture, it says from one Sabbath to another all flesh will come before Jesus to worship.

And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The saints will not be before the Lord 24/7 as clear scripture says the saints will be working Isa 65:21

I can’t help but wonder for the so many who oppose Sabbath worship today would be happy in God’s Heavenly Kingdom where Sabbath worship continues for eternity.

 

[Leaf473]

The end of Isaiah 66 can be translated

month to month and week to week

or

New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath.

Going with month/week, it probably just means on a regular basis.

Going with New Moon/Sabbath, we have to explain why the New Moon is still being observed at that time.

 

[daq]

The end of Isaiah 66 can be translated

month to month and week to week

or

New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath.

Going with month/week, it probably just means on a regular basis.

Going with New Moon/Sabbath, we have to explain why the New Moon is still being observed at that time.

It actually says a hodesh in its hodesh and a Shabbat in its Shabbat.

The following literal translation uses new moon because the translator recognizes that the first day of a month is meant, (rosh hodesh, but hodesh can be either the first day of a month or the whole month), so new moon is simply translator preference and is only used by those who assume the Biblical calendar is/was a lunisolar calendar.

Isaiah 66:23 SLT
23 And it was as often as the new moon in its new moon, and as often as the Sabbath in its Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says Jehovah.

It is implying that Yisrael at the time did not have the timing correctly understood.

 

[Bob S]

Strange you would remove the word Sabbath, when this is the Lord speaking here.

It says from one Sabbath to another it does not say from day to day. Like I go to church from one Sabbath to another but not daily.

Also, if you look at the scripture, it says from one Sabbath to another all flesh will come before Jesus to worship.

And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The saints will not be before the Lord 24/7 as clear scripture says the saints will be working Isa 65:21

I can’t help but wonder for the so many who oppose Sabbath worship today would be happy in God’s Heavenly Kingdom where Sabbath worship continues for eternity.

I do noy understand why you quote Is 65 because there he is telling the Israelites they will one day die in those verses. How can you conclude we will really be working When you won't conclude they will die??? The same reasoning can and should be used in Is 66:22-24. Why is it you are able to conclude some of what He wrote is factual and ignore the remainder of his writings on the subject?

Those verses are a very poor way to prove anyone is under the old covenant Sabbath laws. By the way, you have completely avoided my question as to when Gentiles have ever been told by God we have to observe a day. Every reference given so far gave Gentiles a choice never a "have to" command.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I do noy understand why you quote Is 65 because there he is telling the Israelites they will one day die in those verses. How can you conclude we will really be working When you won't conclude they will die??? The same reasoning can and should be used in Is 66:22-24. Why is it you are able to conclude some of what He wrote is factual and ignore the remainder of his writings on the subject?

Those verses are a very poor way to prove anyone is under the old covenant Sabbath laws. By the way, you have completely avoided my question as to when Gentiles have ever been told by God we have to observe a day. Every reference given so far gave Gentiles a choice never a "have to" command.

Not sure if you noticed but the Text you are arguing with is a thus saith the Lord, so not an argument you’re making with me.

Right in the Sabbath commandment clearly shows it’s meant for everyone. Exo 20:8-11 God is not partial He says those who keep the Sabbath which He calls My holy day there is a special blessing Is 58:13 Eze 20:12 Eze 20:20 and the Sabbath is for everyone as it is clearly told again by thus saith the Lord Isa 56:6 so again this argument is with a much Higher Authority than I.

We need to have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 what kind of faith did Jesus have? Did Jesus keep the commandments including the Sabbath? He sure did, John 15:10 Luke 4:16 same faith as His faithful followers Luke 23:56 and disciples decades after the cross Act 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 and we need the same faith as Jesus as He is the way John 14:6 and our example to follow 1 John 2:6. This really isn’t rocket science, only if one is internationally trying to miss God’s blessing. If we do not want to keep His holy Sabbath now, would one really be happy in God’s Heavenly Kingdom, where there is no rebellion to Him, just peace. Isa 48:18 Rev22:14

 

[Leaf473]

I do noy understand why you quote Is 65 because there he is telling the Israelites they will one day die in those verses. How can you conclude we will really be working When you won't conclude they will die??? The same reasoning can and should be used in Is 66:22-24. Why is it you are able to conclude some of what He wrote is factual and ignore the remainder of his writings on the subject?

Those verses are a very poor way to prove anyone is under the old covenant Sabbath laws. By the way, you have completely avoided my question as to when Gentiles have ever been told by God we have to observe a day. Every reference given so far gave Gentiles a choice never a "have to" command.

And there's no obvious reason that I can see to break the chapters at the end of Isaiah where they do. Taken all together, it's probably not talking about eternity.
This is the end of 65 moving into 66:
"It shall happen that, before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain," says the LORD. Thus says the LORD, "Heaven is my throne, and earth is the footstool of my feet. Where then is the house you could build for me? And where then is the place of my rest?"

 

[Bob S]

Not sure if you noticed but the Text you are arguing with is a thus saith the Lord, so not an argument you’re making with me.

We have a very good example of Jesus' words to us in Jn15:10-14 Jesus said He kept Torah and asks us to keep His commands. His command is for us to love others as He loves us. Wouldn't it be so very wonderful if everyone heeded His command???
We have "thus saith Jesus" in Eph2: 10-15 where we are told Jesus came to two peoples one by doing away with the barrier that separated them. Guess what that barrier was? What law did Her come to fulfill? It was the Law that He came to keep, the one the Israelites failed so miserably to observe. It was the Torah. He kept the Torah perfectly as proof it could have been done. Paul, in Gal 3:19 wrote that the law ended when Jesus came. He wrote " oh you foolish Galatians".... They were allowing others to teach that they had to observe the Law just as you are trying to do.
2Cor3: 6-11 Paul told the Jews they were no longer under the 10 commandments. Read it in your King James Bible.

Right in the Sabbath commandment clearly shows it’s meant for everyone. Exo 20:8-11

No wonder you refuse to believe the scripture we provide. There is not one word in EX 20:8 that indicates it was given to all mankind. It was given to those who came out of Egypt. It was to be a day of remembrance for Israel. Read Deut 5

God is not partial He says those who keep the Sabbath which He calls My holy day there is a special blessing Is 58:13 Eze 20:12 Eze 20:20 and the Sabbath is for everyone as it is clearly told again by thus saith the Lord Isa 56:6 so again this argument is with a much Higher Authority than I.

Again, God has never ever required Gentiles to keep Torah. It was their privilege to join if they willed to do so. It was never a requirement.

We need to have the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 what kind of faith did Jesus have? Did Jesus keep the commandments including the Sabbath?

He was born under the Law. He came to keep the Law and not one jot or tittle would pass from the Law until Jesus fulfilled it. Apparently you have not come to the conclusion that Jesus did what He came to do and nothing has passed from the Law.

He sure did, John 15:10 Luke 4:16 same faith as His faithful followers Luke 23:56 and disciples decades after the cross Act 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 and we need the same faith as Jesus as He is the way John 14:6 and our example to follow 1 John 2:6. This really isn’t rocket science, only if one is internationally trying to miss God’s blessing. If we do not want to keep His holy Sabbath now, would one really be happy in God’s Heavenly Kingdom, where there is no rebellion to Him, just peace. Isa 48:18 Rev22:14

In Jn15 did Jesus ask us to keep the Sabbath, the one you deem to be fixated? No, He asked us to Love others.

 

[Bob S]

And there's no obvious reason that I can see to break the chapters at the end of Isaiah where they do. Taken all together, it's probably not talking about eternity.
This is the end of 65 moving into 66:
"It shall happen that, before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain," says the LORD. Thus says the LORD, "Heaven is my throne, and earth is the footstool of my feet. Where then is the house you could build for me? And where then is the place of my rest?"

It is a proof text all SDAs learn as part of many "proof texts". there is a complete disregard for all the texts that prove their teachings to be false.

 

[Gary K]

It is a proof text all SDAs learn as part of many "proof texts". there is a complete disregard for all the texts that prove their teachings to be false.

How about answering my post to you? Not a single "SDA proof text" in it.

Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

Yes Gary, I realize scripture tells us this, but scripture in Isaiah tells us something different. Scripture in the New Testament tells the Jews they are not under the Sabbath law. Scripture in Is 66 indicates we are. In Isaiah 65 Is indicates man will die in the new Earth. When did Gentiles...

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