Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

[Soyeong]

The fourth commandment was to keep the sabbath day holy. If you believe this is a requirement for us to observe now you bring yourself under the law.

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was referring to us as not being under in order to avoid the mistake of interpreting a servant of God as speaking against obeying what He has commanded. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, Paul contrasted a law that our faith upholds with a law that is not of faith.

The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), so holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us when we are under it, whereas the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so sin has dominion over us when we are under it. In Romans 6:14, it describes the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which is describing the law of sin, not the Law of God. Furthermore, in Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so we are still under the Law of God. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.

You no longer are walking in grace.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and this is what it means to walk in grace. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in John 17:3, eternal life in knowing God and Jesus. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His law is part of the content of His gift of salvation.

The Ten Commandments carried a curse. That curse is that if you violate the least commandment you are held guilty of them all. So my question would be does those who say they keep the sabbath day holy do they violate any other? If they do then they are guilty of them all. Paul rebuked the Galatians for bring themselves back under the law after receiving grace through faith in Christ.

In James 2:1-11, his point was not that they had already sinned by committing favoritism and now they are under a curse, so they shouldn't have tried to obey the Law of God, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to a better job of obeying the Law of God more consistently. According to Deuteronomy 27-28, relying on the Law of God is the way to be blessed, while not relying on it is the way to be cursed, so you refusing to rely on it is not a way to avoid being cursed by it. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is not based on whether we have perfect obedience, but based on whether we choose to obey God or to chase after other gods. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that the Law of God is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience, but you appear to be acting as through choosing disobedience, death, and a curse is the better choice.

It’s written that the the law is perfect but man isn’t. The law was given to teach us that we were in sin. By applying a curse to it taught men they were in sin. Can you personally say you have kept all 10? If you have failed in one you are guilty of them all. This was the curse. Even Christ healed on the sabbath. He picked corn from the field on the sabbath. Even the Pharisees accused him as violating the sabbath.

God's law came with instructions for what to do when His people sinned, so it never required perfect obedience. The fact that we can still repent and be saved after we have sinned again demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. Yes, I have kept the Ten Commandments, though only Jesus kept them perfectly. Have you never refrained from committing murder? Sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4) and Jesus was sinless, therefore he never broke it, including never breaking the Sabbath even though there were people who incorrectly thought that he did.

I just wanted to point out the curse the law Carrie’s to those who live by it as their means of righteousness.

While the only way to become righteous is by faith apart from being required to have first done righteous works in order to earn it as a wage, becoming righteous through faith means becoming a doer of righteous works through faith, so it is contradictory to become righteous through faith apart from becoming a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God, which is why the faith by which we are declared righteous also does not abolish our need to obey the Law of God, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28-31). God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, so the way to have faith in God is by obeying what He has commanded while it is contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in what He has commanded.

 

[Cribstyl]

Yes it is. In God's final warning messages to the world we find a call to worship the Creator.
Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

When your commentary leads ahead of the scriptures, you appear to be fabricating your own truths. Throughout the bible the one true God is identified as the maker of heaven and earth, the seas and all that are in them.
Show us where the call to worship is limited to the sabbath?
We can agree that Rev 14 is identifying the God of Genesis 1, but you are embellishing by implying a call to Sabbath worship.

The call to worship in Revelation 14:7 brings us back to the Sabbath Commandment which God set aside specifically for holy purposes:
Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Again, your intentions are leading, and the scriptures are secondary. In Ex 20 Sabbath keeping is an exclusive covenant required only by the Children of Israel.

Throughout the scriptures we can see an emphasis on the recognition of the Creator.
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 96:4-5
4 For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 121:1-2
1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Acts 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

By keeping the Sabbath holy, as He commanded us, we show our love for Him and give recognition of His authority in our life.
1 John 5:1-3
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Your comments are misleading, If all these scriptures you posted was a call to Sabbath worship we would not need your commentary.

Now some people say it doesn't matter what day we worship and God doesn't care, but He does.
Isaiah 58:14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

And Christ Himself set for us the example...
Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Rom 14 does cover the subject of days to worship under the new covenant. If Sabbath is supposed to be the only day, Paul fumbled the football.
Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

Having said that, We are called to worship God

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When your commentary leads ahead of the scriptures, you appear to be fabricating your own truths. Throughout the bible the one true God is identified as the maker of heaven and earth, the seas and all that are in them.
Show us where the call to worship is limited to the sabbath?
We can agree that Rev 14 is identifying the God of Genesis 1, but you are embellishing by implying a call to Sabbath worship.

Again, your intentions are leading, and the scriptures are secondary. In Ex 20 Sabbath keeping is an exclusive covenant required only by the Children of Israel.

Your comments are misleading, If all these scriptures you posted was a call to Sabbath worship we would not need your commentary.

If you look closely at Revelation 14:7

saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

You will see this is a quote almost verbatim from the 4th commandment.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I consider spending time with God doing His ways on His assigned holy day Isa 58:13 is worship to God, but obeying all of God's law is how we fully worship Him as scripture demonstrates,

If you keep reading in Revelation 14 it contrasts false worship with true worship, which is what it will come down to in the last days....and even today. We are called to worship in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

And the antidote for false worship? The next verse tells us...

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Jesus said the same thing in His own Words. When we keep our traditions (rules) over the commandments of God and Jesus quotes directly from the Ten Commandments- one worships in vain. Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written and spoken personally by God, just like He did with thou shalt not have any other gods above Him and the rest of His holy law.

Rom 14 does cover the subject of days to worship under the new covenant. If Sabbath is supposed to be the only day, Paul fumbled the football.
Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

If you were to read all of Romans 14, the Sabbath commandment is not mentioned one time. They are disputing human opinions and what man deems above other days much like we debate Christmas and Easter Sunday, not what God deems. God spoke and wrote the day He declared as His holy day Exodus 20:10 Isa 58:13 made for man Mark 2:27 as we are made in His image to follow Him. Besides the Sabbath is a commandment of God and Paul is not contradicting himself or God as he says what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19 Just like God told us to right in the Ten Exo 20:6

 

[GDL]

Why don't you come over to the ga'al and the Is sinning necessary threads and discuss your beliefs with me?

No room for another discussion right now. Thanks for the invite.

 

[Cribstyl]

If you look closely at Revelation 14:7

saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

You will see this is a quote almost verbatim from the 4th commandment

Keep your eyes on the text, it's identifying the God of the bible. It says to fear God , give Him glory, judgement is coming. worship the God of Genesis 1, The Creator. Clue: the 4th commandment has nothing to do with this first angel's message.

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Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I consider spending time with God doing His ways on His assigned holy day Isa 58:13 is worship to God, but obeying all of God's law is how we fully worship Him as scripture demonstrates,

If you keep reading in Revelation 14 it contrasts false worship with true worship, which is what it will come down to in the last days....and even today. We are called to worship in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24

Adding Ex 20, Isa 58, Rev 14:11 is a cheap trick to teach a false doctrine. Where is Rev 14:11 talking about a day of worship? Someone is adding to the word of God.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

And the antidote for false worship? The next verse tells us...

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Jesus said the same thing in His own Words. When we keep our traditions (rules) over the commandments of God and Jesus quotes directly from the Ten Commandments- one worships in vain. Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written and spoken personally by God, just like He did with thou shalt not have any other gods above Him and the rest of His holy law.

If I follow your commentary, I drink the cool-ade.. The saints in this context (Rev 14:12 are most likely under 2 bible covenants. The Old testament and the New Testament.

If you were to read all of Romans 14, the Sabbath commandment is not mentioned one time. They are disputing human opinions and what man deems above other days much like we debate Christmas and Easter Sunday, not what God deems. God spoke and wrote the day He declared as His holy day Exodus 20:10 Isa 58:13 made for man Mark 2:27 as we are made in His image to follow Him. Besides the Sabbath is a commandment of God and Paul is not contradicting himself or God as he says what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19 Just like God told us to right in the Ten Exo 20:6

Really???? Your commentary and the word of God is in conflict. This letter is addressed to Jews and Gentiles at Rome. The Sabbath commandment is not mentioned because Sabbath-keeping is not Christian doctrine. There is no disputing going on at all. Paul says
Rom 14:1 Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
Rom 14:2 For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.
Rom 14:5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Rom 14:6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For we don’t live for ourselves or die for ourselves.
Rom 14:8 If we live, it’s to honor the Lord. And if we die, it’s to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Rom 14:9 Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be Lord both of the living and of the dead.
Rom 14:10 So why do you condemn another believer[fn]? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

Your commentary undermines the scriptures. God will hold you accountable.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your commentary undermines the scriptures. God will hold you accountable.

He will hold all of us accountable. Mat 5:19 I'm comfortable being accountable for teaching we should keep the commandments of God, the Sabbath is a commandment of God.

 

[Cribstyl]

If you look closely at Revelation 14:7

saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

You will see this is a quote almost verbatim from the 4th commandment.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The text is saying Worship the one true God, He is the creator of all......... The scripture is also identifying His works in creation, Adding commentary about Sabbath is a scam.

I consider spending time with God doing His ways on His assigned holy day Isa 58:13 is worship to God, but obeying all of God's law is how we fully worship Him as scripture demonstrates,

If you keep reading in Revelation 14 it contrasts false worship with true worship, which is what it will come down to in the last days....and even today. We are called to worship in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

And the antidote for false worship? The next verse tells us...

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Jesus said the same thing in His own Words. When we keep our traditions (rules) over the commandments of God and Jesus quotes directly from the Ten Commandments- one worships in vain. Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written and spoken personally by God, just like He did with thou shalt not have any other gods above Him and the rest of His holy law.

Oh My Gosh

 

[Dan2255]

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was referring to us as not being under in order to avoid the mistake of interpreting a servant of God as speaking against obeying what He has commanded. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, Paul contrasted a law that our faith upholds with a law that is not of faith.

The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), so holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us when we are under it, whereas the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so sin has dominion over us when we are under it. In Romans 6:14, it describes the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which is describing the law of sin, not the Law of God. Furthermore, in Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so we are still under the Law of God. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.


In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and this is what it means to walk in grace. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in John 17:3, eternal life in knowing God and Jesus. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His law is part of the content of His gift of salvation.


In James 2:1-11, his point was not that they had already sinned by committing favoritism and now they are under a curse, so they shouldn't have tried to obey the Law of God, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to a better job of obeying the Law of God more consistently. According to Deuteronomy 27-28, relying on the Law of God is the way to be blessed, while not relying on it is the way to be cursed, so you refusing to rely on it is not a way to avoid being cursed by it. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is not based on whether we have perfect obedience, but based on whether we choose to obey God or to chase after other gods. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that the Law of God is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience, but you appear to be acting as through choosing disobedience, death, and a curse is the better choice.


God's law came with instructions for what to do when His people sinned, so it never required perfect obedience. The fact that we can still repent and be saved after we have sinned again demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. Yes, I have kept the Ten Commandments, though only Jesus kept them perfectly. Have you never refrained from committing murder? Sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4) and Jesus was sinless, therefore he never broke it, including never breaking the Sabbath even though there were people who incorrectly thought that he did.


While the only way to become righteous is by faith apart from being required to have first done righteous works in order to earn it as a wage, becoming righteous through faith means becoming a doer of righteous works through faith, so it is contradictory to become righteous through faith apart from becoming a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God, which is why the faith by which we are declared righteous also does not abolish our need to obey the Law of God, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28-31). God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, so the way to have faith in God is by obeying what He has commanded while it is contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in what He has commanded.

The law was our schoolmaster to teach us of sin according to my Father. It was never meant to cleanse us only Christ could do that. My Father defined sin as not trusting in his word concerning his Son our Lord and Savour. This is told to us in the Gospel. My Father said I will reprove you is sin meaning he would teach us of what sin is and that sin is not trusting him. As far as sinning which comes from the flesh are sins. You have the sin that condemns you and you have sins that are produced by the flesh. My Father has given us victory over sin and victory over sinning if we grieve not the Holy Spirit by walking in the spirit are we free from sinning no. But we as his children ask the Father forgiveness when we fail. The differences between a saved person and a lost person is the saved will strive to walk in the spirit whereas the lost do not. If we sin after receiving Christ he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins. You show me a person a live after being saved that has not committed not one sin. Our righteousness is in our trust in the Son. That trust is a gift given to us from the Holy Spirit that our Father has put in our hearts. He writes his laws in our heart making us a temple which he dwells in. The law that fulfills all the laws is his love in our heart. This to is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. If you get a chance read psalms 89 and see what happens to the children of our Father when they fail to follow his commands. Even when we fail my Father will not withdraw his Love from us. It is his love in us that causes us to love as he loves. As it is also said they who say they love God and hate their brother the love of God is not in him.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Really???? Your commentary and the word of God is in conflict. This letter is addressed to Jews and Gentiles at Rome. The Sabbath commandment is not mentioned because Sabbath-keeping is not Christian doctrine. There is no disputing going on at all. Paul says
Rom 14:1 Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
Rom 14:2 For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.
Rom 14:5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Rom 14:6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For we don’t live for ourselves or die for ourselves.
Rom 14:8 If we live, it’s to honor the Lord. And if we die, it’s to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Rom 14:9 Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be Lord both of the living and of the dead.
Rom 14:10 So why do you condemn another believer[fn]? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

Your commentary undermines the scriptures. God will hold you accountable.

Well lets look to scripture to see if the Sabbath commandment is not a Christian doctrine and one taught and kept every Sabbath by the apostles....

According to scripture the apostles kept every Sabbath teaching both Jews and Gentiles

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The gentiles asked for more gospel preaching next Sabbath, instead of asking for a different day of worship.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

So through God's Word clearly shows the Sabbath was observed every Sabbath preaching God's Word to all people.

Jesus says the same thing, the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

And if that's not clear enough again tells everyone to hold fast His covenant and not to profane His Sabbath

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

In the New Heaven and New Earth Jesus declares the Sabbath continues for worship to Him. I surely wouldn't want to miss this.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So your statement that the Sabbath is not a Christian doctrine does not hold up to scripture. Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God.1 Cor 7:19 The Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken and written by God! The Sabbath was kept by His faithful followers according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Jesus kept the Sabbath, the apostles kept the Sabbath, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath, according to the commandment. Seems as though if we are to be followers of Christ we should too. 1 John 2:6

 

[Dan2255]

Well lets look to scripture to see if the Sabbath commandment is not a Christian doctrine and one taught and kept every Sabbath by the apostles....

According to scripture the apostles kept every Sabbath teaching both Jews and Gentiles

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The gentiles asked for more gospel preaching next Sabbath, instead of asking for a different day of worship.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

So through God's Word clearly shows the Sabbath was observed every Sabbath preaching God's Word to all people.

Jesus says the same thing, the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

And if that's not clear enough again tells everyone to hold fast His covenant and not to profane His Sabbath

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

In the New Heaven and New Earth Jesus declares the Sabbath continues for worship to Him. I surely wouldn't want to miss this.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So your statement that the Sabbath is not a Christian doctrine does not hold up to scripture. Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God. The Sabbath is a commandment of God. The Sabbath was kept by His faithful followers according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

If we keep the sabbath but fail the Ten Commandments in other ways are that hold to keeping the sabbath but fail with some of the others are we then seeking to to obey the Ten Commandments. Have you not understood the curse that our Father put on the Ten Commandments. If e keep nine and fail with one then does not the curse condemn us? Does it not say cursed if you fail in one? So you bring yourself under the law and fail to walk in faith. The Galatians were doing this very same thing. Observing certain things and Paul called them foolish. Read his writings concerning them.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If we keep the sabbath but fail the Ten Commandments in other ways are that hold to keeping the sabbath but fail with some of the others are we then seeking to to obey the Ten Commandments. Have you not understood the curse that our Father put on the Ten Commandments. If e keep nine and fail with one then does not the curse condemn us? Does it not say cursed if you fail in one? So you bring yourself under the law and fail to walk in faith. The Galatians were doing this very same thing. Observing certain things and Paul called them foolish. Read his writings concerning them.

I think you have a misunderstanding on the curse and the role of the Ten Commandments.

The curse is not the law, God's law is holy and righteous and perfect for converting the soul Rom 7:12 NIV Psa 19:7 the law is not the curse.

The curse is disobeying God's law which is sin 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and that brings death Romans 6:23 That is the curse, not God's holy law.

Those who walk in faith uphold God's law Romans 3:31 through love 1 John 5:3 John 14:15, Exo 20:6

Yes, we can keep the Sabbath and if we are coveting we are sinners. Just like one can keep all 9 of the commandments, and not keep the Sabbath commandment is like breaking them all James 2:10-12

Our salvation is from sin not in sin Mat 1:21

Do you believe Jesus is more powerful to help us overcome sin than the devil is to keep you in sin?

I believe we can overcome and keep God's commandments, its a promise of scripture Rev 14:12 and while we can't do alone, Jesus promises to give us help when we obey Him John 14:15-18 which is reflected in our daily decisions. We can choose to tell the truth when someone asks us a question, we can choose to keep God's Sabbath day holy every Saturday, we can choose to only worship God and not vain God's holy name by taking on His name (Christian) but living for the world. Jesus will not make these decisions for us, but if we turn to Him and ask Him to help us overcome temptation, He promises to give us an escape.1 Corinthians 10:13 Trust Jesus He can free us from the bondage of sin and we can keep His commandments through faith and love to Him. If we slip along the way if we confess our sins His is faithful to cleanse us of all unrighteousness, but repentance means a sorry heart and a change of direction and through Jesus all things are possible including obedience to God's law. Jesus would not ask us to do something that would be impossible to do.

 

[Dan2255]

I didn’t imply the law was a curse at all. The law Carrie’s a curse to all that use it for justification. The curse was if you failed in one you are guilty of them all. You’re right the Ten Commandments are holy. But it does carry a curse should you try to justify yourself by it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I didn’t imply the law was a curse at all. The law Carrie’s a curse to all that use it for justification. The curse was if you failed in one you are guilty of them all. You’re right the Ten Commandments are holy. But it does carry a curse should you try to justify yourself by it.

Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. Agree, we are not justified by the law. The purpose of the law is so we can "see" our sins. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 They show God's righteousness Psa 119:172 so we do not depend on our own righteousness (right doing). The law does not save us, the blood of Jesus does, the commandments show us the right way a Christian lives through faith and love to Christ. If we remove the law- we bury and forsake our sins, which means we cannot prosper. Pro 28:13. God's law shows us our need for Jesus and His mercy and grace and through Him we can overcome sin and keep His commandments. It requires our motivation and cooperation. Seek Him first daily.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Soyeong]

The law was our schoolmaster to teach us of sin according to my Father. It was never meant to cleanse us only Christ could do that. My Father defined sin as not trusting in his word concerning his Son our Lord and Savour. This is told to us in the Gospel. My Father said I will reprove you is sin meaning he would teach us of what sin is and that sin is not trusting him. As far as sinning which comes from the flesh are sins. You have the sin that condemns you and you have sins that are produced by the flesh. My Father has given us victory over sin and victory over sinning if we grieve not the Holy Spirit by walking in the spirit are we free from sinning no. But we as his children ask the Father forgiveness when we fail. The differences between a saved person and a lost person is the saved will strive to walk in the spirit whereas the lost do not. If we sin after receiving Christ he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins. You show me a person a live after being saved that has not committed not one sin. Our righteousness is in our trust in the Son. That trust is a gift given to us from the Holy Spirit that our Father has put in our hearts. He writes his laws in our heart making us a temple which he dwells in. The law that fulfills all the laws is his love in our heart. This to is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. If you get a chance read psalms 89 and see what happens to the children of our Father when they fail to follow his commands. Even when we fail my Father will not withdraw his Love from us. It is his love in us that causes us to love as he loves. As it is also said they who say they love God and hate their brother the love of God is not in him.

Whatever is in transgression of the Law of God is sin (1 John 3:4), whatever is in transgression of the Law of God is not of faith (Matthew 23:23), and whatever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). In Proverbs 3:5-7, we have a choice between leaning on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes or trusting in God with all of our heart to correctly divide between right and wrong through obeying what He has instructed, and He will make our way straight, so obedience to God's law is the way to trust in Him. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so obedience to it is the way rot trust God. In other words, God's law is God's word and obedience to it is the way to trust God's word/God's word made flesh. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set of the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God. God's word made flesh expressed his love by embodying God's word in obedience to His law, so that is the way to love as he loves.

 

[reddogs]

Curious if you apply this reasoning to the other 9 commandments? Is it a curse to only worship God? A curse to use His name in a holy manner? A curse not to murder a curse not to covet? Why would you apply this reasoning only to the 4th commandment that God said is holy and blessed and once God blesses, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 holy and blessed by God is not the definition of cursed.

The curse is the breaking God's holy law- the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 the death sentence is the curse not God's law which is holy and righteous Romans 7:12 All the law does is show us our sin and our need for Jesus for His mercy and grace. Rom 7:7 Pro 28:13

God's law should be kept through love and faith John 14:15, Exo 20:6 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 , which of course includes the Sabbath commandment that Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers kept.

But then most would say they want the other 9, but cant bring themselves to look at the 'spiritual conundrum' they put themselves in.

 

[daq]

Rom 14:1 Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
Rom 14:2 For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.
Rom 14:5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Rom 14:6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For we don’t live for ourselves or die for ourselves.
Rom 14:8 If we live, it’s to honor the Lord. And if we die, it’s to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Rom 14:9 Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be Lord both of the living and of the dead.
Rom 14:10 So why do you condemn another believer[fn]? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

I'm almost afraid to even bring it up, but verse nine, the way it is worded, (which seems pretty much correct), almost makes it sound as if one group is living and the other group is dead: but that we simply aren't supposed to be judging either way.

I just happened to be reading along: this is really not much more than a note to self.

 

[Cribstyl]

I'm almost afraid to even bring it up, but verse nine, the way it is worded, (which seems pretty much correct), almost makes it sound as if one group is living and the other group is dead: but that we simply aren't supposed to be judging either way.

I just happened to be reading along: this is really not much more than a note to self.

Yes, it does contradict some beliefs system about the dead. The fact that Jesus led captivity captive is to know that dead saints (righteous) who was under the law ascended with Him. The veil being rented meant that access to heaven was open. (start another thread for further study)

 

[HIM]

Yes, it does contradict some beliefs system about the dead. The fact that Jesus led captivity captive is to know that dead saints (righteous) who was under the law ascended with Him. The veil being rented meant that access to heaven was open. (start another thread for further study)

The captivity is that which is to sin. That captivity has been led captive

 

[Cribstyl]

I didn’t imply the law was a curse at all. The law Carrie’s a curse to all that use it for justification. The curse was if you failed in one you are guilty of them all. You’re right the Ten Commandments are holy. But it does carry a curse should you try to justify yourself by it.

Exactly.
Many people don't understand bible theology.
Justification is a process whereby one is judged.
If God asked: what have you done with my law? Answer: Well, I, I, I tried to keep it. I kept the Sabbath
If God asked: What have you done with my Son? Answer: I believe that His blood cleanses me from my sins.

Righteousness, is simply whatever God requires of you or a people.

God required that Adam to not eat from the tree of God and evil. (1 commandment)

God required 7 commandments from Noah and rainbow as a covenant sign

God required Abram to have faith and circumcision as a covenant sign

God required the Children of Israel to keep the law given to Moses. and Sabbath as a covenant sign (613 commandments)

God requires Christians to love God by believing in Jesus Christ
God reqires Christians to love one another. (2 commandments) baptism is covenant sign

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Exactly.
Many people don't understand bible theology.
Justification is a process whereby one is judged.
If God asked: what have you done with my law? Answer: Well, I, I, I tried to keep it. I kept the Sabbath
If God asked: What have you done with my Son? Answer: I believe that His blood cleanses me from my sins.

Righteousness, is simply whatever God requires of you or a people.

God required that Adam to not eat from the tree of God and evil. (1 commandment)

God required 7 commandments from Noah and rainbow as a covenant sign

God required Abram to have faith and circumcision as a covenant sign

God required the Children of Israel to keep the law given to Moses. and Sabbath as a covenant sign (613 commandments)

God requires Christians to love God by believing in Jesus Christ
God reqires Christians to love one another. (2 commandments) baptism is covenant sign

God says the Sabbath is MY holy day. Isa 58:13 Exo 20:10 not the Sabbath of Moses and the Israelites. God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger Exo 32:16, Exo 31:18 Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 not Moses. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the Greek word here means mankind.

The Sabbath started from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 way before Moses, the Sabbath was kept over 1300 years later after Moses by Jesus, the apostles and His followers and Jesus in His own Words says the Sabbath will continue forever for those saved Isa 66:22-23

Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56- hard to make the argument it is only for Moses and his era. Especially when scripture tells us to walk as Jesus walked who was faithful and kept all the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 just like Paul 1 Corinthians 11:1 and the apostles who kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4

and no scripture says this...

Sabbath as a covenant sign (613 commandments)

God's Covenant is the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.