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The disciples never sinned by eating on the Sabbath - eating to stay heathy is not sinning or working- do you care to back up your argument through scripture? Where in God's word does it say we cannot eat on the Sabbath- you are taking the side of the Pharisees.You have free will to believe what you want, but the context is telling the story better than you.
Mark 2:27 is about the disciples of Jesus working on Sabbath and Jesus argues that its fine.
The disciples never sinned? What?The disciples never sinned and eating on the Sabbath is not sinning or working- do you care to back up your argument through scripture?
By eating on the Sabbath, the disciples did not sin......there was no working in the fields. They were not harvesting grain, they were plucking the tops and eating while walking, not a sin. No different than picking an apple off a tree and eating it. Please show me in scripture where that is a sin. You seem to be missing the whole point of Jesus correcting the Pharisees.The disciples never sinned? What?
Dont you know what texts you are using? Its not about eating, but about working on Sabbath (in the field).
That is what the Pharisees judged. And this was prior to the new covenant being established. They were wrong then. So?The disciples never sinned? What?
Dont you know what texts you are using? Its not about eating, but about working on Sabbath (in the field).
I misunderstood the poll, because it didn't say on the Sabbath, but since that was the intent, I will change my answer.Sad story being told considering the question in the poll was in relation to the thread and only one person stood firm in their conviction.
You seem to be missing the whole point of Jesus correcting the Pharisees.By eating on the Sabbath, the disciples did not sin......there was no working in the fields. They were not harvesting grain, they were plucking the tops and eating while walking, not a sin. No different than picking an apple off a tree and eating it. Please show me in scripture where that is a sin. You seem to be missing the whole point of Jesus correcting the Pharisees.
They were not wrong about His disciples doing what was not allowed to do on Sabbath. They were wrong about the importance of Jesus - that He is greater than Sabbath (i.e. not limited by it).That is what the Pharisees judged. And this was prior to the new covenant being established. They were wrong then. So?
I agree with every word you wrote. My problem came when I remembered Romans 14. Some people will esteem a day more than another will. A man may keep the sabbath his entire life I think the best it might get him over those who don't keep the sabbath, is more rewards in Heaven?
Well, please prove that eating on the Sabbath is a sin or eating is working. That is what the Pharisees were accusing the apostles of doing. Jesus in no way said doing work on the Sabbath is okay therefore we no longer need to keep the Sabbath- never stated or implied by Jesus. Jesus kept the commandments of God John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and is our example 1 John 2:6 and Jesus is not advocating that the Sabbath can be broken, but was teaching the Pharisees that adding their man-made rules to God's commandments is not following the commandment as they were making the Sabbath a burden instead of the blessing it is meant to be Isaiah 58:13-14, 1 John 5:3 No sin to eat on the Sabbath nor is it working. To make your theory work you will need to provide scripture showing where in the commandment is one forbidden to eat or that eating is working.You seem to be missing the whole point of Jesus correcting the Pharisees.
You think He said "no, you are mistaken, they did not work". He did not. He did not argue against the point of Pharisees, He, instead, said that they are allowed to work on Sabbath, because He is greater than Sabbath (He said it in more words, beginning with David etc.).
Why would I do that? This is not my claim. Read more carefully, it will make the conversation much more effective. My posts are not long, so it should not be a problem.Well, please prove that eating on the Sabbath is a sin, lets start with that.
Here's your postWhy would I do that? This is not my claim. Read more carefully, it will make the conversation much more effective. My posts are not long, so it should not be a problem.
Where in scripture did Jesus say they were allowed to work on the Sabbath? Where in scripture is eating considered working? The example of David was also eating, so please show me where that is "working" through scripture, not your words.You think He said "no, you are mistaken, they did not work". He did not. He did not argue against the point of Pharisees, He, instead, said that they are allowed to work on Sabbath, because He is greater than Sabbath (He said it in more words, beginning with David etc.).
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Where in scripture did Jesus say they were allowed to work on the Sabbath? Where in scripture is eating considered working? The example of David was also eating, so please show me where that is "working" through scripture, not your words.
Jesus never said He is greater than the Sabbath- He is said He Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 which He created/made for man Mark 2:27 and is meant to be a blessing and eating on the Sabbath is not a sin or considered work. The Pharisee's were adding their rules to God's rules, making the Sabbath about man-made rules instead of the blessing it is meant to be for mankind, spending time with God on the day He set aside- sanctified and made holy that eating is allowed on.
Plucking the tops of grain and eating is not working, preaching the Word of God on the Sabbath, not breaking the Sabbath, which is why they are held blameless, but I will leave you to your beliefs, which is similar to the Pharisees who made the accusation just like they did when they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath and not being equal to God.Breaking the Sabbath was not the act of eating (Jews could eat on Sabbath), but the act of working to get the grains from the field.
One Sabbath Jesus was passing through the grainfields, and His disciples began to pick the heads of grain, rub them in their hands, and eat them. But some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
Lk 6:1
or, another version in Mathew:
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
Jesus replied, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.
Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.
If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
It frequently seems to me you do not bother to read the texts you use, properly.
Again, you are ignoring the text. Jesus did not argue "it is allowed". He argues in a totally different way, read it. In all three gospels, if you need.Plucking the tops of grain and eating is not working, preaching the Word of God on the Sabbath, not breaking the Sabbath, which is why they are held blameless, but I will leave you to your beliefs, which is similar to the Pharisees who made the accusation just like they did when they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath and not being equal to God.
This term is probably the largest difference. Defined in an old covenant it means very specific instructions, broadly the command to cease work. But this is only in a old covenant vacuum. We have the greater revelation and a fuller picture of what role the 4th command has.keeping the sabbath
No different than picking manna off the ground.... oh waitNo different than picking an apple off a tree and eating it.
The most flagrant breaking of the ten commandments I have witnessed in any church in the past forty years was in a church that worshipped on a Saturday.We should really strive to understand what the text is really saying.
I noticed that when somebody tries to prove their minority view (like Seventh Day Adventists), they use biblical texts only for proving their ideas, not bothering to read them carefully for what they really say and if the context/culture was about their idea at all.
Just a surface reading, taking some few words out of the context and reading their theological views into it.
Gathering two days worth of food (like grocery shopping) is different than eating a piece of grain when hungry on the SabbathNo different than picking manna off the ground.... oh wait
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