Is it Ethical to be fired for stating Christian beliefs

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Was it loving or hateful of Paul to write (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Did Paul have a contract to play rugby?
 
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Yes. And go on to "Command ethics," which is part of deontology.

Or do you not think that being saved you owe an obligation of obedience to God?

For Kant, divine commands have nothing to do with ethics. It has to do with categorical imperatives. Imagining a hypothetical world where murder would be moral, for instance, would render life meaningless, therefor people have an inherent right to life.

Kant was a Lutheran and that probably drove him to take ethics seriously in the first place, but he was trying to ground ethics in reason, not revelation, because he was attempting to protect religion from radical skepticism.
 
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Some not realize that telling that people are going to hell if they practice sin is actually doing someone a favour and not 'hate speech'. If you don't agree just let the christian guy live in peace with his beliefs, they are not hurting anybody really.
 
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For Kant, divine commands have nothing to do with ethics. It has to do with categorical imperatives. Imagining a hypothetical world where murder would be moral, for instance, would render life meaningless, therefor people have an inherent right to life.

Kant was a Lutheran and that probably drove him to take ethics seriously in the first place, but he was trying to ground ethics in reason, not revelation, because he was attempting to protect religion from the onslaught of modernity.

God is not going to judge us for our obedience to human ethic values, he will if we do not keep his commandments.
 
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God is not going to judge us for our obedience to human ethic values, he will if we do not keep his commandments.

No, God judges us by who belongs to him, and who does not, who he knows as his own, and who he does not recognize. The works of his sheep merely confirm their identity, they do not sway his judgment.
 
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Ethics is man's opinion. Truth is God's. God's Truth does not change. Ethics does. Ethics are different in various times and places. Truth is eternal. There may be times and places when God's Truth is considered very ethical, and other times or places when God's Truth is considered Unethical. Was Jesus' teaching considered ethical to the Jews? Pharisees, Sadducee, and Scribes? What about to the Gentiles? His disciples? The Father? See how ethics is the moral belief of what men say is right and wrong, whereas Truth is what God says is right and wrong. Israel is in a time and place where the ethics of men contradict the Truth of God. And he is suffering for it, but will be rewarded by God.
 
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No, God judges us by who belongs to him, and who does not, who he knows as his own, and who he does not recognize. The works of his sheep merely confirm their identity, they do not sway his judgment.

What we do with all the scriptures that say if you practice willfull sin, you are in grave danger?
 
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What we do with all the scriptures that say if you practice willfull sin, you are in grave danger?

Justification by grace through faith alone is still the theological locus, which means we bracket that within that understanding. If it cannot be neatly resolved, then we accept there is an apparrent paradox or dialectic, but grace is still the theological locus. As Luther told Melanchthon, no sin can separate us from the Lamb of God.

Grace is not condoning sin, but there is nonetheless a real liberty for the Christian.
 
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Justification by grace through faith alone is still the theological locus, which means we bracket that within that understanding. If it cannot be neatly resolved, then we accept there is an apparrent paradox or dialectic, but grace is still the theological locus. As Luther told Melanchthon, no sin can separate us from the Lamb of God.

Grace is not condoning sin, but there is nonetheless a real liberty for the Christian.

With all our weakesses and all but at least we need to strive for this:

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sinmight be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Slaves to Righteousness
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to Godthat, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin,you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Justification by grace through faith alone is still the theological locus, which means we bracket that within that understanding. If it cannot be neatly resolved, then we accept there is an apparrent paradox or dialectic, but grace is still the theological locus. As Luther told Melanchthon, no sin can separate us from the Lamb of God.

Grace is not condoning sin, but there is nonetheless a real liberty for the Christian.

Actually sin is the only thing supposed to be able to separate us from God. We should treat it seriously.
 
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Actually sin is the only thing supposed to be able to separate us from God. We should treat it seriously.

What was Christ's death for, in not to overcome the power of sin, then? If God's love is limited by sin's power, something is seriously wrong with our theology.
 
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What was Christ's death for, in not to overcome the power of sin, then? If God's love is limited by sin's power, something is seriously wrong with our theology.

Jesus is able to free us from sin yes.
 
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start of Christian beliefs coming under fire constantly and the Bible tells us we will be persecuted so we must expect it

Christian beliefs is not whats under attack. Rugby, like any world sport, is independent of one's religious beliefs. I believe that the position of rugby therefore was to assert that independence. Individuals are still free to follow whatever religion they choose.

Did he walk walk around during rugby saying these things?
Yes he did. As a high profile member of the National team, he expressed his views on public platforms despite significant endeavours by the organisation seeking him to desist.

Does signing a contract mean you can't let your beliefs be known?
That is correct. There is a policy that players at that level sign, concerning the use of social and public media.
 
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How can a sport that's really about people bashing each other up

No thats not what the sport is I think perhaps you are confused and thinking of various forms of martial arts

be so sacred that one homophobic comment is an outrage that demands satisfaction,
There were several issues he pointed to in addition to homosexuality, including sex outside of marriage.

The sporting union has every right to attempt to be inclusive and not bring into disrepute, players or followers because of who they choose to love, or whether their mother is a single mum, or they live in a defacto relationship.

Is that not a fair expectation of the sport?
 
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He was just repeating what the bible says:

1 Corinthians 6:8-10 King James Version (KJV)

Is it your argument that those representing a sport, should be allowed to to publicly state their religious convictions - eg a Islamic player stating that Sharia law should be imposed and that all non-muslims are going to hell...... or a Hindu espousing the virtues of a wife leaping onto her husbands funeral pyre.... or a christian citing verses in the bible that homosexuals should be put to death (and yes I read such a post on this site just today).

Or is it more reasonable for any enterprise to say - If you represent us, then be aware that we are independent of religious convictions - By all means practice your religion but do not speak publicly while you represent this enterprise.
 
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Any sexual activity outside of a lawful marriage between a man and a woman is exceedingly sinful
Not all religions believe that. So which religion is a sport to give licence to, in terms of speaking on their behalf.... Islamic? LDS, RC, Hindu? Which one has the right to speak for a sport?
 
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