Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

[Major1]

And again, SO WHAT ?

SO WHAT???

Do you realize how far off course you are?

It is faith in Christ's work alone. The moment you add anything thing to the completed work of Christ before, during or after faith in Christ you are saying Christ's work on the Cross was imperfect. Let me be emphatically clear, Christ's work on the cross on our behalf was all-sufficient in the eyes of a righteous God and whether we keep the law or follow the law or even say that we have to stand on our head to be saved, we just became a Judaizer.

So is it my faith that saves me? No, it is not even our faith that saves us. It is believing on Christ that saves us. "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe." If you say that your faith saves you, your faith has become a work, and you have something of which to boast. Faith does not save us.

It is through faith in Christ that we are saved. Faith is only the instrument; it is not the cause of our justification. It is the link to the object of saving faith that is Christ and His saving work. Jesus is the righteousness that saves us.

The cause of our justification is the Lord Jesus Christ and all that He has done. We must never put anything, not even faith, in that place. Faith is only the channel through which the righteousness of God becomes mine.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And again, there is NO ONE who can keep all the laws perfectly even when they try.

And again, SO WHAT ?

Do you realize how far off course you are?

It looks like you are making GIGANTIC ASSUMPTIONS of something there's no evidence for.
Why ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

(Show anyone here, any poster, any visitor, any member, (quote their post) if they said they can keep all of the laws perfectly ) (regardless if they try to or not)

 

[Major1]

It looks like you are making GIGANTIC ASSUMPTIONS of something there's no evidence for.
Why ?

No sir, not at all. Just responding to your comments with the truth of God's Word.

 

[Major1]

(Show anyone here, any poster, any visitor, any member, (quote their post) if they said they can keep all of the laws perfectly ) (regardless if they try to or not)

NO ONE is going to post that my friend because there is NO ONE who has or can keep the laws of God perfectly.

For the life of me I do not understand why you would even ask such a question.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

NO ONE is going to post that my friend because there is NO ONE who has or can keep the laws of God perfectly.

For the life of me I do not understand why you would even ask such a question.

Yes, for the life of all;
the question is because some here have accused others (without any just and right reason to)
of depending on keeping the law for their salvation.
No one, none of the accusers yet, has shown anyone doing that; they just accuse us/them/others.

 

[1John2:4]

NO ONE is going to post that my friend because there is NO ONE who has or can keep the laws of God perfectly.

For the life of me I do not understand why you would even ask such a question.

Dueteronomy 30: 11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor isit beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.

 

[DeaconDean]

Joseph Prince isn't the issue here.

Never said it was. Only that what he said is pertinent to this discussion.

People want to quote what Jesus said, and not look at the context in which it was said.

That you are attempting to say Jesus did not teach the ten commandments or say they are still enforce is.

I never said that. Post it here for all to see.

What I said was Jesus took all 613 laws and boiled them down to two, and we have trouble obeying those two.

There is no context in which it can be proved Jesus vacated the ten commandments.

So what part of the "law" did Jesus not fulfill?

Remember:

"And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone." -Deut. 4:13 (KJV)

The Decalogue and the "Law" are combined in one. (According to Deut. 4:13)

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What I said was Jesus took all 613 laws and boiled them down to two, and we have trouble obeying those two.

Did the Apostles and disciples who remained faithful to JESUS in the NT assemblies have trouble obeying those two ?
JESUS told them if they loved HIM, they would obey HIM,
and that what HE TOLD them was not burdensome.
The ones who did not obey HIM left HIM. They simply walked away from HIM.

 

[DeaconDean]

Having no more need for a tutor is not at all the same as having no more need for what the tutor taught you. When you reach the point when you have mastered all of your tutor's lessons, are you then supposed to disregard everything they taught you? God's law is not opposed to His grace because a house divided against itself cannot stand, but rather we have received grace to bring about the obedience of faith (Romans 1:5).

What else did Paul write to the Galatians?

He said: "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." -Gal. 3:25 (KJV)

The "old" system of works, is done away with. We are no longer under it.

Paul called the "law" a "yoke of bondage" (cf. Gal. 5:1), and told us not to again be under the yoke of bondage.

He also taught:

"But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." -Gal. 5:18 (KJV)

But here again, just as Jesus took all 613 "laws" and boiled them down to two, Paul tells us:

" For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." -Gal. 5:14 (KJV)

But sadly, we still cannot do that.

If you really really want to get "nit-picky", read Acts 15 and what they said at the first Apostolic Council meeting as to exactly how much of the "Law" applies to Gentiles.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But sadly, we still cannot do that.

You've said that a couple times in the last hour I think.
You're right.

Keep seeking until, YHWH Willing, you find those who can and do do that, every day.
OR, seeking YHWH , and keep seeking, perhaps HE will let you do that?
Just like Jesus says to do. Just like the disciples faithful to HIM in the NEW TESTAMENT did.

 

[DeaconDean]

Did the Apostles and disciples who remained faithful to JESUS in the NT assemblies have trouble obeying those two ?

At least two of them did.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

You've said that a couple times in the last hour I think.
You're right.

Keep seeking until, YHWH Willing, you find those who can and do do that, every day.
OR, seeking YHWH , and keep seeking, perhaps HE will let you do that?
Just like Jesus says to do. Just like the disciples faithful to HIM in the NEW TESTAMENT did.

Have you done it perfectly?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

At least two of them did.

God Bless

Till all are one.

There were others, assemblies, in ACTS, Ephesus, etc etc
who lived "IN UNION" with Y'SHUA and did not have that trouble.

THey even died instead of deny their faith.

More recently - Foxes Book of Martyrs records many who died instead of disobeying JESUS.

All through the last 2000 years, many have died instead of disobeying.
Not many percentage-wise, no.

Just as Jesus says - few find the road to life.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Have you done it perfectly?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Same as the disciples did in the NT, Foxes Book of Martyrs, china and korea and russia ....

Same as ACTS, Ephesians, Philippians, Revelation (the ones who held fast to Jesus Name and did not deny HIM.

 

[DeaconDean]

There were others, assemblies, in ACTS, Ephesus, etc etc
who lived "IN UNION" with Y'SHUA and did not have that trouble.

THey even died instead of deny their faith.

More recently - Foxes Book of Martyrs records many who died instead of disobeying JESUS.

All through the last 2000 years, many have died instead of disobeying.
Not many percentage-wise, no.

Just as Jesus says - few find the road to life.

Here again, I can show at least two Apostles who couldn't.

AS recorded in scripture.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Here again, I can show at least two Apostles who couldn't.

AS recorded in scripture.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Good for you ? or bad? You may go with them if you wish.

 

[DeaconDean]

Good for you ? or bad? You may go with them if you wish.

So you are willing to disregard what scriptures say?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Jim Langston]

I am glad to hear that Jim. It has been obvious that you are trying to use entrapment to force some kind of spoken error to validate your thinking.

I have said and say one more time to you .........
"We all should try to follow the commandments of God".

"However, we do not have to follow the commandments to be saved or to stay saved because we are not saved by the law but by GRACE through faith.

I do not know of any other way to say that so you can understand.

What you say is wrong. We are told by Jesus do not kill, do not steal, do not lie. We are told thete os no condemnation for those in christ, and those in christ do not live on sin, that is, they love their neighbors as them selves, that is, they follow the ten commandments.

My fear is one day someone unsaved is going to ask you if they have to follow the ten commandments to be saved and you'll say no. So they'll lie, steal and cheat all the while thinking they are right with god. Knowing you'll be calked the least in tge kingdom of god does nothing for that poor soul suffering eternity in hell all because you wanted to play games with words. "But that's not what I meant" does no goid once one faces the judgement. You know, for a fact, that if we continue to live in sin we are not saved, you've as much said so. But because the words aren't exactly the way you say them you think that means something. All means is your doctrine is unsound. Do you deny that time and time again it says in the bible that those continuing living in sin won't enter the kingdom of god? Do you deny the scriptures that say all liars won't enter the kingdom of god, etc...? You know what the bible says, i've heard you paraphrase it enough. I know your reply is going to be something along the lines of but we're not saved ny works. This is why we are in the end days. People read in the bible that we must not live in sin but live in the spirit to be saved and deny it because they think not sinning is works.

 

[DeaconDean]

Hebrews also tells us that for all it was, the "law" had a fatal flaw.

"For finding fault with them," -Heb. 8:8 (KJV)

"Finally, the book of Hebrews demonstrates that the old covenant of the Mosaic Law was only temporary and has been replaced by the coming of Christ whose ministry is based on (1) a better priesthood, one after the order of Melchizedek which is superior to Aaron’s, and (2) a better covenant with better promises (see Heb. 7-10). The old covenant was only a shadow of heavenly things, and if it had been able to make men perfect before God there would have been no occasion for a second or new covenant (see Heb. 7:11-12; 8:1-13). This change in the priesthood also necessitates a change in the Law. Such a change shows the Law has been terminated or done away.

The Limitations of the Mosaic Law

When approached as a meritorious system, the Law cannot justify (Gal. 2:16), give life (Gal. 3:21), give the Holy Spirit (Gal. 3:2, 14), sanctify (Gal. 3:21; 5:5; Rom. 8:3), make perfect, or permanently deal with sin (Heb. 7:19). It was designed to be a temporary guardian until the coming of Christ, the Suffering Messiah Savior."

Source

Furthermore, the "Law" could not make one "righteous". (cf. Gal. 2:21)

In Christ, I have been declared "righteous" and I have been "justified".

God Bless

Till all are one.