Is Everybody going to heaven?

[Floatingaxe]

I hope you are having a fantastic evening, Floatingaxe!

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Loving it!

 

[enoch son]

I pray along with you! It is a treacherous teaching.

Oh- what a mistake I'm making telling people GOOD IS LOVE AND HIS LOVE FOR ALL POEPLE WINS.

 

[enoch son]

There are innumerable times in Scripture where God uses "all", and he is clearly referring to His people, and not the whole world. You need to read in context at all times.

You mean like when He say's I'm the all in all? The everything of everything? That's aminal,plant and mineral. earthily and heavenly. What do you think He left out? Anybody that doesn't believe like you?

 

[enoch son]

Now YOU'VE got to be kidding, right???

Every knee will bow, but not all with adoration! Many billions will bow in horror, and under duress, knowing that they have chosen poorly. The cross is not available to them. They will have already rejected it. There is no second chance once one has died.

Chapter and vers. please? The word say's ALL will bow with great love.

 

[enoch son]

You found some of Papacoyote's posts? You felt the power on them?

Let me just say that power doesn't mean to me what man thinks it means. I hope that makes sense. To me it means the LOVE OF GOD COMING OFF SOMEBODIES BEING. POWER IS LOVE! And yes there was much love.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Oh- what a mistake I'm making telling people GOOD IS LOVE AND HIS LOVE FOR ALL POEPLE WINS.

Yes God is love. He is also jealous, and bears anger toward the wicked, and promises to pour out His wrath upon them, and banish them forever. His love will win out in the end so that His own children, (His sheep--not the goats) will forever be His family and live with Him forever, never more to see evil again.

Yes, God loves all people, but He doesn't KNOW all people. He knows only His own...the sheep of His own pasture--not the goat paddock of His enemy!

Telling the world that God is all love and will not pass judgment on the wicked, those who reject Christ Jesus, is a huge mistake and is not evangelizing! Neglecting the teaching of who God is in all His fullness of character is false teaching coming from a huge blind spot of fear and ignorance of the truth.

Please---Take off those rose-coloured glasses

and teach the truth about Jehovah Makkeh--The Lord Who Strikes!

Ezekiel 7:9
I will turn my eyes away and show no pity.
I will repay you for all your detestable sins.
Then you will know that it is I, the Lord,
who is striking the blow.

 

[HumbleServant94]

This is insane. The Bible is God's Word, and God's Word says hell is a literal place and that those who don't believe in Jesus must spend the eternity in hell. God loves all man, this is true. But God must send unbelievers into hell for eternity. He can never lie and He can never refrain from the judgement. That is the way things are. If you don't believe that, you are contradicting the Bible. If you contradict the Bible, you CONTRADICT GOD!!!

 

[Ave Maria]

No, not everyone will go to Heaven. Only those who are saved by the blood of Jesus will go to Heaven. Consider these verses:

Matthew 7:13 ESV "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
Matthew 7:14 ESV For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Matthew 25:41 ESV "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Romans 11:2 ESV God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
Romans 11:3 ESV "Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."
Romans 11:4 ESV But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
Romans 11:5 ESV So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

Luke 13:23 ESV And someone said to him, "Lord, will those who are saved be few?" And he said to them,
Luke 13:24 ESV "Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

John 14:6 ESV Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 5:39 ESV You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
John 5:40 ESV yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

God bless,
PaladinGirl

 

[Floatingaxe]

Chapter and vers. please? The word say's ALL will bow with great love.

Prove that it is talking about the wicked.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Let me just say that power doesn't mean to me what man thinks it means. I hope that makes sense. To me it means the LOVE OF GOD COMING OFF SOMEBODIES BEING. POWER IS LOVE! And yes there was much love.

You got it!!

You must of done some searchin Bro

 

[Floatingaxe]

Reading your posts, your owen words of hate put you in big trouble with him under your owen doctrine.

It is LOVE that tells the truth and doesn't rewrite the Word of God in molasses. It is NOT love that hands a person with 4th stage Cancer a placebo, and tells him he will be cured.

There is nothing wrong with God that you have to tell lies about Him. Satan is very good at it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

This is insane. The Bible is God's Word, and God's Word says hell is a literal place and that those who don't believe in Jesus must spend the eternity in hell. God loves all man, this is true. But God must send unbelievers into hell for eternity. He can never lie and He can never refrain from the judgement. That is the way things are. If you don't believe that, you are contradicting the Bible. If you contradict the Bible, you CONTRADICT GOD!!!

Blessings! Welcome to the asylum.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Prove that it is talking about the wicked.

Pillippians [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Every

Strong's Greek Definition for # 3956

3956 // pav // pas // pas //

including all the forms of declension; TDNT - 5:886,795; adj

AV - all 748, all things 170, every 117, all men 41, whosoever 31,
everyone 28, whole 12, all manner of 11, every man 11,
no + 3756 9, every thing 7, any 7, whatsoever 6,
whosoever + 3739 + 302 3, always + 1223 3, daily + 2250 2,
any thing 2, no + 3361 2, not tr 7, misc 26; 1243

1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things,
everything
2) collectively

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[HEisGoodalways]

Prove that it is talking about the wicked.

Pillipians

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the FatherThe word every

Strong's Greek Definition for # 3956

3956 // pav // pas // pas //

including all the forms of declension; TDNT - 5:886,795; adj

AV - all 748, all things 170, every 117, all men 41, whosoever 31,
everyone 28, whole 12, all manner of 11, every man 11,
no + 3756 9, every thing 7, any 7, whatsoever 6,
whosoever + 3739 + 302 3, always + 1223 3, daily + 2250 2,
any thing 2, no + 3361 2, not tr 7, misc 26; 1243

1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things,
everything
2) collectively

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[SavedByGrace3]

People should be careful with the boko of Revelation.
Revelation 22:18-19 RV
(18) I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
(19) and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

We may have different understandings about what these things mean... but lets not discount them altogether.

Peace.
Dids

 

[Floatingaxe]

People should be careful with the boko of Revelation.
Revelation 22:18-19 RV
(18) I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
(19) and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

We may have different understandings about what these things mean... but lets not discount them altogether.

Peace.
Dids

Righto!

 

[DeborahsSong]

HEisGoodalways-How I enjoy your posts, particularly 148, since at church this morning we touched on some of the issues you bring up. We were speculating that those who triumph over the beast and his mark in Rev 15 may be believers who believe, i.e. they hear His words, keep His testimonies and His works. Those who don't overcome, are still focused on their old Adamic nature and man's works. The mark of the beast is on the forehead, so it could speak of our mind and identity. The mark on the hand could reference man's work. In other words, the message may be that there's the old man and the new man, and if you haven't made the shift, you will not be in the group of overcomers. Recall, 2 men, not a man and a woman, in a bed. One will be taken, the other left, Luke 17:34. (I just looked up "taken" in Strong's and it can have the meaning of "assume an office", interesting.)

Another way to state this is that many Christians see themselves as the old man, since our minds were taken hostage by the sinful nature. Case in point, the old man says "Can I make it thru the day without sinning?" The new man says "Praise God, I thank you for my true nature, which cannot sin, and for your testimony that I am holy in Christ and seated in heavenly places."-hugh difference.

My musings relate to the thread topic in this way. Have you noticed the Song of Moses, since you became an inclusionist? I had not. Rev 15:4 "Who shall not fear thee, O lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only are holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest." This song seems to be a testimony the overcomers have, and, if so, to whom? Since "angel" can mean simply messenger, perhaps this group are the angels ministering to those in the lake? Again, disclaimer-just wondering.

I'm inclined to think the HS designed Rev to work on several levels.

 

[Ave Maria]

I'm inclined to think the HS designed Rev to work on several levels.

I am inclined to think the same way.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I'm inclined to believe strongly that some people should really avoid Revelation and stick to the meat and potatoes of the Word. Without the basics about God and His nature and His promise, it is just too confusing to them.

 

[DeborahsSong]

PaladineGirl (I love my precious kitties too). Thanks for your latest post! In your earlier post (168), most of the verses you quote, are no trouble at all from an inclusionist point of view. The exception would be Mt 25:41, where we would take issue with aion meaning eternal in the Greek.

The reason your other verses are not problematic is that man is harvested in stages over the ages (aions). As Paul puts it in 1 Cor 15:22-24 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end...."

As to the narrow door, have you noticed how evasive Jesus was in his answer? He really didn't answer their question at all. Recall also, that when Jesus said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to be saved, His disciples asked "Who then can be saved?" Jesus response was that for man it is impossible, but not for God.

I hope this throws some light on the inclusionist perspective, althought I can't speak for all. Good night and God bless you, as well.