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Is Everybody going to heaven?

Will everyone go to heaven?

  • Yes: Hell does not exist

  • Yes: Hell does exist but it is not permenant (God will rehab every soul)

  • No:There is a literal hell and those who go there never come back

  • I don't have an opinion / undecided


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Final?
LOL.. that would be true if the word "final" was found in the passage you quoted.
Which of course it is not.

Just a thought.


Revelation 20:11-15

The Final Judgment

11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.


FINAL judgment means just that---FINAL.

At this point there ain't no one on their knees..no place to hide, it says. No one found in the Book of Life, those who are unredeemed by the blood of Christ--are put away forever.

 
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Use the KJV version. It's the most accurate version and according to it hell is a literal place. Besides, if someone did tamper the Bible, then we shouldn't trust the Bible. It doesn't make any sense.

Actually, while it certainly is a useful translation, the KJV has much controversy surrounding it. For one thing, the "authorized" KJV used to contain the Apocrypha, back when it's "authorized" status was already in place. Later, the Apocrypha was taken out of it, which raises the question of just how authorized it could have been in the first place, if even then it needed correction (the omitting of the Apocryphal books).

There's more to the controversy than that, but I don't want to digress too much from the OP... Long story short, we would do better to lean more heavily on King Jesus than King James. ;)


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:amen::amen::amen:

To hear the way some carry on, one would think that Christ never went through the trouble He did to save us. Thank you for acknowledging Jesus' role in the redemption of all creation, HEisGoodalways!

Your statement above reminds me of that song by Point of Grace, called "The Great Divide", where they say,
"There's a bridge to cross the great divide
There's a cross to bridge the great divide."
That bridge is Jesus, through His sacrifice on the cross!


The only bridge that Jesus bridged was the bridge over the punishment we would receive had we not accepted His free gift of salvation. It is where everyone is headed without Jesus.

Take the free gift! But do not preach that those who refuse it get to cross that bridge of the cross. They don't, and preaching deception is a sin that will not go unpunished.
 
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One thing the current collection of threads has made clear. There is a whole lot of stuff in our doctrines regarding heaven and hell that is misplaced, misread, misunderstood, and just plain made up.
The terms "hell" "grave" "sheol" "hades" "the lake of fine" etc etc exist in scripture. That is to be sure. But we often assign definitinos to them based on our traditions, our prejudices, our presumptions, our preconcieved ideas, and our doubt and fears.
As one poster said... even those who are pro "eternal torture" cannot agree on these defnitions.

Something is wrong with the entire concept.
Peace.
 
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One thing the current collection of threads has made clear. There is a whole lot of stuff in our doctrines regarding heaven and hell that is misplaced, misread, misunderstood, and just plain made up.
The terms "hell" "grave" "sheol" "hades" "the lake of fine" etc etc exist in scripture. That is to be sure. But we often assign definitinos to them based on our traditions, our prejudices, our presumptions, our preconcieved ideas, and our doubt and fears.
As one poster said... even those who are pro "eternal torture" cannot agree on these defnitions.

Something is wrong with the entire concept.
Peace.

I don't have trouble with it, as most believers who bother to study the Word don't. We learn the differences between the meanings of the words, and we see how they were used, even by Jesus Himself, and we go by that. We don't allow Johnny-come-lately's with new and new-fangled theology to come and prey on doubts and fears, instilling them where they are absent, and lead new believers, weak believers and unbelievers down the old garden path of UNIVERSALISM to an imperfect knowledge of God.
 
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Well anyone can make statements like this can't they. Boil it down to and all you are saying is that you are right, everyone else is wrong, when in fact it is your opinion against theirs.
These people DO study the word. You are not the only one. These people are not "Johnny-come-lately's". They are solid and faithful believers who are seeking the truth. The things they are saying are not "new fangled" and in the end their opinions are just as valid as yours.
Questioning their integrity instead of addressing the issues only leads one to believe that you do not have enough truth on your side so you have to resort to these sorts of attacks.
If your points are valid, they will stand on their own, without the insults and attacks.

I don't have trouble with it, as most believers who bother to study the Word don't. We learn the differences between the meanings of the words, and we see how they were used, even by Jesus Himself, and we go by that. We don't allow Johnny-come-lately's with new and new-fangled theology to come and prey on doubts and fears, instilling them where they are absent, and lead new believers, weak believers and unbelievers down the old garden path of UNIVERSALISM to an imperfect knowledge of God.
 
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Well anyone can make statements like this can't they. Boil it down to and all you are saying is that you are right, everyone else is wrong, when in fact it is your opinion against theirs.
These people DO study the word. You are not the only one. These people are not "Johnny-come-lately's". They are solid and faithful believers who are seeking the truth.

I don't see any of them seeking truth---only another "truth" because the truth that is given in the Word isn't palatable enough. I don't know how many times I've seen them call God a "monster" when confronted with His true character.

Somehow the truth about the nature and promises of God are too terrible, and another god is created, an idol that bears no resemblance to Jehovah, but does bear a slight resemblance to The Wizard of Oz....and we all know who that was--a liar.
 
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"And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord ... with righteousness shall He JUDGE ... the wolf shall dwell with the Lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den ... for THE WHOLE EARTH SHALL BE FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD, as the waters cover the sea" (Isa. 11:2-9).

As the seven-fold Spirit of the Lord flows over the earth from the many membered body of Christ, what peace, what joy, what blessedness this will result in for the earth-realm! What changes shall be wrought, what altering of attitudes, what changing of personalities, what transforming of lives! Imagine the human personalities and characteristics that are here symbolically likened to the wolf, the leopard, the lion, the bear, the asp, the cockatrice! And while God could certainly alter the whole constitution of the animal kingdom if He so chose, our present application of the type must be to the peace and life of the Kingdom of God on a higher level where men of the most wicked, corrupt, and fierce dispositions have their natures so entirely transformed by the matchless grace of Christ that they live in love and righteousness with the meekest of men and those who formerly were an easy prey. Christ, who is our peace, came to establish PEACE IN THE HEARTS OF MEN! Thus the asp and the cockatrice (poisonous serpents) cease to be venomous, so that parents let their little children play with them. In other words, a "generation of vipers" shall be so converted and made a "seed of saints" that the "little ones" of the Kingdom of God shall be trustingly committed into their care! Matchless grace! Glorious triumph! Wonderful peace! Precious blood! "The seven Spirits of God SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH." Who would not desire it?
The nations shall indeed be saved! All creation shall be gloriously reconciled to God! I know some do not believe it, but I do not hesitate to tell you that their unbelief shall not make the faith of God of none effect, nor shall it hinder God's program one bit. Their refusal to embrace God's glorious plan shall only disqualify them from being a part of that wonderful company of the sons of God through which the redemption and restoration shall be effected. I feel a great pity for those who cherish the beautiful hope of sonship, yet fail to permit the perfect work of God's grace and mercy to all men to be fully inworked in their lives. They would still damn men who failed to believe in this life, and the fact that they would consign them to eternal torture without mercy disqualifies them from ministering deliverance to those poor souls for whom Christ died. It is my deep conviction that none who oppose and reject the precious truth of the ultimate salvation of all men and the reconciliation of all things to God will stand in the company of the MANIFESTED SONS OF GOD. For this company of DELIVERERS to have within its ranks men who shut the mercy of God up from men, who have not sufficient faith to believe that Christ can and will save all, and who would damn men to eternal hell would mean the destruction of the MINISTRY OF THE SONS TO ALL CREATION.
The nations shall be saved. All creation shall be set free. God shall, in His great mercy and love, raise up JUDGES, DELIVERERS unto them. At long last, thank God! deliverance shall come to the great masses of mankind. And it shall not be merely a deliverance from Communism, or Nazism, or Fascism; not a deliverance from Moscow, or Peking, or Washington; not a deliverance from taxes, or tyranny, or bureaucracy, or joblessness, or hunger; but deliverance from SIN and SELFHOOD and SATAN: a powerful cleansing which strikes at the root of all the multiplied sorrows and tragedies of mankind. Deliverance from WHAT WE ARE, blessed be His name!
"Joy to the world! the Lord is come;
Let earth receive her King;

Let every heart prepare Him room,
And heaven and nature sing.

"No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;

He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found.

"He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love."

 
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Follow the yellow brick road.
 
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THE LAKE OF FIRE
I believe every word that the Bible says about the lake of fire; I don't believe what Rome says about it, nor what the apostate Churches say about it, nor what tradition says about it; but I certainly believe what the Bible says about it.
The teaching concerning the lake of fire does not appear anywhere in Scripture except in the book of Revelation where it is spoken of in the following passages: Rev. 14:10-11; 19:20; 20:10; 20:13-15 and 21:8. This last passage definitely states, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." There should be no question remaining as to the certainty of this lake of fire; neither should there be any doubt as to the awful consequence of having to be cast into it. These Scriptures with their dreadful foreboding should be a fearful warning to all unthinking and foolish people who, because of their love for the world, the flesh, and the devil, have dared to ask why we should serve God now if all are going to be saved eventually. Such people have no love for God nor fear of God, and they manifest by what they say that their professed serving of God is only a pretense, arising - not from any true love for Him - but from fear of punishment. If there were no prospect of hell these would promptly tell God to go to hell and they would, themselves, go to the devil. It is not thus with those who truly love God, for they serve not from fear, but from pure love and devotion. Remove punishment completely from the universe, and they would still serve God with all their hearts.
Because of the gross misunderstanding of almost all people concerning the lake of fire, I would like to draw your attention to three words found in the passage quoted above. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which BURNS with FIRE and BRIMSTONE: which is the second death." The word BURN means combustion, or to consume. To consume does not mean to annihilate, for there is no such thing as annihilation in the absolute sense. When fire consumes a log in your fireplace it does not destroy any of the elements within the log, it merely changes their form. Combustion is the process by which chemicals combine to form new chemicals. For example: a tree might be cut down, sawed into fire wood, and burned. When the wood is burning the heat causes the chemicals of which the wood is composed to vaporize, mixing with the oxygen in the air to form new chemicals, including water and the gas carbon dioxide. So what was formerly a tree is no longer identified as the form of a tree, but the substance thereof is now simply CHANGED into a DIFFERENT FORM and exists in its new form within the atmosphere as water, carbon dioxide, etc. Thus, to bum, means to CHANGE. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that fire does not burn down; it always burns up; it seeks the highest level. And all that it consumes "goes up in smoke," to exist in a new form in a higher dimension. Even if you take a pan of water and place it over a fire, before long the water will take on the property of the fire and will begin to go up in steam. To burn means to CHANGE, and the change is always UPWARD in its motion.
FIRE is the heat and light that you feel and see when something burns. It takes heat to start a fire, but once the fire is started it produces heat that keeps the process going. Thus, fire is really HEAT and LIGHT.
In my study of the lake that burns with fire and brimstone I was very much helped and impressed by the understanding given by Charles Pridgeon and I would like to quote from his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE. He says: "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it" -end quote.
I realize that the above thoughts define the subject very briefly, but let us summarize the meanings thus: BURN means combustion; to change the form of. FIRE means heat and light. BRIMSTONE means divine. Putting these three together can we not see that the lake burning with fire and brimstone is, actually, DIVINE HEAT AND LIGHT PRODUCING A CHANGE! Is such a process eternal? All the laws of nature shout that it is not! More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem's gates which would devour her palaces. "But if you will not hearken unto Me ... then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched" (Jer. 17:27). Did not God say this fire "shall NOT BE QUENCHED?" This prophecy was fulfilled and the fire did occur a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (Jer. 52:13). Since God said no person or thing would "quench" this fire, did that mean that it would burn for ever? Since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose! Unquenchable fire is not eternal fire - it is simply fire that cannot be put out until it has consumed or changed everything it is possible for it to change! It then simply goes out, for there is nothing more to burn. Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into bell fire where "their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched" and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term "unquenchable" and its use in the Word of God.
Are the judgments of God permanent? Isaiah says, "When Your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness" (Isa. 26:9). And Mat. 12:20 says, "A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench, till He send forth judgment unto victory." Judgment, therefore, is not an eternal condition, but it is given to produce that victory. Judgments of themselves do not save anyone, but they are used by God to bring one to one's self, to effect a change of attitude and will, to consume away the stubbornness and rebellion of men. Punishment by fire is a beneficent one. "Our GOD is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29). The basic purpose of this divine fire of God is to cleanse, purify, purge, temper and change. It is to rid of impurities, of filth, of undesirable elements. There is no better way to deal with filth than to deal with it by fire.
The punishment by penal fire leads back to the beginning of things. The final work of God in this world will be the destruction of the world (order) by penal fire. That will change all things. That will melt all the elements, so that no man can tell you where his original grab was. It will burn up all the governments, institutions, systems, and fruitage of the carnal mind. It will melt all the customs, cultures, traditions, and practices of society and make of this earth a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. Every man's work will eventually be tested in this fire. The fire will try every man's work of what sort it is. If you and I build into our walls wood, hay, and stubble, that fire will find it out, and the wall will come tumbling down. When God turns on the HEAT, the BLAZING LIGHT OF HIS SPIRIT AND WORD - some things begin to change! The fire is never sent to destroy the PERSON, but to purge out all that hinders and separates him from his God, to consume the pride, arrogance, hostility, defiance, and rebellion of the flesh, the carnal mind, that He might then be wooed and drawn by the Holy Spirit unto the Father of Spirits and live.
More than three centuries ago when the Black Plague swept through London, England, more than 68,000 men, women, and children were sickened with the putrid fever, suffered nameless agonies, passed into delirium, sometimes with convulsions, and then died. Before the end of the terrible nightmare of anguish and death, what was thought to be an even greater tragedy occured. The city caught fire, the whole heavens were ablaze as the Great Fire destroyed more than 13,200 homes and 89 churches. Most of the city, which was built largely of wood, lay in ashes. Wonder of wonders! As soon as the last dying embers cooled and the smoke cleared, the inhabitants of the city discovered that the Plague had been stayed! Not another person died of the epidemic. The Plague never returned. The fire had killed the bacteria-carrying fleas and rats that caused the Plague. It took a fire to do it! Fire is a great cleanser, purifier, and changer.
We all know that a horse must be broken, that is, its will must be broken before it is of any practical use to man. God put that will in the horse, but it must be broken and made to conform to the will of man. Just as surely did God put the will in man, BUT IT MUST BE BROKEN and we will benefit by the very process of breaking. Man may do a lot of crying and wailing, but when he is broken to HIS will, what a wonderful condition it is. God may take man over some rough places, even through the lake of fire and brimstone, but the love of God will break every man to His will. If you think the Kingdom of God is rosewater, or eau-de-cologne, you are mistaken. You cannot war on the devil with that. You cannot war on the carnal minds of men with that. You have to make war on the world, the flesh, and the devil with a sword sharper than any twoedged sword. You have to make war on the carnal mind with fire, divine fire that must burn up every inherent altar of Baal, and lick up the very dust around. Make no mistake! OUR GOD is a consuming fire! He is man's "horse breaker" and He will break you, precious friend of mine, and bring you to the foot of the cross of Jesus no matter how hot He has to build the fire around you! Even if long ages of fiery judgment and tormenting darkness fall upon you, they will last no longer than till the Great Fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self has died in the bloody sweat and all-saving cross of the Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God.
 
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Again.. this is YOUR opinion,which is no better and no worse than theirs.
They could say the same thing about you... maybe they do. I don't know.:p
Personally, I am reassessing what I think based on ALL the scriptures. We cannot trump some verses with others. What one verse says does not discount what another verse says. There has to be answer, and seeking that answer does not make someone bad. I for one am simply doing what the word says... i am seeking first the kingdom; I am searching out the scriptures to see if these things be so. So I am not afraid of asking questions. I know my God and I know that there are not contradictions in His word. There is an answer. That answer is truth.
Peace


I don't see any of them seeking truth---only another "truth" because the truth that is given in the Word isn't palatable enough. I don't know how many times I've seen them call God a "monster" when confronted with His true character.

Somehow the truth about the nature and promises of God are too terrible, and another god is created, an idol that bears no resemblance to Jehovah, but does bear a slight resemblance to The Wizard of Oz....and we all know who that was--a liar.
 
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Again.. this is YOUR opinion,which is no better and no worse than theirs.
They could say the same thing about you... maybe they do. I don't know.:p
Personally, I am reassessing what I think based on ALL the scriptures. We cannot trump some verses with others. What one verse says does not discount what another verse says. There has to be answer, and seeking that answer does not make someone bad. I for one am simply doing what the word says... i am seeking first the kingdom; I am searching out the scriptures to see if these things be so. So I am not afraid of asking questions. I know my God and I know that there are not contradictions in His word. There is an answer. That answer is truth.
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Good. :thumbsup: Make sure you know who God is and if anyone tries to remove certain characteristics from His nature that are clearly spoken of in His word by Himself, then you need to disregard such voices.
 
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This is all just sad. I sure pray you're all unsuccessful when attempting to spread this garbage among the people around you, for both your sake and theirs.

I pray along with you! It is a treacherous teaching.
 
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Very telling that I am viewed as an enemy. Jesus is my Saviour and Lord, so how can that be, pray tell?
No, that's verse 27 that mentions enemies. Verse 28 just gives advice on how to respond to those who mistreat and/or insult you. Not everyone who does that is necessarily an enemy. ;)



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"And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord ... with righteousness shall He JUDGE ... the wolf shall dwell with the Lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den ... for THE WHOLE EARTH SHALL BE FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD, as the waters cover the sea" (Isa. 11:2-9).

As the seven-fold Spirit of the Lord flows over the earth from the many membered body of Christ, what peace, what joy, what blessedness this will result in for the earth-realm! What changes shall be wrought, what altering of attitudes, what changing of personalities, what transforming of lives! Imagine the human personalities and characteristics that are here symbolically likened to the wolf, the leopard, the lion, the bear, the asp, the cockatrice! And while God could certainly alter the whole constitution of the animal kingdom if He so chose, our present application of the type must be to the peace and life of the Kingdom of God on a higher level where men of the most wicked, corrupt, and fierce dispositions have their natures so entirely transformed by the matchless grace of Christ that they live in love and righteousness with the meekest of men and those who formerly were an easy prey. Christ, who is our peace, came to establish PEACE IN THE HEARTS OF MEN! Thus the asp and the cockatrice (poisonous serpents) cease to be venomous, so that parents let their little children play with them. In other words, a "generation of vipers" shall be so converted and made a "seed of saints" that the "little ones" of the Kingdom of God shall be trustingly committed into their care! Matchless grace! Glorious triumph! Wonderful peace! Precious blood! "The seven Spirits of God SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH." Who would not desire it?
The nations shall indeed be saved! All creation shall be gloriously reconciled to God! I know some do not believe it, but I do not hesitate to tell you that their unbelief shall not make the faith of God of none effect, nor shall it hinder God's program one bit. Their refusal to embrace God's glorious plan shall only disqualify them from being a part of that wonderful company of the sons of God through which the redemption and restoration shall be effected. I feel a great pity for those who cherish the beautiful hope of sonship, yet fail to permit the perfect work of God's grace and mercy to all men to be fully inworked in their lives. They would still damn men who failed to believe in this life, and the fact that they would consign them to eternal torture without mercy disqualifies them from ministering deliverance to those poor souls for whom Christ died. It is my deep conviction that none who oppose and reject the precious truth of the ultimate salvation of all men and the reconciliation of all things to God will stand in the company of the MANIFESTED SONS OF GOD. For this company of DELIVERERS to have within its ranks men who shut the mercy of God up from men, who have not sufficient faith to believe that Christ can and will save all, and who would damn men to eternal hell would mean the destruction of the MINISTRY OF THE SONS TO ALL CREATION.
The nations shall be saved. All creation shall be set free. God shall, in His great mercy and love, raise up JUDGES, DELIVERERS unto them. At long last, thank God! deliverance shall come to the great masses of mankind. And it shall not be merely a deliverance from Communism, or Nazism, or Fascism; not a deliverance from Moscow, or Peking, or Washington; not a deliverance from taxes, or tyranny, or bureaucracy, or joblessness, or hunger; but deliverance from SIN and SELFHOOD and SATAN: a powerful cleansing which strikes at the root of all the multiplied sorrows and tragedies of mankind. Deliverance from WHAT WE ARE, blessed be His name!
"Joy to the world! the Lord is come;
Let earth receive her King;

Let every heart prepare Him room,
And heaven and nature sing.

"No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;

He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found.

"He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love."


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Our God is an awesome God, isn't He?
 
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No, that's verse 27 that mentions enemies. Verse 28 just gives advice on how to respond to those who mistreat and/or insult you. Not everyone who does that is necessarily an enemy. ;)
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And have you been mistreated and /or abused? I think God and His Word have been abused. You have merely been corrected.
 
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And have you been mistreated and /or abused? I think God and His Word have been abused. You have merely been corrected.
I hope you are having a fantastic evening, Floatingaxe! :wave:

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