Is Everybody going to heaven?

[Floatingaxe]

Totally false interpretation according to ... ?
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Jehovah.

 

[Floatingaxe]

"The whole world", in it's Jewish context means that God's Salvation isn't limited to descendents of Abraham anymore, but is also open to Gentiles. It does not mean that every gentile is saved.

Why do you keep taking everything out of context?

Out-of-context is a tenet of Universalism.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Those that believe in Him, yes. He's not a savior but a judge to those that don't believe. Sorry if that offends you.

Exactly. We choose--do we want a Saviour or a Judge?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Again, you don't feel the need to address all the verses that have been posted, all that has been done by you is to try posting another verse instead. This a fallacious tactic called a red herring. A verse is posted to you, and you effectually just say, "well look at this verse". I'm sorry there is a tension in your worldview where you don't feel the need to beleive the entire witness of scripture. If you don't want to believe it all, then just say your opinion is that parts of scripture are wrong and get it over with. When you cherrypick scripture, just own up to what you're doing. If you want to read your theology into the text and invent your own context, just say that's what you're going to do so everyone knows.

You have hit the nail on the head, friend!

 

[Svt4Him]

God does not send people to hell...





Sin does.

 

[brinny]

God does not send people to hell...





Sin does.

amen.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Meet Sir Licks-a-lot, my warrior cat! En garde!

 

[brinny]

Meet Sir Licks-a-lot, my warrior cat! En garde!

ROFLOL!!!

 

[enoch son]

I'm sure that's not what they're trying to say, but that sure is what comes across, isn't it? Yikes! :o


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What the different if one person thinks thats it leading a child off base.

 

[enoch son]

Ok but I'm referring to death being abolished and there being no more death. What happens to the dead? In revelation when it speaks about the last enemy being destroyed 'death'. What happens to those who haven't made it to heaven but are dead?

I'm thinking 'spiritual' here...I think

It was remove on the cross and done away with by Christ. FAITH NOT SIGHT. There no pie in the sky it is all over with in Christ. It's not about what you think or see. It's about what God say's. For it is written "where were you when I place the stars, tell me if you have understanding" (see job God shows up)

 

[enoch son]

This is nothing more then mans time lines and events on times that Christ said "Only the Father knows". You all are in error and don't follow Christ simplest words "TAKE NO THOUGHT OF THE FUTURE ONLY GOD KNOWS THAT". Shame on you. There no pie in the sky only here and now.

 

[enoch son]

See you in 30 day's I guess. I will not report anyone or come agianst anyone on the RIGHT OF THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I WILL DIE FOR ONES RIGHT TO THAT. ONE NATION UNDER GOD. WHAT DON'T CHRISTIAN GET ABOUT THAT?

 

[Floatingaxe]

See you in 30 day's I guess. I will not report anyone or come agianst anyone on the RIGHT OF THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I WILL DIE FOR ONES RIGHT TO THAT. ONE NATION UNDER GOD. WHAT DON'T CHRISTIAN GET ABOUT THAT?

What topic is this? Lots of Christians aren't American, you know!

Sheesh!

 

[brinny]

enoch son, have you been banned?

 

[Faulty]

This is nothing more then mans time lines and events on times that Christ said "Only the Father knows". You all are in error and don't follow Christ simplest words "TAKE NO THOUGHT OF THE FUTURE ONLY GOD KNOWS THAT". Shame on you. There no pie in the sky only here and now.

Can't seem to find that verse...

Let's see, was it this one?
Matt 6:23 - "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Of course that passage has nothing to do with the understanding of future events, but rather that God will meet our needs as they come up. So that can't be it.

Perhaps this one?
Matt 24:36 - "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Jesus refering to the time of His return. Commands us to discern the season, but didn't have a date so we could mark our calendar. That contradicts the "TAKE NO THOUGHT OF THE FUTURE" part, so that's not it either.

Anyone know the verse he's referencing?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Can't seem to find that verse...

Let's see, was it this one?
Matt 6:23 - "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Of course that passage has nothing to do with the understanding of future events, but rather that God will meet our needs as they come up. So that can't be it.

Perhaps this one?
Matt 24:36 - "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Jesus refering to the time of His return. Commands us to discern the season, but didn't have a date so we could mark our calendar. That contradicts the "TAKE NO THOUGHT OF THE FUTURE" part, so that's not it either.

Anyone know the verse he's referencing?

It is non-existent, of course.

 

[Rajni]

Who has said that Jesus died for only a portion of all humanity? Which people did He neglect? Greeks? Asians? Caucasians? Lefties? Redheads? Taxi-drivers?

It's basically been shouted from the rooftops around here, though I'm sure unintentionally.

If one believes that God, who knows the end from the beginning, sacrifices His Son on the cross knowing that only a small portion of mankind will believe unto salvation, He is (following their logic) in effect dying for only a small fraction of humanity. By setting up even the tiniest rule that one must do something to be saved, knowing that most will not do that one little thing, He is, in effect, neglecting that portion of humanity.

I still say that the type of salvation which specifically required believing was that of escaping the Judgment which took place during the fall of Jerusalem in AD70. Those who believed on Jesus are those in Judea who would flee to the mountains to escape the foretold events taking place (see Matthew 24).

Take the statement in Acts 16:31: "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved – you and your household." The general understanding of getting saved is that we can only believe for ourselves – our believing in Jesus doesn't automatically save those around us. So obviously there was something on the temporal realm from which believers would be saved that this guy's family would be saved by just his believing alone. That could very well have been Judgment day, AD70.

No, Jesus died for all!

Amen!

We take the Scriptures seriously when we believe what they say about that: that God loved us so much He sent His Son to die in our place so we won't have to perish. all we need to do is.....believe! (John 3:16)

"Perish" is a very broad term; I don't see how it must be limited to just "going to hell when we die" (especially since "hell" wasn't even in the original texts). As I said, I think that the perishing from which belief saved them was that wrought by God's wrath through Jerusalem's fall.

No belief? Then you pay for your sins yourself.

Amen. Those who didn't believe what was prophesied remained in Jerusalem, living life as though the Messiah had not been in their midst, and got creamed when Jerusalem fell big-time in 70 AD.

Now please do not extrapolate that even the dishwasher gets off work--it doesn't hold here. It is just a simple analogy and it is not meant to go that far in representing Judgment.

It's a great analogy just the way it is. And from the AD70 perspective, the dish-washer certainly didn't get off work. Because he didn't believe the Messiah and what was foretold, he chose to remain in Jerusalem "washing the dishes" that come with an old covenant Jewish lifestyle and paid dearly when the tribulation accompanying Jerusalem's Judgment Day arrived.




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[Rajni]

All this song and dance just to say,"I don't believe Jesus. He is just a liar." ???

Could you perhaps address the post and not put words in people's mouths? Thanks in advance!



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[Rajni]

The point is, those who don't avail themselves of the cross will suffer the curse of God.

I agree, belief makes all the difference in the world. However, God is the one who alone chooses who believes on Him now and who doesn't.

Those He doesn't choose to have believe on Him now are not going to be cursed eternally for something that they could not do for themselves apart from His granting it to them in the first place.

 

[Rajni]

Jehovah.

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"Jehovah", or what you personally believe Jehovah was saying?