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Featured Is Continuationism or Cessationism a hard doctrine to prove?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by JohnB445, Feb 17, 2019.

  1. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    If a boy cleaned his room five days a week, how unclean would it be on days six and seven? Or on day two for that matter?

    The folks that serve in the military figured this out pretty quickly. They set up their quarters to pass inspection. They never actually use any of the items. It is just a proper display to pass inspection.

    Our seven day a week boy would do the same thing. If Dad expected him to keep his room clean, he would just play somewhere else. The real villain in this story is the Dad.

    What were you saying about conscience?
     
  2. ICONO'CLAST

    ICONO'CLAST Well-Known Member

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    when peter quotes Joel...in acts 2:16 he says this is that which was spoken of by Joel...this is that.
     
  3. ICONO'CLAST

    ICONO'CLAST Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense..these were not the norm, then and they are not happening now.
     
  4. JAL

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    "You're wrong". That's your rebuttal of an argument? Nevermind, I see I am wasting my time.
     
  5. ICONO'CLAST

    ICONO'CLAST Well-Known Member

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    Start at vs 16;
    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    It was happening at pentecost...done deal.
     
  6. Saint Steven

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    Nope. Look at what else included in "those days" vs 19-20.

    Acts 2:17-20
    “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.
    19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    20 The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great
    and glorious day of the Lord.
     
  7. Saint Steven

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    Peter also said this.

    Acts 2:39
    The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
     
  8. Saint Steven

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    1 Corinthians 14:39
    Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
     
  9. ICONO'CLAST

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    Yes...and if we were in Cornith Greece we could consider that verse as instructing us also.
    Those times have past and we are in the USA.
     
  10. Saint Steven

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    Does this one only apply in Jerusalem?

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
     
  11. ICONO'CLAST

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    Joel speaks of the kingly rule from Zion and Jerusalem of the resurrected King. Jesus received the promise of the Spirit not leaving Him in the grave, but raising up all believers in Him by Spirit baptism .
    JOEL said whoever calls upon Him will be saved.vs21
     
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  12. Dave L

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    Scripture is complete. It would not be if tongues and prophecy, which filled the void until completed, were still viable.
     
  13. Saint Steven

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    What we call "scripture" is a canonized collection of writings. (thanks to the RCC) Not the completion of a planned text. How can we call it complete in the sense that you are using? I think the work "perfect" (as translated) is in reference to the return of Christ, or our transformation at the second coming. Is that not a reasonable view in your estimation?
     
  14. Dave L

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    So God doesn't watch over his word? And control its presentation? Are you not adding to God's word by your estimation when "prophesying or speaking in tongues"?
     
  15. ICONO'CLAST

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    All scripture is for all Christians. That being said, some portions were written for those people in that place at that time. In the first century, there were sign gifts manifest. Paul gave instructions for them on how to use these gifts.
    When the Apostles were gone, so where the sign gifts.
    You were not there. You do not have tongues. There are no Apostles on earth today.
     
  16. ICONO'CLAST

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    If you try and defend this error you will give evidence of why that might happen.
     
  17. LoveofTruth

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    Start by believing that the letters to the churches in all the epistles are still applicable for the churches today.

    And know of a truth that there is not one verse that says the gifts of the Spirit have ceased
     
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  18. ace of hearts

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    No!
     
  19. Saint Steven

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    I don't put a fence around what God is allowed to do.
    Did God say He was done speaking when the RCC canonized the Bible for us?
     
  20. ace of hearts

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    I've seen the show. No thanks.
     
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