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I would really only like to deal with the first half of Mark 16:16 for the moment, as I would like to focus on how one gets saved rather than how one gets condemned.
YES, and This is done in eph 2:4-9 .....I have nothing to do in my savaltionaggie03 said:
Hmmm, I'll try to answer your questions, but I'm an old woman, not a Pastor.Florida College said:
I hope you are joking. Are you really going to argue that it isn't a public profession of faith?Florida College said:
Wisdom Seeker said:Hmmm, I'll try to answer your questions, but I'm an old woman, not a Pastor.
Baptism, original word baptisma, bap'-tis-mah used 22 times in N.T.:immersion, submersion.
Christian baptism; a rite of immersion in water as commanded by Christ, by which one after confessing his sins and professing his faith in Christ, having been born again by the Holy Spirit unto a new life, identifies publicly with the fellowship of Christ and the church.
John 3:23 seems to suggest that John the Baptist was baptizing by immersion, since he chose the location "because there was much water there."
"And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized." John 3:23
Apollos taught the baptism of John. Aquila and Priscilla took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately (Acts 18:24-26). Acts 19:1-5 clearly shows that there is a difference in the baptism of John and the baptism that puts one into Christ.
Acts 2:37-41 - ... they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brethren, what shall we do?' And Peter said to them, 'Repent, and be baptised everyone of you ... for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit ... So those who accepted His Word were baptised.
Acts 8:36-39 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Verses such as Romans 6:4-5 and Colossians 2:12 compare the Christian's baptism to the death and resurrection of Christ. In many modern people's minds, immersion seems to better mirror this picture.
As a wedding ring is an outward profession of marriage, but not marriage itself, so baptism is the outward profession of salvation, but not salvation itself.
I would have to conclude from Acts 2:38 that baptism is necessary for salvation (repentance + baptism = remission of sins). Another verse to consider is Mk.16:16 - "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (belief + baptism = salvation).
It's a picture, an illustration.
Everyone has questions that they can only search to their satisfaction by their own efforts. Look into it for yourself. Come to your own conclusions. That's what I do.
In Christ, How does one get into Christ?
W.S.
Aaron11 said:I hope you are joking. Are you really going to argue that it isn't a public profession of faith?
No joking. I always thought bible study was a serious thing.
How about this for a description, "a manifestation of faith". Does that float your boat? Here is my logic, and no I will not give you a scripture.
Should I be surprised that you offer no scriptural basis for your reasoning?
Since baptism is obedience in faith, it is faith put into action. Therefore it is a manifestation of faith. Get it?
About the public profession, baptism and confession go hand in hand and I am pretty sure that it is a public profession to be baptized when people are watching. Wouldn't your common sense tell you this?
No, I must have lost my common sense when I read Acts 8:35-39. I don't necessarily see anyone in that scene except Philip and the eunuch.
Notice the bold text once again. You know what it means. Same old . . . Same old . . . you're guessing again.
And wait, no I am not saying that baptism is ONLY a pubic profession of faith, but it surely is that. I understand that baptism is also symbolic of stuff, etc.
For everyone's sanity, including yours, please don't argue that baptism is not a manifestation of faith. Even arguing that it is not a public profession of faith is arguing against all reality and practicality and is pushing it.
Are you really that concerned about my sanity?
That is so touching.
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Understand that the words in the bible have to pass from your eyes to your brain, then eventually to your mouth before you can speak as the oracles of God. The words alone are useless without the concept behind them. This means that people will interpret things somewhat differently. This is just real life.aggie03 said:
Don't tell me what view point I presented unless you are willing to quote me. The fact is, you are knocking down a straw man. I obviously don't believe that (just look at my posts), and so I don't defend it.aggie03 said:
