hmmm a baptism debate.....very intereasting..... I'll just post one of the debate which I've had
The Holy Bible, American Standard Version
Romans 6:5-9 (ASV)
5For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
6knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;
7for he that hath died is
justified from sin.
8But if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him;
9knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death no more hath dominion over him.
"If you have been Justified from sin , you can conclude your freed from sin (past sins)" John Nowak 4/03/2003
I will agree with John here Because we are freed from out past sins.... As we can see. Paul describes the temptations of lust and other evil things which his and our body craves for... He was clensed from his sinful History and was able to start over,....in a New Life In Christ. How? In Water Baptism!
Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Baptism here seperates us from the sin and allows us to get into Christ By putting away the Old Man of Sin and putting on the New man which is Christ-
Romans 6:1 ¶What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
As you can see We are to quit serving Sin. and Baptism is the Dividing line.... because the Water is the Symbol of the Blood of Christ like the Grape juice is.. And we have our sins washed away...(Acts 2:38,Acts 22:16).
So how do we get to heaven if we haven't put away the sin and haven't seperated ourselves from Sin?
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
A very misused scripture amond the denominational world. If you look We cant do our own works and become "Saved" We have to do the "Works" of God to Become saved for example....Faith in itself is a Work ...
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
According to what i can see You must have a "Working" Faith....not just faith....because if Faith alone was able to save then the Demons would be saved but they are not because It's not just Faith alone! Well lets look at some conversions while were at it if ya dont mind....
Peters Sermon
Acts 2:37 ¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren,
what shall we do?
"What Shall We Do?"
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
"Repent and Be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ For the Remission of sins, and ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost"
What Did Peter tell them to do?????? To
REPENT And be
BAPTIZED. Why did Peter tell them this???? If you look ---->
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Jesus Told the Apostles to "Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" hmmm intereasting Jesus commanded them to do this....and if you go farther....the People followed the Apostles Teachings-
Acts 2:42 ¶And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
.....Very intereasting....they stayed and followed the Apostles Doctrine..what doctrine was that? That was the Doctrine of Christ Which Jesus Preached Since he came to Earth.
1.Pentecost- Acts 2:14-41 Baptized: Verse 38-41
2.Samaria- Acts 8:5-13 Baptized: Verse 12-13
3.Enuch- Acts 8:35-39 Baptized: Verse 38
4.Saul(Paul)- Acts 9:17-28 Baptized: Verse 18
5.Cornelius- Acts 10:34-48 Baptized: Verse 48
6.Jailer- Acts 16:32-33 Baptized: Verse 33
7. Lydia- Acts 16:13 Baptized: Verse 15
8.Corinthians- Acts 18:8 Baptized: Verse 8
This conversion Chart contains all 8 conversions within the New Testament....All of them Were water Baptized why? Because they followed the apostles doctrine ...and the Apostles followed the doctrine of Christ....which was being preached to all the world........We are saved By the grace through the "Working Faith"...which leads to salvation....nut just faith... we Must --->
The Plan of Salvation
1.Hear- Romans 10:13-17.
2.Believe-John 3:16,Hebrews 11:1,Hebrews 11:6.
3.Repent- Luke 13:3, 1 Corinthians 7:10.
4.Confession- Matthew 10:32-33, Romans 10:9-10.
5.Water Baptism- Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16.
6.Remain faithful to Christ- Hebrews 10:23-39, Revelations 2:10
To become Saved!
