A Brethren IN CHRIST
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then why is Christ have a body in the Flesh right know at the right hand of the Father according to scripture yet you are 1 John 4:3 take scripture literally and harmonize
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A Brethren IN CHRIST said:then why is Christ have a body in the Flesh right know at the right hand of the Father according to scripture yet you are 1 John 4:3 take scripture literally and harmonize
Clytie said:very nice archangel *hifives*
xtxArchxAngelxtx said:"For faith comes by hearing, hearing the word of God"
Faith is beleiving, and the Word of God is God... hmmm yeah. Through faith comes beleiving in the heart hmmm can we say romans 10:9??
Yeah we can cirlce about this for HOURS on end, but in the end, your verses does not have the same weight as YOU WILL or YOU SHALL when it speaks of what it takes WITHOUT mentioning baptism.
Don't take my word for it (not that you are anyways, even if I am using testamony and scripture combined), but pray about it man.
P.S. I don't believe one is saved by works, so why even bring up James 2:24??
**shrugs** oh well, pleasent evening FC.
Florida College said:Clytie,
I'm not sure what point(s) you're hifiving.
Why not share them with the rest of us?
FC
Florida College said:Panther,
For this simple reason - - God is in charge. Jesus promised to build only one church in Matt. 16:18. It is referred to as his body in Eph.1:22-23. According to Eph. 4:5 there is one body (or one church). Like it or not, the only way we can know the New Testament church is to study the New Testament - - the names that it wore, the worship it offered, and the plan of salvation that it taught; all of which must be scriptural.
EDITED: Yes, faith alone save's them, [For thier faith gave them grace, but they ended up putting faith in man, hence they fell.]western kentucky said:Archangel,
You said, "Despite other veres that directly speak of slavation with/out speaking of baptisim?"
My response: What about the verses that do speak of baptism? How do you feel about those? Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16? That's why there is a need to harmonize scriptures. You can't just focus on one passage and forget another passage.
John 12:42-43: The rulers believed! They had faith! Did their faith alone save them?
Florida College said:To all readers,
Quite a discussion isn't it?
There seems to be a lot of interest.
At the very root of this discussion is the concept of bible harmony - - making our understanding from one scripture agree with our understanding from other scriptures. A basic principle that must be accepted is found in 2 Timothy 3:16 - - "All scripture is given by the inspiration of God . . ." The bible student that truly believes that, will reject no passages of scriptures - - all scriptures will be accepted as truth - - and the understanding derived from them will harmonize with other scriptures. If there is a conflict in the way scriptures harmonize (or agree), then the fault lies in the bible student, not in the holy scriptures.
For instance, if you conclude that we are saved by faith only in John 3:16, you must harmonize that understanding with Mark 16:16 (belief + baptism = salvation). If you conclude that we are not saved by any works (Ephesians 2:8-9), then you must harmonize that understanding with James 2:24 & Philippians 2:12. And if you understand that we are saved by confession and faith (exclusively) in Romans 10:9, then that understanding must harmonize with 1 Peter 3:20-21, Acts 2:38, and Mark 16:16.
The on-going discussion concerning the necessity of baptism is focused on helping bible students see when understandings are out of harmony. Thus far in the discussion (both in this thread and the last), I have seen students offer the wrong definitions for words (examples: "for" in Acts 2:38 ; "remission" in Acts 2:38 ; "antitype" in 1 Peter 3:21 @ NKJV), and then outright reject some passages (examples: Mark 16:16 ; James 2:24) because it upsets their perceived harmony. Such practices may result in a false sense of well-being for the bible student, but will not result in truth being determined. Jesus said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32) Amen, Lord! The truth is well within the grasp of us all; the question is, "Who has the faith to accept it on the Lord's terms?"
FC
western kentucky said:Archangel,
You said, "Gods love is unconditional, and being baptised is nothing but a condition in which satan has caused man to think "OH **** I NEED TO BE BAPTIZED OR ELSE I WON'T GO TO HEAVEN."
My response:
Please site your reference for that one. I'm having problems finding it.
God's love....
Rom. 8:39: Nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to seperate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Is God's love for us the only thing to be considered? What about our love for him?
John 14:15: If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
2 John 1:6: And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
western kentucky