Is anybody that accepts "Christ" considered a "Christian"?

[Lion King]

What does it look like for us to follow Jesus and be like Him?

It is not for us to be a messiah or yeshua.

We are to be like His character. Humble, a servant,
accepting children and the unacceptables "outcasts"
I Cor. 13

Feed the hungry, visit those in prison and take care
of the widows and orphans.

Isaiah 58. Shout it loud, do not hold back!!!

 

[Tishri1]

What Prophet hasn't foretold that all nations will one day have the same feast of God in common?

Then it sounds like He has it all under control

Are we gonna stand in His way of making us one body in Him?

 

[Tishri1]

Really Tish? You look at us as Haters? :o

Of course not i read that as hurt and bitterness

There is a big difference

In My experience with just about every MJ I met who has had any animosity against the Church, it generally stemmed from some hurt to them or their family either thru rejection or judgement. If it were just bad teaching but the love was still there being shared then no animosity existed

Most of the time rejection of the Church and it's teaching had attached to it some kind of painful personal experience

 

[xDenax]

But the basic theology is not the same.


Until Christians accept the feast of Tabernacles, Passover, and Pentecost, they will be another religion.

Gentiles accepting the feast of Tabernacles is Paramount, to a family being reunited.

What Prophet hasn't foretold that all nations will one day have the same feast of God in common?

What do you mean when you say accept?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

What do you mean when you say accept?

The Prophets speak of a day when the whole world will keep the Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles.

The feast of Tabernacles is the day Jesus born.

The house of Israel changed the feasts away from Judah because the king wanted and needed to keep his kingdom separate from their brothers the Jews.

They invented their own traditions and holidays and the entire kingdom was wiped away because of these things.

So that house of Israel is now called,'' The ten lost tribes'' because they took on Pagan traditions.

Then Jesus came and Christianity kept the Passover, Pentecost and the feast of Tabernacles.

These first Christians continued in these customs for 100 years after Jesus died.

Then Constantine changed the Christians traditions and he outlawed the keeping of any of God's appointed times. He instituted the Easter and the winter solstice.

Constantine had to keep Christians from keeping the Holy days of God in Jerusalem.

He knew that if he let all of Rome go to Jerusalem each year to worship the king, then the whole world would one day be ruled by Judah in Jerusalem.

Being a wise man, he accomplished turning Christians away from the feasts of God and that's how it has been ever since.

But the prophets talk about the return the Egyptians and the Assyrians saying that they will keep both the Passover and the feast of Tabernacles and if they should refuse then God would severely punish them.

Isaiah,'' In that day Israel will be a third in the land with Egypt and the Assyrians.'' They shall become one in the land.
''God bless Egypt my people, God bless Assyria the work of my hands, and God bless Israel mine inheritance.

These 3 will come up out of the land together at the feast of Tabernacles and the whole world will have the same feast days in common.

There is a stern warning against anyone who refuses to keep the feast of Tabernacles.

Zechariah insinuates that if you are not keeping this feast in the day of the Lord,' Your eyes will melt in your sockets, your tongue will melt in your mouth and you will be utterly consumed by fire.

The world will be saved when Christian and Muslim alike accept the feast of Tabernacles, and it will happen unless of course the bible is wrong.

I long for those days to hurry.

 

[jannikitty]

It sounds to me like she is describing a charismatic/pentecostal congregation, with people speaking in tongues. As for the confusion that comes with plain speaking, this is what I have identified as the general Christian tendency to allegorize literal texts, while literalizing the metaphorical passages. I wrote about that phenomenon on my blog site.

It sounds a little that way. So just for clarification for the original poster here but not wanting to get off topic or go into debate----Pentecostals who speak in tongues aren't speaking a secret language. They are just uttering words which they do not understand. It can be used as a gift (see I Corinthians 12) or else a way to pray especially when one doesn't know how to pray. Most mature Christians who have this gift don't go around showing it off as it is so easily misunderstood. I have been "speaking in tongues" since 1973 mostly privately during my prayer time for others especially if I don't know how to pray for a particular thing. No big deal and some people who are in denominational churches also do this..not just those in Pentecostal churches. Most I know don't try to push it on people and make them feel left out if they don't have that gift or practice praying that way. And most also pray in many other ways, especially praise and worship in their own language..not an unknown tongue.

It is sad indeed if one is made to feel left out and hurt by those who profess to have this gift. I certainly wouldn't remain in a church or fellowship who did this. Not very inclusive and likely a "bless me" club church group..limited to some but not welcoming all.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Pentecostals who speak in tongues aren't speaking a secret language. They are just uttering words which they do not understand. It can be used as a gift or else a way to pray especially when when doesn't know how to pray. Most mature ones don't go around showing this gift off as it is so easily misunderstood. I have been "speaking in tongues" since 1973. No big deal and some people who are in denominational churches also do this..not just those in Pentecostal churches. Most I know don't try to push it on people and make them feel left out if they don't have that gift or practice praying that way. And most also pray in many other ways, especially praise and worship in their own language..not an unknown tongue.

It is sad indeed if one is made to feel left out and hurt by those who profess to have this gift. I certainly wouldn't remain in a church or fellowship who did this. Not very inclusive and likely a "bless me" club church group..limited to some but not welcoming all.

I spoke in tongues for 20 years and then stopped.

My whole family speaks in tongues, my mother is a minister at many churches.

Sometimes people supposedly fall slain in the spirit just being in her presence and they become drunk.

I couldn't tell you how many times I went with my mother to church and saw the entire church laying on the floor save one person-Me.

It would never work on me and so for years I went everywhere to churches all over Houston. I found a church opened everyday just looking for that spirit.

I finally found it one day, The whole church had been supposedly slain in the spirit and they spent the entire time on the floor laughing save one person-ME.

But as I was leaving, the preacher shook hands with me and I was immediately drunk and almost went down.

I believe speaking in tongues is good for the person speaking them but that its no different than meditating or calming one's self that can be done in any religion.

I stopped speaking in tongues in the same days that I stopped chasing the supposed slain in the spirit practice.

I don't think these things are evil, but I don't believe they are gifts from God either.

I changed my speaking in tongues after studying what tongues really were at mount Sinai, and at Pentecost.

Speaking in tongues helped me many years and it always made me cry because I believed in it, but it is no use to me now that I don't believe in it.

Have you ever looked and found where speaking in tongues originally began in California?

It made the front page of a major newspaper when it began.

 

[xDenax]

You still haven't told me what you mean by "accept". In Judaism, we "observe" a holiday or even celebrate. What does "accept" really entail?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

You still haven't told me what you mean by "accept". In Judaism, we "observe" a holiday or even celebrate. What does "accept" really entail?

To stop doing Christmas and to replace it with the feast of Tabernacles.

 

[visionary]

You still haven't told me what you mean by "accept". In Judaism, we "observe" a holiday or even celebrate. What does "accept" really entail?

If I may answer for him, I would say that it means they quit rejecting its validity in a believer's life.

 

[HarrietS]

Accept...look it up in the dictionary. For the christian it is
to allow Jesus in your life to take control. To be Savior and Lord.
He knocks at the door Rev. 3:20 and we let Him in and direct our lives.
Our fruit will show whether we let Him into our lives. If we are still
living for ourselves and not being a servant for others than we haven't
truly allowed Him into our lives. Do we read the word daily and do what it says?
Do we pray and witness?

 

[Lady Bug]

I would say Accept means to submit to it as a true doctrine; that you believe the doctrine is true.

 

[xDenax]

To stop doing Christmas and to replace it with the feast of Tabernacles.

So you assert they have to stop celebrating Christmas with their families and start doing some sort of other observance in order for the two groups to have any relationship with each other?

 

[xDenax]

Accept...look it up in the dictionary. For the christian it is
to allow Jesus in your life to take control. To be Savior and Lord.
He knocks at the door Rev. 3:20 and we let Him in and direct our lives.
Our fruit will show whether we let Him into our lives. If we are still
living for ourselves and not being a servant for others than we haven't
truly allowed Him into our lives. Do we read the word daily and do what it says?
Do we pray and witness?

Harriet, this is the MJ forum. I'm not sure you understand the topic because what you've just said isn't what we're talking about.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

So you assert they have to stop celebrating Christmas with their families and start doing some sort of other observance in order for the two groups to have any relationship with each other?

The bible asserts it, I just believe what the bible says about it.


Not as you say,'' Some sort of other observance.''

God has appointed days that he details for the people who want to follow him.

Changing God's feast days and Sabbaths is what separated Judah from Israel and it killed the Northern kingdom because they chose to keep Pagan traditions.

Christians kept Passover and the traditions of God for 100 years after Jesus died but then they also chose to accept Pagan traditions specifically to separate gentile believers from Jews and Constantine says as much.

I can give you many scriptures from the prophets talking of a day when all nations will abandon Pagan practices and take up the practices of God and his observances.

If you say that I shouldn't judge anyone in the keeping of new moons and Sabbaths, I don't.

But yes, I believe a day will come when Christianity will leave Pagan observances behind and take up the Passover and the feast of Tabernacles.

Here is just one place in the bible that talks about it.

Zechariah 14

New International Version (NIV)

The Lord Comes and Reigns

14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord Almighty.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by astein

Fishing for? I hope that isn't an insult.

It is easy to understand. Take up thy cross and follow me. If being Christ like is a Christian, who considers themselves non Christian that is for Christ?
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Is being a Christian a Sunday keeper, Easter and Christmas, and non-kosher eater, no law but grace believer....
Then your view of what is means to be a Christian is different from ours...

and how come we have Non-MJs answering questions posed to us on our forum?

Good question...........




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[SayaOtonashi]

Jesus the Son of God, however not to this person.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7749705-3/#post63188209

 

[football5680]

No. You must accept that Jesus is the Divine son of God, he was crucified and he rose from the dead. This is the core of Christianity. Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah but not the Son of God and nobody would call them Christians. I do not believe any non-Trinitarian can call themselves Christian because their beliefs would be closer to Islam.

 

[visionary]

So you assert they have to stop celebrating Christmas with their families and start doing some sort of other observance in order for the two groups to have any relationship with each other?

That is the Lord's prophecy.

 

[visionary]

No. You must accept that Jesus is the Divine son of God, he was crucified and he rose from the dead. This is the core of Christianity. Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah but not the Son of God and nobody would call them Christians. I do not believe any non-Trinitarian can call themselves Christian because their beliefs would be closer to Islam.

Correct on the accepting Yeshua as the Lamb of God sacrificed from the beginning. He is our risen Messiah.

On the other hand, the issue of what non-trinitarians Christians have issue with, is not allowed to be discussed anywhere but in the non-trinitarian area and I would not disqualify those believers, with the comment that they are a lot closer to Islam, because quite a few friends of ours have taken a position closer to Judaism, in which there is only one God, and Yeshua is Him in the flesh. They may have just found it difficult to relate to the RCC version of trinity.