Is anybody that accepts "Christ" considered a "Christian"?

[yonah_mishael]

You guys don't need folks from outside this forum to stir the pot you are doing it to yourselves

Do you really want to be known as non Christians here?

Do you want to redefine Christianity for the whole planet?

Sure many denominations will state that they are not like the other denominations because of XYZ and that theirs is the true "Church" or whatever but you will never see them state they are not Christian

You won't like the outcome if you keep stating this and you are doing this community a dis service

Tishri, hasn't this been the expression of many on this forum for a long time?

 

[yonah_mishael]

This is good advice

Unfortunately some come here seeing some MJs say they are not Christians and when they post in agreement they get banned for saying MJs are not Christians

I guess I should unban them then as that is not fair

Thoughts everyone?

I'm for unbanning everyone except those who are obvious troublemakers.

 

[pat34lee]

Never have seen a Jewish inquirer searching honestly for Messiah here and coming to saving belief, never. Why does this MJ forum exist, really? For the boundless ego trips, the psuedo intellectual haggling and the spitting and hissing contests? For shame.

Do what you want.

Ideally, it exists to discuss information between ourselves and others on things we experience and learn as messianics. It is a place to test our beliefs and personal ideologies against a group of people who believe similarly to ourselves. As iron sharpening iron causes friction, so can debating intensely personal beliefs. It is necessary when there is real error involved on one side or the other, and not just a difference of opinion. The problem is letting the debate get into personal attacks instead of using facts against facts or opinions against opinions.

Whether anyone gets saved directly from this board is irrelevant. If someone comes here and reads, hopefully a seed is planted, or some small faith is added to one already there.

 

[Tishri1]

Tishri, hasn't this been the expression of many on this forum for a long time?

Not at all!! I don't know of MJs calling themselves non Christians

 

[Tishri1]

I'm for unbanning everyone except those who are obvious troublemakers.

I'm thinking about how fair is it that when folks get banned for calling MJs non Christians ..... especially when folks here are trying that label on?

It's sketchy to say the least

 

[yonah_mishael]

Not at all!! I don't know of MJs calling themselves non Christians

Really? I’ve seen this sentiment batted around here a lot, actually. “We’re not Christians; we’re Messianic Jews and Gentiles.” People have talked about the origins of the word “Christian” and why it’s better to call yourself a “Messianic” and how they would like to be disassociated from the name “Christian.” I’m baffled to find that you haven’t seen this here before. It’s a common sentiment, I think.

 

[Tishri1]

There is a subtle change happening where to argue about doctrinal differences is turning into a denying attitude and that is what is dangerous

You won't find two denominations that agree doctrinally about everything but that doesn't cause them to deny the Lord 's body of believers

He prayed for unity that we would all be one in Him

It's not good to forsake his Body ( other Christians / believers) ...it's better to educate them

 

[Lady Bug]

hope this subforum does not close in spite if the one individual who says this forum should not exist. I am blessed to have found this place.

 

[aniello]

hope this subforum does not close in spite if the one individual who says this forum should not exist. I am blessed to have found this place.

Being I am "the one individual who says this forum should not exist." I quote, from post #110 of this thread what it was I did say:

"
Perhaps, maybe, the label Messianic J'ism is a misnomer. Perhaps this MJ forum should vanish from CF rather than bear false witness. Perhaps the powers that be should dump their Rome based prejudice, admit they've been deceived and learn some plain Biblical fact.
"

I used the word "Perhaps". For me the issue is who were the very first, first, first believers in Yeshua the Messiah, and the fact that they were referred to as The Way, the term "Christian" not coming until Acts 11:26, in Antioch, not Jerusalem. Therein lies a problem.

Anyway, I did NOT say what you said I said. But I forgive the false representation.

Sincerely I wish and pray you blessings and, Shabat Shalom.

 

[Chaplain David]

I think a lot of good things, fellowship, friendship, learning, ministry and sharing happens in the MJ forum and believe it is a very special place on CF with very special members.

Shabbat Shalom.

 

[Lady Bug]

Being I am "the one individual who says this forum should not exist." I quote, from post #110 of this thread what it was I did say:

"
Perhaps, maybe, the label Messianic J'ism is a misnomer. Perhaps this MJ forum should vanish from CF rather than bear false witness. Perhaps the powers that be should dump their Rome based prejudice, admit they've been deceived and learn some plain Biblical fact.
"

I used the word "Perhaps". For me the issue is who were the very first, first, first believers in Yeshua the Messiah, and the fact that they were referred to as The Way, the term "Christian" not coming until Acts 11:26, in Antioch, not Jerusalem. Therein lies a problem.

Anyway, I did NOT say what you said I said. But I forgive the false representation.

Sincerely I wish and pray you blessings and, Shabat Shalom.

thank you. I made the inference when you asked why does this forum exist; I inferred that it meant that you thought it did not need to exist, that's all. You made an interrogatory statement, and I may have drawn the wrong conclusion from it.

 

[aniello]

thank you. I made the inference when you asked why does this forum exist; I inferred that it meant that you thought it did not need to exist, that's all. You made an interrogatory statement, and I may have drawn the wrong conclusion from it.

I understand and be assured there's no problem, no blame, none. Not to worry, OK?

Hey, enjoy. Abbondanza!(Abundance)

 

[Avodat]

Originally Posted by Lulav
Hah! Going to church or synagogue no more makes you a Christian/Messianic than standing in your garage makes you a car.
Many go for show, I've witnessed that for over 50 years.
You will be surprised one day to find that those who are truly of G-d were not the ones sitting in the pews, and they will be surprised also.

Lord, Lord, didn't I.....................?

I'm glad someone quoted this or I would never have seen it. Obviously the writer totally mis-understood what I said for some reason I know not

Here is what I actually said:

Originally Posted by Avodat
We will get tied up in terminology here so I'll try and be as inclusive as I can:

I do not believe that you can be a Christian / Messianic, in the true sense of the word, unless you attend a congregation / fellowship (Messianic or Christian) and are an active member of that community if you are able to be so (being housebound, or suffering from illness or having a disability may limit, or severely restrict, some people from being active members of the community)

The point I made was that you cannot be an effective Christian or Messianic unless and until you are, fully, a part of those communities. Perhaps, as Messianics and Christians we are being encouraged NOT to be a part of a congregation / fellowship and, therefore, we do not need any sense of community. Kinda flies in the face of everything that people of faith hold to, regardless of which faith that might be, from Zoroastrianism to Paganism and on through Scientology and JW's to Judaism, Christianity, Islam and MJism - all have communities of believers and all work at that community spirit through gathering together. For us, as believers in the one true G_d, gathering together to worship, to pray and to build each other up, to encourage, to learn, to seek love and care IS being, fully, a part of the community, meeting together as a congregation / fellowship. Even house Churches, being isolationist by nature, eventually had to begin gathering groups of their people together once a month - as a congregation - then it soon became once a week and so a real community was born! Surprise, surprise, even MJ's meet together in congregations / fellowships!

Re the carless garage: I assume the person living in the garage has a reason to - maybe because they think they would rather have the car than just all the individual parts scattered round the garage, waiting for someone to come and build the car from all the bits & pieces. To keep the analogy going, Yeshua didn't come to work on the production line - he came as the breakdown man to fix the car that was having trouble being an effective means of transport! Toot! Toot!

Oh, nearly forgot, I addressed the concern about people claiming to be Christian 'just for show' and attacked them for it, in a different post. Selective amnesia has a lot to answer for!

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Since the first Christian forums began a couple decades ago, I have been kicked out of every one of them save one, and it was the only fair forum Christian forum I ever found.

I was always kicked out of Christian forums because I was very pro Israel and pro Jewish feasts.

They always felt like I was not a Christian, I was always kicked out for promoting the Feast of Tabernacles.

I have been given a million speeches saying that I am legalistic because I want to keep the feasts of the Messiah and been told countless of times that I'm not a Jew and so I have no business keeping Jewish feasts.

Been kicked out of so many, so many Christian forums because they were certain that I was no part of being a Christian.

The{majority of} Christians don't accept people like me and why would they?

If I speak the truth of holidays, what I say will never be accepted in a Christian forum.

I get told that I'm not Christian, I'm not an Indian{my family refused to stay on the Rez}, I get told that I'm not Jewish, not Israeli, and I agree with all the above.

I have no place here on this Earth.

 

[Lady Bug]

Since the first Christian forums began a couple decades ago, I have been kicked out of every one of them save one, and it was the only fair forum Christian forum I ever found.

I was always kicked out of Christian forums because I was very pro Israel and pro Jewish feasts.

They always felt like I was not a Christian, I was always kicked out for promoting the Feast of Tabernacles.

I have been given a million speeches saying that I am legalistic because I want to keep the feasts of the Messiah and been told countless of times that I'm not a Jew and so I have no business keeping Jewish feasts.

Been kicked out of so many, so many Christian forums because they were certain that I was no part of being a Christian.

The{majority of} Christians don't accept people like me and why would they?

If I speak the truth of holidays, what I say will never be accepted in a Christian forum.

I get told that I'm not Christian, I'm not an Indian{my family refused to stay on the Rez}, I get told that I'm not Jewish, not Israeli, and I agree with all the above.

I have no place here on this Earth.

I feel like MJs wouldn't be accepted by either Christians or Jews I wanna be wrong

 

[Avodat]

Since the first Christian forums began a couple decades ago, I have been kicked out of every one of them save one, and it was the only fair forum Christian forum I ever found.

I was always kicked out of Christian forums because I was very pro Israel and pro Jewish feasts.

They always felt like I was not a Christian, I was always kicked out for promoting the Feast of Tabernacles.

I have been given a million speeches saying that I am legalistic because I want to keep the feasts of the Messiah and been told countless of times that I'm not a Jew and so I have no business keeping Jewish feasts.

Been kicked out of so many, so many Christian forums because they were certain that I was no part of being a Christian.

The{majority of} Christians don't accept people like me and why would they?

If I speak the truth of holidays, what I say will never be accepted in a Christian forum.

I get told that I'm not Christian, I'm not an Indian{my family refused to stay on the Rez}, I get told that I'm not Jewish, not Israeli, and I agree with all the above.

I have no place here on this Earth.

I assume we are the only ones who haven't kicked you out - yes?

 

[ChavaK]

I feel like MJs wouldn't be accepted by either Christians or Jews I wanna be wrong

It would not be accepted by Jews/Judaism, but I think Christianity is starting to be more receptive. Just my impression.

 

[Lady Bug]

It would not be accepted by Jews/Judaism, but I think Christianity is starting to be more receptive. Just my impression.

I haven't really seen much hostility from Christianity but then again I haven't looked around enough. I would imagine that Christianity isn't very keen on Messianics taking the Torah seriously

 

[ChavaK]

I haven't really seen much hostility from Christianity but then again I haven't looked around enough. I would imagine that Christianity isn't very keen on Messianics taking the Torah seriously

From what little I have seen, Christians don't mind Messianics following the Torah. They do get their back up when they are told the are following pagan holidays or beliefs, that they have to follow the Torah, etc. Can't blame them for that, lol. I think mostly the just don't understand why Messianics would want to be involved with "keeping the law".

 

[xDenax]

It would not be accepted by Jews/Judaism, but I think Christianity is starting to be more receptive. Just my impression.

I'm on another forum where Messianics are accepted fairly well. There are a few who have an issue with their theology by for the most part, the other christians do not mind them that much.