Is America the beast from the land (Rev. 13)?
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Revealing Times
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The Scriptures are about Israel, the New Testament is about Jesus and his followers who were mostly Jews as per who was moving the Gospel forward in the First Century. The Rapture is about those who are under the blood being raised and translated to meet Jesus, just as Paul stated. Then the Tribulation happens. The proper thing to say would be you can;t see the Rapture, because Paul clearly speaks of it, he called it the HARPAZO.
Daniel 12:1 is Michael kicking Satan out of Heaven (Rev. 12) and it happens at the Midway point of the 70th Week. Daniel 11:45 is the Anti-Christ/BEAST planting his tabernacle in the Holy Mountains. Rev. shows the Church returns FROM HEAVEN with Jesus Christ IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days.
Nowhere in the bible does it say the Church is here for the Seven Trumps, nowhere !! You just "BELIEVE THAT RIGHT? Because its not in scriptures. The Church is not mentioned past Rev. 3 except when the REMNANT of the Church is mentioned in Rev. 12:17. And the Seals happen before the Trumpets.
The whole reason you are seemingly confused is you don't understand that these people in Heaven who John speaks of are the Church who was Raptured, they came out of the Great Tribulation (2000 years is GREATER than 7 YEARS) thus they are the Church in Heaven Marrying the Lamb (SEE REV. 19). Meanwhile the Greatest Troubles Ever Jesus spoke is is happening on earth while John is in Heaven seeing these future events.
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You do understand this is not actually AFTER the Tribulation per se but after the TRIBULATION BEGINS.....the Sun going Dark, Moon turning blood red and Stars falling (I think its Satan and his Demons cast out of Heaven) is only the Beginning, you have Seven Trumpets to follow and Seven Vials follow the Trumpets, so its not actually after the TRIBULATION, but it means AFTER the Tribulation begins. Its takes some though to get there, but its rather evident the Tribulation IS NOT OVER at the Sixth Seal.
Rev. 7 is John seeing the Church in Heaven. The 5th Seal is the Martyrs of the Seven Year Period or 70th Week. The REMNANT of the Church on Earth.
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People like you do not understand the "Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept, here a little, there a little" scriptures and its meanings. You take one scripture that sounds like what you believe and thus it affirms your bias, when in reality it doesn't. Rev. 19 proves a pre-trib Rapture, Paul talks about the HARPAZO Gathering of the Church. Paul speaks of the Departure of the Church in 2 Thess. 2. not the "Falling Away" as you so presume, and its clear it is the Gathering of the Church (Rapture) that is being spoken of.
As per Philippians 1:6......Being confident of this very thing, that he (Holy Spirit) which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Where does it mention ON EARTH? You obviously take scriptures out of Context, the Holy Spirit will keep us until the Judgment Day of Christ, whether that be in the Grave, or on earth, until we are Raptured to Heaven, we will still be filled with the Holy Spirit, in our sleep in the grave or in Heaven. The Subject here is about HE....The Holy Spirit keeping us in Christ until the Day of Christ....Yet you have it as us being on earth until Judgment day. No doubt you are incorrect because many will sleep in the Grave, and the Holy Spirit will keep us in Christ there also, this is what we call taking scriptures out of context.
So the Holy Spirit will be with us IN HEAVEN just before we come back with Jesus on White Horses, before the Lord Jesus Judges men. The HE (Holy Spirit will KEEP US unto the Day of the Lord, but yiur assumption that that HAS TO BE ON EARTH has not factual backing whatsoever.
It means no such, the word means Departure. And the Church is what is being spoken of as Departing.
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