Is a Contiguous Count of Daniel’s 70 Weeks found in New Testament Writings?

[Brian Mcnamee]

This supplements a long passage that was mostly cut and pasted scripture showing again the change / before na after picture when Jesus comes. Now in Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The increase of His government and peace are two objective to be brought in at the time he takes Davids throne. His dominion is supposed to be over the whole earth and when this authority is taken and Satan is bound no way will history be like it has been from that time it is established peace and righteousness come with the judgment and justice. The beast had dominion over all and it is taken just like in Dan 7 and from that time on the world is a much different place especially for Daniels people and the city of Jerusalem. This is a glorious future.

 

[DavidPT]

and peace
There will be no end,

When you think it about it though, assuming a thousand years after the 2nd coming, well satan's little season, if we factor this in, doesn't seem to be describing what I have quoted from verse 7 above. It gives the impression that rather than this peace having no end, it experiences a period of time, a little season in this case, where it is no longer a time of never ending peace, which then is a contradiction.

It seems to me then, no matter how you might look at it, whether from a Premil perspective or an Amil perspective, this peace that there will be no end, it has to be meaning after the time of the GWTJ. If we apply it to the millennium, what about satan's little season after the millennium, that it contradicts peace that has no end if one has this peace that has no end meaning before satan's little season rather than after?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

the end of the thousand years we see when loosed Satan does muster a force and surround the city and then that is it. From the 2nd coming until that point it appears the weapons are turned to plowshare and they learn war no more. The increase of the government is total and Jesus dominion is to the ends of the earth. The releasing of Satan to tempt one last time will be more like the rebellion in heaven where a 3rd of the angles fell with him. Now it seems this test is over quickly and also that only one side seems to have suffered casualties. There is not much detail in the scriptures about how this all goes down.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

This supplements a long passage that was mostly cut and pasted scripture showing again the change / before na after picture when Jesus comes. Now in Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The increase of His government and peace are two objective to be brought in at the time he takes Davids throne. His dominion is supposed to be over the whole earth and when this authority is taken and Satan is bound no way will history be like it has been from that time it is established peace and righteousness come with the judgment and justice. The beast had dominion over all and it is taken just like in Dan 7 and from that time on the world is a much different place especially for Daniels people and the city of Jerusalem. This is a glorious future.

Then you'll have to answer these questions.
1. Who has been sitting on David's throne for the last 2000 years?
2. Where has the Levitical priesthood been offering sacrifices for the last 2000 years?
Jeremiah 33:14“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfill the promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 15In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 16In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’

17“For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, 18and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

19The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 20“Thus says the LORD: If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night will not come at their appointed time, 21then also my covenant with David my servant may be broken, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and my covenant with the Levitical priests my ministers. 22As the host of heaven cannot be numbered and the sands of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the offspring of David my servant, and the Levitical priests who minister to me.”

The answer of course is this. Verse 15 and 16 and
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Then you'll have to answer these questions.
1. Who has been sitting on David's throne for the last 2000 years?
2. Where has the Levitical priesthood been offering sacrifices for the last 2000 years?
Jeremiah 33:14“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfill the promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 15In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 16In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’

17“For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, 18and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

19The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 20“Thus says the LORD: If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night will not come at their appointed time, 21then also my covenant with David my servant may be broken, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and my covenant with the Levitical priests my ministers. 22As the host of heaven cannot be numbered and the sands of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the offspring of David my servant, and the Levitical priests who minister to me.”

The answer of course is this. Verse 15 and 16 and
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

Davids throne is an earthly throne and not a heavenly one. Hosea 3 God says Israel will go many days with out a king or a sacrifice in the latter days. This passage implies the kingdom and the sacrifice are key to the return of David. It notes the latter days as well

4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

The child given is to take dominion which is total authority and to rule the nations with a rod of iron. The last 2000 years nothin like this is visible. The spiritual kingdom through the gospel is a reality but the physical prophecies are not a contradiction both are true. The passages about David being raised up all are latter days when Israel is returned to the land. This fits with the idea of Luke one. When you look at the day of vengeance of God in Isaiah 61 Israel is saved and distinctions between Jew and Gentile are made in that passage. The 70 AD was a judgment of God on Israel and yet they are saved in the great day of vengeance which is on Jesus to do list. The Luke one reference is very important and so far those who disagree with this being future and literal have offered no takes on this clear before and after passage. The literal application shows all things in dan 9 are completed just as Luke 1 when you assemble all the passages talking about this transition they make a comprehensive case without contradiction.

 

[keras]

4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

These verses prove that the current Jewish State of Israel, are not yet the people who will occupy the holy land in the end times.
As you say; the great Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath is yet to happen and when it does, the entire Middle East will be virtually depopulated.
It will be the righteous Christian Israelites of God who go to live there. Jeremiah 50:4-5, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-27
The true seekers after God, who have Jesus as their Savior. They will elect their own leader. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

Re: the 'contiguous count' of the 70 'weeks', it is quite plain that Jesus was Crucified at the end point of the 69th week.
Revelations many mentions of how the second half of the 70th week will play out, is proof enough that it remains as a future event.

Attempts to fit the 70th week, a seven year period, in the first Century, are purely guesswork and made to suit another agenda.

 

[DavidPT]

Then you'll have to answer these questions.
1. Who has been sitting on David's throne for the last 2000 years?
2. Where has the Levitical priesthood been offering sacrifices for the last 2000 years?
Jeremiah 33:14“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfill the promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 15In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 16In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’

17“For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, 18and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

19The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 20“Thus says the LORD: If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night will not come at their appointed time, 21then also my covenant with David my servant may be broken, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and my covenant with the Levitical priests my ministers. 22As the host of heaven cannot be numbered and the sands of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the offspring of David my servant, and the Levitical priests who minister to me.”

The answer of course is this. Verse 15 and 16 and
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

In verse 16 it states this---and Jerusalem will dwell securely. This would have been true when Christ walked the earth, but once He ascended, and especially in 70 AD, this would no longer be true. On the other hand, once Christ returns in the end of this age this will be true for forever at that point. The question then is, in regards to Jerusalem dwelling securely, per verse 16, is that meaning temporarily or is that meaning permanently?

The Hebrew word for 'securely' is betach. That same Hebrew word is also used in Zechariah 14:11, and that verse also involves a time when Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited, and that it tells us that there shall be no more utter destruction involving it. Which then tells us when Jeremiah 33:16 is meaning. It is meaning a time post 70 AD, because in 70 AD Jerusalem was not safely inhabited nor does no more utter destruction fit with what happened at the time.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Davids throne is an earthly throne and not a heavenly one. Hosea 3 God says Israel will go many days with out a king or a sacrifice in the latter days. This passage implies the kingdom and the sacrifice are key to the return of David. It notes the latter days as well

4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

The child given is to take dominion which is total authority and to rule the nations with a rod of iron. The last 2000 years nothin like this is visible. The spiritual kingdom through the gospel is a reality but the physical prophecies are not a contradiction both are true. The passages about David being raised up all are latter days when Israel is returned to the land. This fits with the idea of Luke one. When you look at the day of vengeance of God in Isaiah 61 Israel is saved and distinctions between Jew and Gentile are made in that passage. The 70 AD was a judgment of God on Israel and yet they are saved in the great day of vengeance which is on Jesus to do list. The Luke one reference is very important and so far those who disagree with this being future and literal have offered no takes on this clear before and after passage. The literal application shows all things in dan 9 are completed just as Luke 1 when you assemble all the passages talking about this transition they make a comprehensive case without contradiction.

Hosea prophesied before the Babylonian exile when "many days" they had no king or gave sacrifices. In fact, they had no king until Jesus was declared "king of Israel" John 1:49 49Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!” Jesus sat down at the right hand of God and was given all authority both in heaven and on earth(Matthew 28:18)Yahweh's throne is David's throne(1 Chronicles 29:23) We are a nation of priests and kings. (Isaiah 61:6/1 Peter 2:9) Therefore the fulfillment of Jeremiah 33

 

[jgr]

Davids throne is an earthly throne and not a heavenly one.

A literal fulfillment requires the literal physical throne in which David literally physically sat during his reign.

Where does David's literal physical throne literally physically exist today?

 

[keras]

A literal fulfillment requires the literal physical throne in which David literally physically sat during his reign.

Where does David's literal physical throne literally physically exist today?

Queen Elizabeth 11 traces her lineage back to David.
David himself will not be raised until after the Millennium. Acts 13;33

 

[Ed Parenteau]

In verse 16 it states this---and Jerusalem will dwell securely. This would have been true when Christ walked the earth, but once He ascended, and especially in 70 AD, this would no longer be true. On the other hand, once Christ returns in the end of this age this will be true for forever at that point. The question then is, in regards to Jerusalem dwelling securely, per verse 16, is that meaning temporarily or is that meaning permanently?

The Hebrew word for 'securely' is betach. That same Hebrew word is also used in Zechariah 14:11, and that verse also involves a time when Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited, and that it tells us that there shall be no more utter destruction involving it. Which then tells us when Jeremiah 33:16 is meaning. It is meaning a time post 70 AD, because in 70 AD Jerusalem was not safely inhabited nor does no more utter destruction fit with what happened at the time.

1 John 5:8We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

In verse 16 it states this---and Jerusalem will dwell securely. This would have been true when Christ walked the earth, but once He ascended, and especially in 70 AD, this would no longer be true. On the other hand, once Christ returns in the end of this age this will be true for forever at that point. The question then is, in regards to Jerusalem dwelling securely, per verse 16, is that meaning temporarily or is that meaning permanently?

The Hebrew word for 'securely' is betach. That same Hebrew word is also used in Zechariah 14:11, and that verse also involves a time when Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited, and that it tells us that there shall be no more utter destruction involving it. Which then tells us when Jeremiah 33:16 is meaning. It is meaning a time post 70 AD, because in 70 AD Jerusalem was not safely inhabited nor does no more utter destruction fit with what happened at the time.

Which Jerusalem are you referring to? And in which one do you find your "security"?
Galatians 4:
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Hosea prophesied before the Babylonian exile when "many days" they had no king or gave sacrifices. In fact, they had no king until Jesus was declared "king of Israel" John 1:49 49Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!” Jesus sat down at the right hand of God and was given all authority both in heaven and on earth(Matthew 28:18)Yahweh's throne is David's throne(1 Chronicles 29:23) We are a nation of priests and kings. (Isaiah 61:6/1 Peter 2:9) Therefore the fulfillment of Jeremiah 33

Nathanael recognizing Jesus as king is certainly not the onset of the kingdom. If Zech 14, Rev Armageddon, Joel the great day of the LORD and many other places are future we see the kingdom coming on a day when all the nations are gathered to Israel and Jerusalem. Jesus slays the armies with the word or sword coming from His mouth. This is when dominion is exchanged and Satan is bound.
This is what is accomplished in the day of vengeance Isaiah 61 and when justice and judgment come and the government is on his shoulders.

Think about if Jesus has dominion right now over all the earth the condition of the world reflects who is running it. Many can see how stupid Biden is and how he is destroying American and readying the collapse that will bring in the global government that futurist see coming. The prophecies of went the kingdom comes is an abundance of grain and world peace where they do not even learn war anymore. So how can we be in this age of messianic rule now when every demonic abomination is promoted as good and just? Like the days of Noah does not fit 70 AD but how about now where everything God made and said is good is being reengineered like GMO foods and gene edited animals and finally we are getting to man being reengineered to, to be interfaced digitally. The futurist are noting that we are no longer under evolution and natural selection but are under intelligent design and they are the designers.
Satan wants to be as the most high and the lying signs and wonders are coming as the masses of the world are prepped for X men type aliens. The jews will at 1st accept the messiah as Jesus said they would and when he is revealed at the abomination of desolation they are to flee to the mountains.
The current geo political global situation is moving like a woman in birth pangs and no nation will escape. As things progress we will see a days wage for a quart of wheat and mens hearts failing them with fear of what is coming upon the whole earth. 70 AD was localized and revelation is a global event.
The two witnesses will arrive on time. AS for now we are supposed to recognize these signs and one of the signs is doctrines of demons being taught in the churches. We see that now too and that would seem to prove that Satan and the demons are not bound. A guy named Joe Schimmel goes through history of rock and roll and he proves that demonic spirits are behind that whole moment. They are not bound and the righteousness that comes with the kingdom coming is not here.
The spiritual kingdom is real and this does not void all these other promises, prophecies, oaths and covenants. In the end it will be just like the two disciples on the road when Jesus met them and opened the scripture to them about the things he would fulfill. The passages I cite are just as literal as Jesus coming on the foal of a donkey and being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver and all. The fact that the literal belief does not hold contradictory positions if true is a strong evidence that it is the correct position or is it just a coincidence the world is moving down the exact path as expected at and increasing rate and the resolution is much clearer than it was 50 years ago. You will note see me again until you say blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD. Jesus said this to the Jews and this is when Christ comes and saves just as the passages say He will.

 

[jgr]

Queen Elizabeth 11 traces her lineage back to David.
David himself will not be raised until after the Millennium. Acts 13;33

You're missing the word "throne".

 

[DavidPT]

1 John 5:8We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
Which Jerusalem are you referring to? And in which one do you find your "security"?
Galatians 4:
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

Even when trying to understand it in that sense, how can anyone claim they are dwelling safely in light of persecution, which sometimes results in martyrdom? And then there is Revelation 13 and the 42 month reign of the beast, where we are told the beast shall make war with the saints, and overcome them. Doesn't sound like a description of dwelling safely to me.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Even when trying to understand it in that sense, how can anyone claim they are dwelling safely in light of persecution, which sometimes results in martyrdom? And then there is Revelation 13 and the 42 month reign of the beast, where we are told the beast shall make war with the saints, and overcome them. Doesn't sound like a description of dwelling safely to me.

You have such a carnal, earthly way of looking at things when Christians should look at things from a spiritual, heavenly perspective. Are we not safe in a spiritual sense even when dealing with persecution? Of course we are. You're thinking of physical safety when spiritual safety is what matters.

1 Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Notice here that it's the ones who say "peace and safety" that will have the sudden destruction of God's wrath come down upon them. They are delusional in thinking that they are at peace spiritually and are safe, but they are not. We Christians are the ones who can say "peace and safety" because we are at peace spiritually and safe from the wrath of God.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

When you think it about it though, assuming a thousand years after the 2nd coming, well satan's little season, if we factor this in, doesn't seem to be describing what I have quoted from verse 7 above. It gives the impression that rather than this peace having no end, it experiences a period of time, a little season in this case, where it is no longer a time of never ending peace, which then is a contradiction.

It seems to me then, no matter how you might look at it, whether from a Premil perspective or an Amil perspective, this peace that there will be no end, it has to be meaning after the time of the GWTJ. If we apply it to the millennium, what about satan's little season after the millennium, that it contradicts peace that has no end if one has this peace that has no end meaning before satan's little season rather than after?

You don't seem to be reading Isaiah 9:6-7 very carefully. The time of peace without end begins when Jesus begins reigning on David's throne.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

If you read this carefully without bias then you should see that the increase of his government and peace without end corresponds with Him reigning over His kingdom while sitting on the throne of David. Does that apply to a time after the GWTJ? No. It applies to the time since His resurrection. Peter taught that Jesus took His place on David's throne (in a figurative sense, of course) upon His resurrection from the dead.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

When it talks about his peace having no end, it's not talking about perfect peace on earth (or the new earth) without end as you think. It's talking about the spiritual peace that He provides those of us who are in His kingdom. We have perfect peace spiritually in Him, the Prince of Peace, and His peace that He provides for us has no end.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Nathanael recognizing Jesus as king is certainly not the onset of the kingdom. If Zech 14, Rev Armageddon, Joel the great day of the LORD and many other places are future we see the kingdom coming on a day when all the nations are gathered to Israel and Jerusalem.

Are you somehow unaware that we are in Christ's kingdom now? Jesus is your King right now, is He not? I don't know how any Christian can be unaware that we're in His kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Also, you're talking about His kingdom in such a way that it would come with observation despite the fact that Jesus said it does not come with observation (Luke 17:20).

 

[keras]

Are you somehow unaware that we are in Christ's kingdom now?

We are not delusional, if our current existence; as good as it maybe, is the epitome of God's Promises to us, then I am very disappointed.
I do think we can look forward to a literal physical Kingdom, as described in Isaiah 65:18-25, Amos 9:13-15, +

Your AMill belief is unscriptural and fails to take note of the progression of God's Plan for humanity, from the Fall, to the Advent of Jesus, to His Return and reign for a thousand years, then Eternity with God dwelling with mankind on earth. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[Timtofly]

You have such a carnal, earthly way of looking at things when Christians should look at things from a spiritual, heavenly perspective.

How is this not slander?

 

[jeffweedaman]

We are not delusional, if our current existence; as good as it maybe, is the epitome of God's Promises to us, then I am very disappointed.

The epitome of Gods promise to us is the opposite of an earthly reign on this earth over wicked folk..
We look for the NHNE where righteous dwells at his promise of his coming.


10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found spotless and blameless by Him, at peace, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which there are some things that are hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unscrupulous people and lose your own firm commitment, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.