Intimacy

[elephunky]

Well, I was a real So. California hippie. It didn't stop me from thinking I could be a Christian. To me a hippie meant we were against war and we had a real unjust war to protest against. It was about peace but not necessarily Christian or non Christian related, and I liked the clothes and the music. A lot of the hippie music was Christian oriented. Ever heard of King Crimson or the song by the Byrds "Turn, Turn, Turn"? That song is taken from the book of Ecclesiastes.

So what are you a hippie about?

What are the new hippies?

Im not a meodern day hippy, they are all into drugs and think taht makes em hippies.

Hippie I mean that I hope that teh government will do waht they can but I disagree with some laws, I disagree with teh expectations placed on people by society, media and the government. I want to be a free spirit. It doesnt mean I dont believe in God and Jesus, but I feel Laws restrict me and supress my character and personality.

 

[one11]

Hippies were mostly all Christian, though we got along with Buddhists and Krishna's I think is the word. But most hippies loved Jesus Christ believe it or not.

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial][SIZE=-1]Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is a Season)
The Byrds

- words adapted from the Book of Ecclesiastes by Pete Seeger
- music by Pete Seeger

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time of war, a time of peace
A time of love, a time of hate
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing

To everything - turn, turn, turn
There is a season - turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!

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[elephunky]

The pressure on Christians now is to be how the other christians want you to be, its all so legalistic.

 

[one11]

Im not a meodern day hippy, they are all into drugs and think taht makes em hippies.

Hippie I mean that I hope that teh government will do waht they can but I disagree with some laws, I disagree with teh expectations placed on people by society, media and the government. I want to be a free spirit. It doesnt mean I dont believe in God and Jesus, but I feel Laws restrict me and supress my character and personality.

Oh, I see. I think

The original Hippies were about peace and the Vietnam war. Some were perhaps free spirits in love of meeting with their neighbors in the name of peace.

A lot of hippies were on drugs, that is true. They were trying to reach a nirvana via drugs. Can be a very scary thing because people laced drugs with odd things or made them in their kitchen and it hurt people very badly. The drugs were not good. But California may legalize marijuana soon, so the world may have to accept that.

 

[elephunky]

There are different types of hippies.

I gues im a christian hippie?

Of cuorse I want peace but I dont think it will ever happen. Too much hate.

 

[one11]

There are different types of hippies.

I gues im a christian hippie?

Of cuorse I want peace but I dont think it will ever happen. Too much hate.

Yes, there were different types of hippies, either mostly Christian, or Buddhists and other friends who also loved Jesus Christ in their way. Some said he was the Messiah, some said they didn't know but loved Jesus and were open-minded about it.

Now about the song "Turn, Turn, Turn"... we didn't ever believe there was a time to gather stones together because no one is/was without sin. "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." No one was without sin, so no one could cast a stone.

The hate in the world is another thread altogether. Take care now.

 

[Thaeoles]

The pressure on Christians now is to be how the other christians want you to be, its all so legalistic.

There is a difference between legalism and living by the Standard:

 

[elephunky]

Peopel put too much into the laws and not enough into the beings themselves.

This is why I dont go to church.

 

[Thaeoles]

Peopel put too much into the laws and not enough into the beings themselves.

This is why I dont go to church.

Being myself?! Are you crazy? I don't want to be me. Me is evil, corrupt, hateful, rebellious, lustful, malicious, deceitful, and the list goes on. I try to put myself to death(not physically) daily for Christ to be more like Christ. I am my biggest enemy. Without Christ, I am no good. I go to Church so that I have accountability amoung fellow Christians to help in defeating the flesh. Church is not perfect, but we must grow in Sanctification. Sanctification is progressive, it takes time. Sanctification makes us more like Christ. I want to be more like Christ. Christ wants us to follow Him. Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15) Jesus is God. God gave us the Law. If we love Him we will obey.

 

[elephunky]

i said the beings themselves. As in God, jesus.

You need some self love dude.

 

[Thaeoles]

i said the beings themselves. As in God, jesus.

You need some self love dude.

I love myself to take care of my health; physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. But I hate my flesh.

To love another as myself, is to attend the needs of others. Whether it's a physical, mental, emotional, spiritual need. And care for them as I would take care of myself.

I do have 'self love' in a sense, but Christ is much more important.

 

[elephunky]

Okie Dokie

 

[chingchang]

Being myself?! Are you crazy? I don't want to be me. Me is evil, corrupt, hateful, rebellious, lustful, malicious, deceitful, and the list goes on. I try to put myself to death(not physically) daily for Christ to be more like Christ. I am my biggest enemy. Without Christ, I am no good. I go to Church so that I have accountability amoung fellow Christians to help in defeating the flesh. Church is not perfect, but we must grow in Sanctification. Sanctification is progressive, it takes time. Sanctification makes us more like Christ. I want to be more like Christ. Christ wants us to follow Him. Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15) Jesus is God. God gave us the Law. If we love Him we will obey.

The law of love (of God and neighbor) is the one that we are under now. James called it the "royal law". BTW...you have an enemy that is bigger and badder than your flesh. Your flesh is NOT the enemy. I prefer to look at my flesh as a wild beast that has been tamed but needs constant monitoring and correction. You CAN master your flesh with the help of God...IMHO.

Hugs,
CC

 

[david_x]

You can love someone without having a relationship with them. Relationship is being bound to them, having to consider them in your actions.

I did not insinuate that a Relationship is needed for Love, but that love is needed for a Relationship. (By Relationship i mean the relationship we share with God, not a normal relationship that you can have simply by walking by someone.)

 

[david_x]

Peopel put too much into the laws and not enough into the beings themselves.

This is why I dont go to church.

So in fact we should address the understanding of Church. A church is a building, which is what you would not go to. However, a Church is a group of beings congregating to worship the creator and bring joy to the community at hand. (Nothing you can go to...)

 

[chingchang]

So in fact we should address the understanding of Church. A church is a building, which is what you would not go to. However, a Church is a group of beings congregating to worship the creator and bring joy to the community at hand. (Nothing you can go to...)

Nah...the Church is simply the folks that are saved. They might be congregating and worshiping the creator...or they might all be at home or at work...they are still "the Church" no matter what they are doing or where they are physically. Ideally we'd gather with other believers and share our lives...resources and insight with one-another. However...I can identify with those that have been turned-off by various legalistic and/or fundamentalist church experiences.

Hopefully I wasn't confused in what you were stating...

Hugs,
CC

 

[Nadiine]

You have a particular view of God's sovereignty and human responsibility that I do not share. Of course a child born out of wedlock is formed by God is a part of his plan and may become a child of his through faith in Jesus. That does not mean that pre-marital sex is what God wants for us. A child can be made from a payed union with a prostitute, that child is part of God's plan but that doesn't mean that prostitution is.


Every Christian is part of the "do as I say, not as I do" brigade, or more accurately the, "do as he says (God's law) and he did (Jesus' example) not as I do" brigade. However, I am a virgin and have not had premarital sex. Is my opinion now more valid?

Another verse which I think complements that one nicely is:

Sex and marriage are inextricably combined in the bible. Sex turns two people into one flesh.

The reason this is all rejected as "Christian truth " by people who claim
Christianity is that they reject the foundation (scripture) you
base it on.

When you remove the source of scripture as truth from God,
you basically have a hodge podge of spiritual beliefs that you
randomly believe & unfortunately, they have NOTHING to base
those on to know if they're true without the bible.

It amounts to glorified random guessing becuz that's what they
want the religion to be for them - not what it is or was in past
history in the early churches that formed & followed the authors
writings.

Honestly I don't see how anyone can follow something like this.
Taking some shreds of 1 religion & then forming personal beliefs
contrary to the founders teachings - I say this of ANY religion
out there.
If the original people had it wrong, then why follow what is
already false at the inception? Obviously they didn't know the truth to begin with; I'd RUN from it as fast as I could.

& if it's false, does changing it even MORE make it truth all of a
sudden? I may never understand the thought process
behind this type of reasoning

 

[Nadiine]

The law of love (of God and neighbor) is the one that we are under now. James called it the "royal law". BTW...you have an enemy that is bigger and badder than your flesh. Your flesh is NOT the enemy. I prefer to look at my flesh as a wild beast that has been tamed but needs constant monitoring and correction. You CAN master your flesh with the help of God...IMHO.

Hugs,
CC

and what is the law of love?

You're told here:
Romans 13:8-10



8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


(THE LAW OF LOVE INCLUDES ALL THE MORAL LAW - THE MORAL LAW IS BASED ON TRUE LOVE OF GOD AND ONE ANOTHER).

**The laws in that verse are from the OT law. They are standing
moral laws that didn't get ended with the New Testament as many
like to conveniently claim.

So people who cherry pick out which moral laws of love they REFUSE to obey are not obeying the law of love,
they're not showing Godly love, they're committing, promoting
or condoning sin.

 

[chingchang]

and what is the law of love?

James 2:8 (NIV):
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.

Mark 12:30-31 (NIV):
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

**The laws in that verse are from the OT law. They are standing
moral laws that didn't get ended with the New Testament as many
like to conveniently claim.

See Galatians 5:1 (below in red)

Also...

Galatians 3:23-25 (NIV):
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Reconcile the language of Gal 3:23 with what Paul states emphatically in Gal 5:1.

So people who cherry pick out which moral laws of love they REFUSE to obey are not obeying the law of love,
they're not showing Godly love, they're committing, promoting
or condoning sin.

You'll have to be more specific by sharing the scripture with these folks that shows that premarital sex is a sin. Don't bother with the 'sexual immorality' or 'fornication' scripture until you have proved that premarital sex is sexually immoral as defined by the Bible...not your Church.

God be with ye!
CC

 

[Nadiine]

James 2:8 (NIV):
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.

Mark 12:30-31 (NIV):
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."


See Galatians 5:1 (below in red)

Also...

Galatians 3:23-25 (NIV):
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Reconcile the language of Gal 3:23 with what Paul states emphatically in Gal 5:1.


You'll have to be more specific by sharing the scripture with these folks that shows that premarital sex is a sin. Don't bother with the 'sexual immorality' or 'fornication' scripture until you have proved that premarital sex is sexually immoral as defined by the Bible...not your Church.

God be with ye!
CC

THen the OT law of murder, adultery, stealing and lying are gone too then.
Is that your claim? Those laws are removed so people can murder, steal, lie
& have marital affairs all they want & it's kool with God?

His moral laws from the OT continued -


The same bible you claim the law of love from is defining LOVE as the
moral laws (found in the OT - and reiterated again in the NT).
Is this "royal" law different from the "regular" law of love or something??


God defines love, not man. And He claims that His moral laws are
love. So anyone tampering with His moral laws are making themselves
a god or lawgiver of their own which are contrary to God.

Sure the secular world thinks they can decide what's right and wrong,
but look at the condition its in due to living by their own standards of love and morality.

What's worse, they've gotten so desensitized and numb to evil
by living in it long enough, that they don't even care when they
knowingly do wrong anymore.
As God's word tells us, sin begets sin. One leads to the next and
you do more and more of it without shame or guilt.
(searing/dulling the conscience).

The way the world lives who think they can decide what's moral,
proves to me that we cannot live our own way & that God's way
is true and right.
A Christian lives outside the world's self created standards.
& what I read in this thread from some are secular, worldly beliefs.

Matthew 5:18
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.