Intimacy

[elephunky]

Thank you to those who bothered to state if it was on topic or offtopic.

Is there a point waiting when you are already spent?

 

[one11]

Thank you to those who bothered to state if it was on topic or offtopic.

Is there a point waiting when you are already spent?

I think there is a point, do date and have fun first as people. You are not spent. You have the same right to be treated as a virgin, courted and cared for by a new man you are accepting a date or a courtship with. If you are falling for someone, tell them how you really feel and that you are worth waiting for.

Also, make sure you get a good education because you never know how long a man will live even if you find the right one. He may die young. You never know. Are you getting a skill at this time in your life, or do you have one already?

 

[elephunky]

A good education? I would want that regardless. Im not the sort of person who sits around at home watiting to be married.

I am an IT Trainee

 

[Texas Lynn]

Well, the Priests looked confused. That's hurtful. You can't peacefully protest in someone's church. That's just wrong!

My late step-grandmother cried when her high school elected an African-American homecoming queen.

 

[elephunky]

say what now

 

[Nadiine]

Thank you to those who bothered to state if it was on topic or offtopic.

Is there a point waiting when you are already spent?

Absolutely there are reasons dGirl, lots of them.
In fact, the same reasons I originally listed earlier in this thread.

First off, who wants to be living in sin if we love Christ & it grieves
Him?
That alone is the one best reason I can come up with - the rest are
just are that consequences stuff & baggage we keep adding on
to the pile as we accumulate more partners & multiply the times we
do it.
The more you do it the more common it becomes also and the harder
it is to stop doing altogether. You know when my mom had a little
sit down with me about sex when I was starting to hang out w/
bad crowds, she mentioned that to me that if you end up going
all the way, it makes it that much more easier to continue finishing
the act AND harder to stop.

I didn't believe her then (esp. that she knew anything about it lol)
but I learned that she was right.
It already sounds like you have a feeling a "Loss" about your virginity
& since it's gone you have a hard time seeing value to not just
continuing it.

This is about your current self respect & relationship w/ God. If we repent
of sin, it's as if we didn't commit it...
so why keep degrading yourself with more people if God forgives us?
(or maybe you don't feel remorse for it at all?).

 

[Texas Lynn]

say what now

I was using that as an analogy to emotions felt by conservative Catholics over the Sisters' presence at the mass.

 

[UnderHisWings1979]

For me its like...You have already gone through disney world, rode all the rides, do all that extra special stuff there, then suddenly a bunch of people are advising you not to go through the gates because its not good for. It will tarnish your fun and effect your life in ways you will regret even though you have already ridden all the riddes and had all the fun and it hasnt effected you the way they say it is and will.

Having said that it doesnt mean i wanna sleep with every partner I ever have, I think its more about boundreis, and it feels reall yridiculous and overkill for someone who has been all th way a few times to suddenly go KISSING ONLY.

I do think the reason they emphaisised non makey outey ness was to resist deflowering virgins before marriage. Too bad if your not a virgin eh...

I absolutely understand how you feel, and I am not saying you have to go to kissing only. I was not a virgin at the time, either, but I do believe that it was extremely valuable. In a physical sense, you can never regain your virginity. But I do believe that through Christ you can regain the purity of heart and mind. It will never be the same as before you ever had sex, but it will still be meaningful. Again, I fully understand where you are coming from. I just ask you to trust me, as someone who has been where you are now and has come through to the other side of it. If you do not wait, you will wish you had when you get married some day, and if you do wait, you will be glad you did.

To clarify, more than anything it is about Christ. It is about seeking a relationship with Him, and striving to live life as much like Him as we can. Paul wrote, "All things are lawful, but not all things are good." The point is that if something is useful for building up others and yourself, it is good. So ask yourself, does this build you up, or does it simply temporarily satisfy a longing? I know, again, because I have been there, that it is hard. But in the end, that longing can only be fulfilled by Christ.

 

[Nadiine]

Oh: off topic

Originally Posted by Texas Lynn

Ah, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence-a performance art project. It looks like no one was hurt in their action. It doesn't look like anyone was "harrassed" either.

Apples and oranges, as usual.

BTW, the epithet "trannies" is considered a slur.
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Trannies isn't a slur - it's a shortcut to saying the entire word.
Guess you have to say the entire word then.... how about TV's?

There were a few different incidents where Catholic churches were
interrupted by gay protestors & it wasn't only in San Fran., another
was Michigan & someplace else.
From what I remember it was a different incident that the gays
barged in on - my point w/ one of those was to show your contrast
to the "bible belt" where San Fran. is it's own little PC island.

Well, the Priests looked confused. That's hurtful. You can't peacefully protest in someone's church. That's just wrong!

it's always wrong, I agree.

Anybody barging in on people's worship is rude. I wouldn't dream of
doing that to even a cult.
That's how extreme these people are tho.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Oh: off topic

Trannies isn't a slur - it's a shortcut to saying the entire word.
Guess you have to say the entire word then.... how about TV's?

All I know is the advocates of transgender inclusive civil rights say "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" is a slur. It does appear dismissive, but so do comments of yours toward other groups.

There were a few different incidents where Catholic churches were
interrupted by gay protestors & it wasn't only in San Fran., another
was Michigan & someplace else.
From what I remember it was a different incident that the gays
barged in on - my point w/ one of those was to show your contrast
to the "bible belt" where San Fran. is it's own little PC island.

St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York in the 1980s by ACT-UP.

Anybody barging in on people's worship is rude. I wouldn't dream of doing that to even a cult. That's how extreme these people are tho.

A cult would give 'em the bum's rush. Extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures and the AIDS crisis was one and the Proposition 8 vote is another though. I don't endorse either but I understand it. As the Holly Near song goes, "We are a gentle angry people and we are singing for our lives".

 

[Nadiine]

All I know is the advocates of transgender inclusive civil rights say "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" is a slur. It does appear dismissive, but so do comments of yours toward other groups.

pot, kettle, black.

As the Holly Near song goes, "We are a gentle angry people and we are singing for our lives".

I'd rather quote God's moral standards than chant a song that
pleads for God's definition of marriage to be reduced

That's ok tho, this is supposed to happen according to prophecy, as
I see it you'll get most all of your wishes as the world dismisses God's
holy standards

 

[Texas Lynn]

I'd rather quote God's moral standards than chant a song that pleads for God's definition of marriage to be reduced

To expand the francise is hardly a reduction and God is not to be blamed for manmade customs.

That's ok tho, this is supposed to happen according to prophecy, as I see it you'll get most all of your wishes as the world dismisses God's
holy standards

I don't believe that has happened or will occur. Whensomebody starts telling you they know what "God's Holy Standards" are it's time to make sure your wallet's still there.

 

[one11]

The LGBT isn't singing for it's lives. It's singing for benefits and reducing marriage TO benefits, which equals money.

That's how I see marriage now. I see marriage as benefits, and I don't need any benefits as far as health. I'm covered, and I don't have any benefits to offer my ex husband as far as monetarily. So why should I get married when there are no benefits?

 

[Tissue]

Socially acceptable sex?

 

[one11]

Socially acceptable sex?

Isn't that a bit archaic? I mean the Bible wasn't written for modern times or was it?

 

[one11]

To expand the francise is hardly a reduction and God is not to be blamed for manmade customs.

Why do I need to get married when

1) It's just a man-made custom

and

2) The Bible was written by man and can't be trusted.

Certainly, not a ring. He gave me hundreds of rings. Beautiful rings, and one special ring.

Once we get socialized medicine here too, what's the point of being married?

I have wills and things and so does my ex-husband including large life insurance, so why do we need to get married? It's just a man-made custom and there are many who say the Bible can't be trusted or was all made up.

So *shrug* what do I need to get married for?

 

[Tissue]

Isn't that a bit archaic? I mean the Bible wasn't written for modern times or was it?

Holding doors open for women is archaic too, but it's nevertheless part of our culture (albeit one that is rapidly being phased out).

There's no non-social reason for a woman to shave her legs.

 

[one11]

Holding doors open for women is archaic too, but it's nevertheless part of our culture (albeit one that is rapidly being phased out).

There's no non-social reason for a woman to shave her legs.

I never shaved my legs for society. I shaved them for me to look more attractive because I had very nice legs.

So, you're saying I need to get married to make some unknown society happy? What society?

 

[MarkSB]

Socially acceptable sex?

It has much more to it than just socially acceptable sex. It's about being joined before God at altar.

Besides, your point contradicts itself since sex outside of marriage is, for the most part, acceptable by society's standards. Many non-religious people who get married simply look at it as a piece of paper.

 

[one11]

Yeah, my Mom doesn't even care if we're remarried or not, she's just happy we are back together, and all that I have is his and all that he has is mine. So, I need to get married to make society happy? I don't think Jesus even spoke much about marriage. So, marriage probably didn't matter to Jesus if he didn't speak about it.