Intimacy

[one11]

People might be spiritually united when they have sex, but that doesn't make them married. The thing about about marriage is that it requires a binding commitment before sleeping with each other. This lets you know what the other person's true intentions are.

SORRY THIS QUOTE THING ISN'T WORKING. My response here:

In the biblical sense to know, meant to have sex with. Marriage ceremonies are made up by man. However, marriage in the Bible wasn't a marriage until the shedding of the virgin blood which sealed the marriage as a blood covenant. This is what churches should be teaching. Not stuff about white dresses, tuxedos, and flowers.

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MarkSB writes: (Sorry quote thing not working for me.)

He says specifically,"It is better to marry than to burn with passion." "Burn with passion" doesn't imply to me that they were sleeping around. It means exactly what it says.[/quote]

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My response to MarkSB:

I was quoting 1 Corthinians 7 in my above post, which is different than the "burn with passion. However the burn with passion scripture could be interpreted as: to have sexual intercourse (to marry) rather than burn with passion. Just getting the marriage ceremony doesn't stop the burning with passion, does it?

1 Corinthians 7 from the Douay-Rheims Bible is interesting because I was wondering if the church of Corinth (which was the most rebellious of all the early churches written about) is actually saying for the people to go back to their original wife or husband. Could there have been wife swapping going on? And then remember the passage where a man has his step-mother? It sounds like coveting and taking each others spouses 'might' have been going on. Look at this translation here:

1 Cor 7

Douay-Rheims Bible
But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

And then look at this translation: 1 Corin 7

Young's Literal Translation
and because of the whoredom let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her proper husband;

What is the greek word for fornication if anyone knows? Is it pornea?

Anyhow, marriage is supposed to be a blood covenant with a virgin bride and the churches are teaching THIS WRONG PERIOD. I feel very let down by my churches teachings in my life time. They let me down period.

 

[one11]

If the act of sex means that you are married, then how can there be fornication (sex outside of marriage),

I do, however agree, that when two are joined as one flesh, even outside of marriage, moving on to another partner is spiritual divorce.

Sex outside of marriage is adultery. A breaking of the marriage covenant.

And we are also trying to "marry" ourselves to Christ. When we seek other gods, that is idolatry. A breaking of that "marriage" covenant but is like 'adultery'.

 

[david_x]

I'm not promoting premarital sex because there is no such thing. When you have consent to sexual intercourse, you are married in God's eyes.

Once we have sexual intercourse, we are one flesh period. Man made up the customs of the marriage ceremony, ring and all the expensive stuff that doesn't make a marriage. It makes an outward marriage, but consent to sexual intercourse called consummation is what makes a marriage legal in the eye's of God. So, some young people are led by incorrect thinking in regards to premarital sex. There is no such thing. Man invented that too in this modern era, so he could try before buying. That's the motto of today's modern world. "Try before buying", but it's a lie because there is no such thing as premarital sex. Oops, intercourse is marriage. Why doesn't society nor the church teach this?

1 Cor 6

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."

In a way, but in having sex with a second person you have had premarital sex with the person you had sex with before that person.

 

[DonaldOrwinRenKern]

The best thing to do would be to put everyone inside a plastic bubble until they get married. That way there is no:

Kissing
Necking
Touching
Playing
Other naughty things

Or maybe a some type of device that would send 1000 volts of electricity into anyone if the get closer than an inch and a half.

Follow the rules all your life and never come into any type of intimate contact with anyone. That way you can get married and all excited because you finally get to kiss someone in your sheltered life and find out that you married a complete jerk for all the wrong reasons.

I'll tell you what. Most of the guys I grew up with went to the local churches to get the easy girls. They weren't easy because they were bad... They were easy because their parents tried to shelter them from the heathen ways of the world in the most hypocritical of ways... the old "I'm protecting you from the mistakes I've made."

Hate to break it to you, but it doesn't work that way... You either do or you don't... either behind your parents back because you are too afraid to speak to them, or you are able to go to them for advice.

How many teenage girls are pregnant because they lied to their parents about having sex and their parents are too blind to see that it's possible that they are doing something like that "Not my kid. Birth control! no way, that will only give the green light."

Have sex, kiss, don't kiss, don't have sex... what do you think you should do?

 

[Dichotomy]

Things can easily stop at a kiss on the lips, but making out tends to escalate things.

 

[Thaeoles]

Things can easily stop at a kiss on the lips, but making out tends to escalate things.

That may be true for some. Personally, I can't even go that far without being tempted to go further. My personal opinion is to be above reproach, to ere on the side of caution. Godliness is far more important than satisfying the flesh.

 

[Texas Lynn]

"6Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. 7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. 8To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 9But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." - 1 Corinthians 7:6-9




According to the Holy Scriptures, some people need to.

That'd be a poor reason to marry. Nobody should get married unless they want to get married.

 

[Thaeoles]

That'd be a poor reason to marry. Nobody should get married unless they want to get married.

According to the Holy Scriptures, if you have strong sexual desires, you should want to get married in order to fulfill those desires without sinning. If you have strong sexual desires, but do not want to get married, the end result is usually fornication and all other kinds of sexual immorality.

 

[Nadiine]

The best thing to do would be to put everyone inside a plastic bubble until they get married. That way there is no:

Kissing
Necking
Touching
Playing
Other naughty things

Or maybe a some type of device that would send 1000 volts of electricity into anyone if the get closer than an inch and a half.

Follow the rules all your life and never come into any type of intimate contact with anyone. That way you can get married and all excited because you finally get to kiss someone in your sheltered life and find out that you married a complete jerk for all the wrong reasons.

I'll tell you what. Most of the guys I grew up with went to the local churches to get the easy girls. They weren't easy because they were bad... They were easy because their parents tried to shelter them from the heathen ways of the world in the most hypocritical of ways... the old "I'm protecting you from the mistakes I've made."

Hate to break it to you, but it doesn't work that way... You either do or you don't... either behind your parents back because you are too afraid to speak to them, or you are able to go to them for advice.

How many teenage girls are pregnant because they lied to their parents about having sex and their parents are too blind to see that it's possible that they are doing something like that "Not my kid. Birth control! no way, that will only give the green light."

Have sex, kiss, don't kiss, don't have sex... what do you think you should do?

How many kids are pregnant becuz they aren't taught what sex
is for and about in God's eyes & becuz they have NO relationship with
Jesus Christ.

This is nothing more than a humanist approach at viewing sex.
& if this is your response to an answer, then it would most likely be
typical in today's immorally saturated world where we're desensitized
& numb to righteousness - for righteousness sake.



I would just LOVE it if one day somebody could explain marriage &
sex from the biblical point of view for once.

I for one would like to know how many ask "how can I please God"
instead of "how far can I go & get away with what I prefer"?

 

[Nadiine]

According to the Holy Scriptures, if you have strong sexual desires, you should want to get married in order to fulfill those desires without sinning. If you have strong sexual desires, but do not want to get married, the end result is usually fornication and all other kinds of sexual immorality.

well see, this is the first problem Thaeoles, nobody seems to quite care
about the Holy word of God anymore - they've somehow risen to a higher
spiritual plane than what God taught.


Worse, we read this on a forum that claims to be Christian.

 

[elephunky]

I think that scripture goes SINCE there IS SO MUCH sexual immorality, let each man have HIS OWN wife and each woman HAVE HER OWN husband. Sounds like they were sleeping around, dishonoring what the marriage covenant was, and Paul was telling them to make a choice of one person each out of all the people they were sleeping with.

I agree

 

[Nadiine]

I think that scripture goes SINCE there IS SO MUCH sexual immorality, let each man have HIS OWN wife and each woman HAVE HER OWN husband. Sounds like they were sleeping around, dishonoring what the marriage covenant was, and Paul was telling them to make a choice of one person each out of all the people they were sleeping with.

Not sure, but the main point in that verse is that sex isn't to be taken
lightly.

Paul also wrote the qualifications for overseers - one of them is that they
are to be "blameless" - "the husband of but one wife".
It could be that polygamy was rampant?

But today sex is just commonly abused & you almost appear
Puritanical or Phariseeical if you dare mention moral values & abstaining.

very sad, but prophecied.

here's an excerpt from an online commentary I value:

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a. Concerning the things of which you wrote to me: Chapter seven begins a section where Paul will deal with specific questions asked him in a letter by the Corinthian Christians.

b. It is good for a man not to touch a woman: Here, “touch” is used in the sense of having sexual relations. This was probably a statement made by the Corinthian Christians, which they were asking Paul to agree with. Paul will agree with the statement,
but not without reservation – the Nevertheless of verse two.

i. Why would the Corinthian Christians suggest complete celibacy – which is what is meant by a man not to touch a woman? They probably figured that if sexual immorality was such a danger, then one could be more pure by abstaining from sex altogether, even in marriage.

ii. “The idea that marriage was a less holy state than celibacy, naturally led to the conclusion that married persons ought to separate, and it soon came to be regarded as an evidence of eminent spirituality when such a separation was final.” (Hodge)

c. Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband: In light of the danger of sexual immorality (ever present in the Corinthian culture – and our own), it is appropriate for husband and wife to have each other in a sexual sense.

i. Paul is not commanding the Corinthian Christians to get married (an issue he deals with later in the chapter), but a command to live as a married person, especially in the sexual sense.
Paul is saying that husbands and wives should be having sexual relations.
ii. “What miserable work has been made in the peace of families by a wife or a husband pretending to be wiser than the apostle, and too holy and spiritual to keep the commandments of God!” (Clarke)

d. Paul is not saying sex is the only reason for marriage, or the most important reason for marriage.
Paul is simply answering their specific questions about marriage, not trying to give a complete theology of marriage.

 

[one11]

Not sure, but the main point in that verse is that sex isn't to be taken
lightly.

Paul also wrote the qualifications for overseers - one of them is that they
are to be "blameless" - "the husband of but one wife".
It could be that polygamy was rampant?

But today sex is just commonly abused & you almost appear
Puritanical or Phariseeical if you dare mention moral values & abstaining.

very sad, but prophecied.

here's an excerpt from an online commentary I value:

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a. Concerning the things of which you wrote to me: Chapter seven begins a section where Paul will deal with specific questions asked him in a letter by the Corinthian Christians.

b. It is good for a man not to touch a woman: Here, “touch” is used in the sense of having sexual relations. This was probably a statement made by the Corinthian Christians, which they were asking Paul to agree with. Paul will agree with the statement,
but not without reservation – the Nevertheless of verse two.

i. Why would the Corinthian Christians suggest complete celibacy – which is what is meant by a man not to touch a woman? They probably figured that if sexual immorality was such a danger, then one could be more pure by abstaining from sex altogether, even in marriage.

ii. “The idea that marriage was a less holy state than celibacy, naturally led to the conclusion that married persons ought to separate, and it soon came to be regarded as an evidence of eminent spirituality when such a separation was final.” (Hodge)

c. Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband: In light of the danger of sexual immorality (ever present in the Corinthian culture – and our own), it is appropriate for husband and wife to have each other in a sexual sense.

i. Paul is not commanding the Corinthian Christians to get married (an issue he deals with later in the chapter), but a command to live as a married person, especially in the sexual sense.
Paul is saying that husbands and wives should be having sexual relations.
ii. “What miserable work has been made in the peace of families by a wife or a husband pretending to be wiser than the apostle, and too holy and spiritual to keep the commandments of God!” (Clarke)

d. Paul is not saying sex is the only reason for marriage, or the most important reason for marriage.
Paul is simply answering their specific questions about marriage, not trying to give a complete theology of marriage.

It could have been polygamy, incest, wife swapping. I'm not sure. But I had this call on my heart about the scripture where it said have their OWN wife/husband.

The word "own" resonated in my thoughts as to what this scripture was really saying and it reminded of the scripture where God says "I hate divorce! Go back to the woman of your youth." So, I decided to look up different definitions and came up with this translation:

Young's Literal Translation
and because of the whoredom let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her proper husband;


It could have meant "go back to the one you are married too", the one who is your proper husband/wife, and don't share your husband or wife with any one else.

I start thinking about that word "own" in a different way because once we are married we are in a way "owned" by each other. IOW, that person is someone's own alone and you leave them alone period because that is their wife or their husband and you don't take what is not your own.

 

[Texas Lynn]

According to the Holy Scriptures, if you have strong sexual desires, you should want to get married in order to fulfill those desires without sinning. If you have strong sexual desires, but do not want to get married, the end result is usually fornication and all other kinds of sexual immorality.

In this the scriptures merely serve as a vessel to enforce sexual conformity and must therefore be viewed as other than an instruction to free people of today. "Marriage" in those days were merely property arrangements and women the commodity. The ancient patriarchical structures which rose with the development of mass agriculture have been breaking down for the last few hundred years and that is certainly a blessing.

Those concerned with "sexual immorality" need to look in the mirror and if they choose to look out the window instead whatever illegetimate authority they seek to assert must be rejected vigorously.

 

[elephunky]

Thaeoles

Your sig made me sigh

 

[Thaeoles]

Your sig made me sigh

Well, that's what a Christian's life mainly consists of; repentance.

 

[elephunky]

Well, that's what a Christian's life mainly consists of; repentance.

It comes across as...IN YA FACE

 

[Thaeoles]

It comes across as...IN YA FACE

It's supposed to. I'm glad people are getting the message.

 

[Texas Lynn]

It comes across as...IN YA FACE

You noticed that too, eh?

 

[elephunky]

Most people dont respond favourably to that approach, most despise it actually