Insane...

[Catherineanne]

it appears they are condoning sexual abuse of children.

Given that they are living by 1,000 year old morality at least, this is no surprise. They probably wonder what all the fuss is about.

 

[Criada]

Ugh.
I am pro-life, but how anyone can argue that it is God's will to put a 9 year old child through pregnancy and childbirth, even if she had a chance of survival, is beyond me.

 

[Im_A]

it appears they are condoning sexual abuse of children.

i wouldn't go so far to say that personally. they didn't condone sexual abuse of the child. they said, abortion is more evil than rape.

now personally i could never make that leap, but they didn't condone anything here. i think many people have good reason to have some questions for the Roman Catholic Church to answer, but let's not put words in their mouth.

 

[TheManeki]

Excellent point, Im_a!

 

[lilrose]

i wouldn't go so far to say that personally. they didn't condone sexual abuse of the child. they said, abortion is more evil than rape.

now personally i could never make that leap, but they didn't condone anything here. i think many people have good reason to have some questions for the Roman Catholic Church to answer, but let's not put words in their mouth.

Why not? By NOT excommunicating the rapist they may as well condone it and give the rapist a hand shake.



A dead 9 year old is nothing to the authority...as far as I am concerned this along with the pope's comments about condems in Africa totally destroys the credibility of the church.

It certainy cannot be the church Christ left behind because it is operating without mercy.

 

[lilrose]

This behaviour in the Roman Church is indeed insane. The church prefers a 9 year old child to die in childbirth, rather than terminate a pregnancy resulting from child abuse.

When the doctors take a judgement that the mother's life is in danger, it is standard medical practice to save her life first, and then the baby's, if at all possible. There was very very little chance in this case of either surviving the birth. Yet the Romans still refuse to see anything other than abortion is always wrong; preferring an act of God to result in two deaths, rather than save one.

And for saying this on OBOB I was banned for a week, and am still locked out of the thread in question. I was told I was arguing against Catholic theology. I wasn't. I was simply stating what is standard medical practice in any civilised country on earth. And what is insane, which is to allow a 9 year old to die in childbirth rather than act to save her life.

One life or neither are the only choices given. To which Rome says, either both or neither, on pain of excommunication. Which means neither. This is indeed insane, and brings the whole of the Roman Catholic church into disrepute.

Well you are a female who had the nerve to voice her opinion and it was common sense. Shame. You bad female you!

 

[jlujan69]

However, the stepfather was not excommunicated, with Sobrinho telling Globo TV that, "A graver act than (rape) is abortion, to eliminate an innocent life."

The thread title says it all. It aptly describes the actions taken by this bishop.

 

[Im_A]

Why not? By NOT excommunicating the rapist they may as well condone it and give the rapist a hand shake.



A dead 9 year old is nothing to the authority...as far as I am concerned this along with the pope's comments about condems in Africa totally destroys the credibility of the church.

It certainy cannot be the church Christ left behind because it is operating without mercy.

is the sin of rape a way to get excommunicated in the Roman Catholic Church for the church goers? if it isn't, then you can't expect the church to excommunicate the rapist without reformation happening in the church. if it is a way to get excommunicated, well i think it shows a common problem in all churches. somehow the churches look lesser on the sins of the church goers than it does its leaders. this doesn't mean they actually condone rape. to me it just means they have an irrational system of dealing with "sins".

i will say that i believe/agree with you that the Roman Catholic Church in these circumstances hold no credibility because the opinions and actions don't justify any reason to think that church has any credibility(i just don't stop with the RCC personally but that's not for this discussion). that doesn't mean i think it is wise to put words in their mouth that was never said.

if you believe in prayer, wouldn't you think it would be more wise to pray for more reformation inside the Roman Catholic Church than it would be to put words in a church's mouth?

 

[thorton]

That poor poor girl


As far as the catholic church, that is not for us to decide or judge but for Jesus to decide. People in church cling to there morals as a symbol of power that they in life crave. The ability to "act" this out unto the community in every little way possible is nothing more than the flaunting of power that they use in order to justify there existence. Everyone in this story needs prayer the little girl, her family, the doctor whose hand was forced and the bishop who abused his power to make a political statement. What a sad sad situation.

 

[TheManeki]

So I guess some sins are subjectively worse than others?

Of course. I believe the rule of thumb for determining the badness of a sin goes this way:

* If you commit a sin that is no temptation to me, it is a grave sin
* If you commit a sin that is also a temptation to me, it is a regular sin
* If I commit a sin that is no temptation to you, it is a minor sin

 

[lilrose]

However, the stepfather was not excommunicated, with Sobrinho telling Globo TV that, "A graver act than (rape) is abortion, to eliminate an innocent life."

The thread title says it all. It aptly describes the actions taken by this bishop.

Note the step father was NOT excommunicated....