If you're a Christian and pro-choice, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

[Belk]

So my right to exist ends at her right to convenience?

What right to exist? You keep asserting this but have yet to show it.

 

[Dave-W]

What "right to exist?" From the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

 

[Belk]

What "right to exist?" From the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

So it is not a right to exist but a right to life. Those are two different things.

 

[Dave-W]

So it is not a right to exist but a right to life. Those are two different things.

How can I (my will intellect and emotions) exist if I have no life?

 

[durangodawood]

When you can prove that broccoli becomes a person at some stage then what you're saying may mean something.

Point missed.

The other person said the issue was "life". So broccoli is relevant. If he said the issue was "human life", then you'd have a point.

 

[Belk]

How can I (my will intellect and emotions) exist if I have no life?

You are the one who believes in life after death, you tell me.

 

[durangodawood]

....So when you argue from that viewpoint you are telling me I have no right to exist. I do not agree.

You have a right to exist now.

But at some point back then, there was no You to hold that right. The question is, as always for this topic, when does a person begin. At conception? At some gray area time during pregnancy?

 

[Dave-W]

The question is, as always for this topic, when does a person begin. At conception? At some gray area time during pregnancy?

The God-deniers will not like my answer to that; but to me person-hood starts before conception.

Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

 

[durangodawood]

The God-deniers will not like my answer to that; but to me person-hood starts before conception.

Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

Maybe Jeremiah was a special case?

At any rate, your answer is entirely a matter of faith. So you cant expect it to work for anyone else.

 

[Aldebaran]

So it is not a right to exist but a right to life. Those are two different things.

If you would be ok with existing as a dead body, then that's your choice. After all, you still exist.

 

[Belk]

If you would be ok with existing as a dead body, then that's your choice. After all, you still exist.

Maybe you can come up with why I should believe said right to exist?

 

[Aldebaran]

Maybe you can come up with why I should believe said right to exist?

If you don't believe you should exist, then you are free to make the decision not to.

 

[Strathos]

Give me a break. You don't REALLY consider a fetus to be a human (with all the rights that comes with that). Otherwise, you'ld support criminal investigations for every miscarriage.

Is there a criminal investigation every time someone dies from a disease, accident, or natural disaster?

 

[Aldebaran]

Give me a break. You don't REALLY consider a fetus to be a human (with all the rights that comes with that). Otherwise, you'ld support criminal investigations for every miscarriage.

If you punched a pregnant woman in the stomach and she miscarried, you would face murder charges.

 

[durangodawood]

Is there a criminal investigation every time someone dies from a disease, accident, or natural disaster?

There is a finding as to cause of death, and a certificate issued by the state.

The consistent thing to do would be to register every pregnancy with the state. Like a birth certificate.

 

[pat34lee]

The justice system itself should be reformed first. Far too many innocent people are convicted, and even executed.

That too. We should go back to the biblical rule on capital cases too. Nobody gets the death penalty except on the testimony of two or more witnesses. No circumstantial cases.

 

[pat34lee]

That will sure whittle down the list of people who have been exonerated. Apparently it is OK to kill innocent people as long as they have been born.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates#United_States

How many of those exonerated were actually innocent, and how many had some legal problem with their trial or conviction. That should be corrected too.

Either way, how many is that percent wise? Less than 1%?

EVERY child killed through abortion is innocent and is killed without the benefit of a trial or legal protection.

 

[pat34lee]

The victim of a rape didn't really have a choice in the matter...

My daughter can't force me to hand over a kidney either.

Throwing rape in is a distraction from the point. There are so few of those in abortions that it wouldn't make a difference statistically.

If you wouldn't give whatever it took to keep your children alive, then you should sterilize yourself before you ever have the chance to have any. Or have a doctor do it for you.

 

[pat34lee]

Do you realise that you have actually consistently maintained that rape victims are somehow responsible for being raped?

There is no one reason for anything. Do you know the statistics on rape? I don't. How many women are raped in supposedly safe places and how many put themselves into danger by being where they shouldn't?

If you think that no rape victims bear any responsibility for themselves, answer the following. If I go into a series of bars, buy drinks and flash money around, am I even partly at fault when I get mugged going to my car from one of them?

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

No, my thanks was directed to the realisation that we no longer dictate to women as to what they may or may not do with their own bodies.

So you would have no quarrel with abortion clinics being shut down, because it's not telling women what to do with their bodies.

Is it fair that a women can kill your unborn child, or keep the child and make you a father whether you are prepared or not? Equality, which I'm sure you uphold consistently giving your standing, is not a bit overlooked there?