If you're a Christian and pro-choice, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

[civilwarbuff]

Key word in my statement was "reasonably". Anything natural should reasonably be considered good.

Really? So you believe bubonic plague, polio, smallpox, whooping cough, etc "should reasonably be considered good" because they are natural? Can't wait to see the tap dancing around this one.

 

[civilwarbuff]

What right to exist? You keep asserting this but have yet to show it.

Do you have a right to exist? Do you know if you would struggle against someone trying to take your life? If you would struggle does that not demonstrate your belief that you have a right to exist? Apply that same question to those you love...do they have a right to exist?

 

[Belk]

Do you have a right to exist? Do you know if you would you struggle against someone trying to take your life? If you would struggle does that not demonstrate your belief that you have a right to exist? Apply that same question to those you love...do they have a right to exist?

Go tell a terminal cancer patient they have a "right to exist". There is no such thing.

 

[PapaZoom]

You have a right to exist now.

But at some point back then, there was no You to hold that right. The question is, as always for this topic, when does a person begin. At conception? At some gray area time during pregnancy?

Is it possible for personhood to begin at conception?

 

[PapaZoom]

Maybe you can come up with why I should believe said right to exist?

You are right to say that without God you have no right to exist. If God doesn't exist, we have no transcendent rights whatsoever. Moreover, there are no reasons to view morality in a transcendent objective manner. Nothing is right or wrong, only opinions exist.

 

[bhsmte]

Is it possible for personhood to begin at conception?

Make your case.

How does what you have at conception, resemble a person?

 

[PapaZoom]

Make your case.

How does what you have at conception, resemble a person?

How does responding to my question with a question answer my question (that wasn't directed at you). I didn't make a claim, I asked a question. Do you have an answer?

 

[bhsmte]

How does responding to my question with a question answer my question (that wasn't directed at you). I didn't make a claim, I asked a question. Do you have an answer?

Yes.

At conception and for a while after, you do not have anything remotely resembling a person. No heart beat, no brain, no form of a human body and I could go on.

 

[PapaZoom]

Yes.

At conception and for a while after, you do not have anything remotely resembling a person. No heart beat, no brain, no form of a human body and I could go on.

How are you certain that those qualities define personhood?

 

[bhsmte]

How are you certain that those qualities define personhood?

I can't envision a person, without a brain or heart.

But that is just me.

 

[PapaZoom]

I can't envision a person, without a brain or heart.

But that is just me.

So then you don't know.

 

[Chriliman]

Really? So you believe bubonic plague, polio, smallpox, whooping cough, etc "should reasonably be considered good" because they are natural? Can't wait to see the tap dancing around this one.

Are you comparing these to pregnancy?

Those things are reasonably not good.

 

[Belk]

You are right to say that without God you have no right to exist. If God doesn't exist, we have no transcendent rights whatsoever. Moreover, there are no reasons to view morality in a transcendent objective manner. Nothing is right or wrong, only opinions exist.

I fail to see how there being a God changes any of this.

 

[Belk]

So then you don't know.

Personally I define it as a Human person that is capable of self awareness. However looking at both the legal and dictionary definition it is not a well defined concept. Please, do continue.

 

[PapaZoom]

I fail to see how there being a God changes any of this.

If we are living in a godless purposeless universe, where would transcendent truths come from?

 

[PapaZoom]

Personally I define it as a Human person that is capable of self awareness. However looking at both the legal and dictionary definition it is not a well defined concept. Please, do continue.

I'm still getting an "I really don't know" answer from you. So I'm wondering how you can justify killing something that may be a person but you aren't sure. You can't just make up a definition and call it good.

 

[bhsmte]

Are you comparing these to pregnancy?

Those things are reasonably not good.

No, he is stating they happen naturally, like earthquakes, tornadoes, disease, etc etc.

You stated all things natural should be viewed as good, correct?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Go tell a terminal cancer patient they have a "right to exist". There is no such thing.

Sorry belk but you need to take some intelligence pills....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yes.

At conception and for a while after, you do not have anything remotely resembling a person. No heart beat, no brain, no form of a human body and I could go on.

and you could go on with what medical evidence?

 

[bhsmte]

and you could go on with what medical evidence?

You don't think medical science has knowledge of when the fetus develops a brain, a heart beat, limbs and the ability to feel pain?