If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[bugkiller]

Yes they are, so deleting everything that says "to the house of Israel" as if no gentile can be included - simply does not work in the actual Bible, because believing gentiles are often included in those same promises when it comes to worship and eternal life.

Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.

Gentiles aren't included in the OC.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Bob study the bible maybe you'll learn something, and have something to share, I study it 2 to 4 hours a day, and have been studying 34 years.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

 

[BobRyan]

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Bob study the bible

This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.

 

[BobRyan]

Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.

Gentiles aren't included in the OC.

bugkiller

"The GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7.
"WE have had the Gospel preached to us just as THEY also" Heb 4:1-2
"They all drank from the same Spiritual Rock - and that Rock was CHRIST" 1Cor 10:4
Moses and Elijah stand with CHRIST in Matt 17.
And then of course -- Hebrews 11.

 

[BobRyan]

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Why do you keep the Sabbath and not the Lord's Day?

Your own Catholic Catechism - commentary says it is I who keep both the Lord's Day AND the Sabbath according to the Bible -- and you do not. It is your own text saying it.!!



The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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In "real life" we have this



1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


=========================And this --


The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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Some would argue that such catholic documents should be ignored as if they express protestant views not catholic ones.

But the flaw in logic in such desperate efforts - is more than a little transparent

As for why the RCC commentary on the Catechism may need to take another look at the Bible --

GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture
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The Law of Moses (the Sabbath observances for the Israelites and the approx. 600 commandments contained in statutes and ordinances) was not Yehovah's Law for God's people before the time of Moses.

Your own Pope John Paul II admits that the Sabbath commandment is for all mankind as are all the TEN commandments -- in his document "Dies Domini".

More Catholic argument - less free-lancing ... if you are going to present the Catholic POV.

 

[BobRyan]

The circumcision laws and the Sabbath laws and its ordinances are not valid now for God's people, the followers of Jesus Christ. Luke 16:16

Does not mean what you have written into it.

Luke 16 - "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead"

Cornelius knew God even though he was not a Jew.

Because as we see in Acts 13, and in Acts 17:4 and in Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" - the god-fearing gentile believers were in synagogues - thus even in these examples hearing Gospel sermons ... "every Sabbath".

He did not follow the Sabbath

So then you "quote you" for that doctrine but as I just shows in Acts 18, Acts 17, Acts 13 the bible clearly refutes that speculation you offer.

Acts 15:22-29
The Jerusalem Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers

22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsab′bas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, 23 with the following letter: “The brethren, both the apostles and the elders, to the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cili′cia, greeting. 24 Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.” rsv


The Holy Spirit and the apostles require only the following things from the Law of Moses for the Gentile believers:

1. abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols
2. abstain from blood and from what is strangled
3. abstain from unchastity

Sadly that excludes Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
It excludes Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart".

It excludes Eph 6:2 "Honor your parents" - from Ex 20:12.
It excludes "Do not take God's name in vain" from Ex 20:7.

Fortunately both your "Dies Domini" document from Pope John Paul II and your own Catechism flatly deny the wild speculation that the TEN Commandments are NOT for mankind.

What is the Moral Law that is required for all people to keep if they desire to inherit/enter into eternal life?

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” nkjv

You just contradicted your own teaching when you claimed that only the rules found in Acts 15 apply to all.

Please choose the Bible. Or at the very least -- choose what your own church says about the Ten Commandments.

 

[disciple1]

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.

Jesus spoke in parables and it takes many years to understand the bible, I don't see how you can preach the law when you don't obey it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And the law is a heavy burden, so I don't think you know what your talking about.
Romans chapter 4
2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[b]

9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before!

 

[disciple1]

Does not mean what you have written into it.

Luke 16 - "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead"



Because as we see in Acts 13, and in Acts 17:4 and in Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" - the god-fearing gentile believers were in synagogues - thus even in these examples hearing Gospel sermons ... "every Sabbath".



So then you "quote you" for that doctrine but as I just shows in Acts 18, Acts 17, Acts 13 the bible clearly refutes that speculation you offer.




Sadly that excludes Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
It excludes Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart".

It excludes Eph 6:2 "Honor your parents" - from Ex 20:12.
It excludes "Do not take God's name in vain" from Ex 20:7.

Fortunately both your "Dies Domini" document from Pope John Paul II and your own Catechism flatly deny the wild speculation that the TEN Commandments are NOT for mankind.





You just contradicted your own teaching when you claimed that only the rules found in Acts 15 apply to all.

Please choose the Bible. Or at the very least -- choose what your own church says about the Ten Commandments.

Since you don't obey the law I think your a false teacher about Christ.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.

Please choose the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Bob study the bible

This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.

Jesus spoke in parables and it takes many years to understand the bible,

Do you see any "dark speech" or "parables" in what was just quoted?

I don't see how you can preach the law when you don't obey it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And the law is a heavy burden, so I don't think you know what your talking about.

When you "quote you" then use your own words as "scripture" you follow the dark-ages model.
Let's contrast your "quote of you" with the actual Bible.

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[BobRyan]

Since you don't obey the law I think your a false teacher about Christ.

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

Rev 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. 12 For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”

Rev 13
And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” 5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

 

[bugkiller]

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.

Using, well abusing the Bible certainly.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

"The GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7.
"WE have had the Gospel preached to us just as THEY also" Heb 4:1-2
"They all drank from the same Spiritual Rock - and that Rock was CHRIST" 1Cor 10:4
Moses and Elijah stand with CHRIST in Matt 17.
And then of course -- Hebrews 11.

What Gospel was preached to Abraham? When?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Does not mean what you have written into it.

Luke 16 - "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead"



Because as we see in Acts 13, and in Acts 17:4 and in Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" - the god-fearing gentile believers were in synagogues - thus even in these examples hearing Gospel sermons ... "every Sabbath".

You must not be a God fearer.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.

Gentiles aren't included in the OC.

bugkiller

"The GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7.
"WE have had the Gospel preached to us just as THEY also" Heb 4:1-2
"They all drank from the same Spiritual Rock - and that Rock was CHRIST" 1Cor 10:4
Moses and Elijah stand with CHRIST in Matt 17.
And then of course -- Hebrews 11.

What Gospel was preached to Abraham? When?
bugkiller

Gal 1:6-9 says there is only ONE Gospel -- before saying that it was preached to Abraham in Gal 3:7.

Have you not heard of it??

 

[BobRyan]

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Bob study the bible

This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.

Using, well abusing the Bible certainly.

bugkiller

you may do that if you wish.

I prefer the actual Bible.

 

[disciple1]

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2



This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.



Do you see any "dark speech" or "parables" in what was just quoted?



When you "quote you" then use your own words as "scripture" you follow the dark-ages model.
Let's contrast your "quote of you" with the actual Bible.

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Micah chapter 6
8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly[a] with your God.

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

You don't keep the commandments.
Study the bible maybe you'll have something to share, maybe even some truth.

 

[Travis93]

Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.
Job 19:25-27 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Gentiles aren't included in the OC.

If you mean as a religious distinction, no, but similarly you could say unbelievers aren't in the new covenant. Ethnic gentiles certainly could be included. There was a mixed multitude that came out of Egypt with the Israelites (Exodus 12:38).
Joshua 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all of the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant.
Isaiah 56:6-7 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
And of course the famous converts like Rahab (Joshua 2:9-11) and Ruth (Ruth 1:16), who got to be included in the genealogy of the messiah (Matthew 1:5). The book of Jonah details the salvation of the entire gentile city of Niveveh, confirmed by Jesus (Matthew 12:41). Even the queen of Sheba apparently got saved by coming to seek the wisdom of Solomon (Matthew 14:42, 1 Kings 10:1-13).

 

[Jan001]

Your own Catholic Catechism - commentary says it is I who keep both the Lord's Day AND the Sabbath according to the Bible -- and you do not. It is your own text saying it.!!



The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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As for why the RCC commentary on the Catechism may need to take another look at the Bible --

GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture
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Your own Pope John Paul II admits that the Sabbath commandment is for all mankind as are all the TEN commandments -- in his document "Dies Domini".

More Catholic argument - less free-lancing ... if you are going to present the Catholic POV.

The Sabbath was an Israelite / Jewish law. It was never, ever a Gentile law. I am not a Jew. I do not observe the Sabbath. I did not become a Jew when I became a Christian. The Sabbath Law does not apply to me.

Pope John Paul observed the Catholic Ten Commandments. Please note that there is no Sabbath commandment for Catholic Christians.

Catholic Commentaries are simply the editors' opinions. Commentaries made by Catholics do not necessarily reflect infallible Catholic doctrine.

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath was an Israelite / Jewish law. It was never, ever a Gentile law.

Not according to the actual Bible "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
Not according to Christ "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
Not according to Hebrews 4 "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God"

Not according to your own Pope John Paul II - in Dies Domini who admits that the Sabbath is not at all limited to "just literal Jews".

Not according to your own CCC which states that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are still binding on all mankind.

Not according to the NEW Covenant "made with the House of ISRAEL" where "God writes His LAW on the heart and mind" and it is "unchanged" even in the NT Hebrews 8:6-10 quote of it.

Pope John Paul observed the Catholic Ten Commandments.

Catholics writing their own bible? with their own Ten Commandments???


Clearly you did not read Dies Domini.


63. Christ came to accomplish a new "exodus", to restore freedom to the oppressed. He performed many healings on the Sabbath (cf. Mt 12:9-14 and parallels), certainly not to violate the Lord's Day, but to reveal its full meaning: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mk 2:27). Opposing the excessively legalistic interpretation of some of his contemporaries, and developing the true meaning of the biblical Sabbath, Jesus, as "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mk 2:28), restores to the Sabbath observance its liberating character, carefully safeguarding the rights of God and the rights of man. This is why Christians, called as they are to proclaim the liberation won by the blood of Christ, felt that they had the authority to transfer the meaning of the Sabbath to the day of the Resurrection.


"God blessed the seventh day and made it holy" (Gn 2:3)

13. The Sabbath precept, which in the first Covenant prepares for the Sunday of the new and eternal Covenant, is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why, unlike many other precepts, it is set not within the context of strictly cultic(Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue, the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of the moral life inscribed on the human heart. In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the Church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship with God, announced and expounded by biblical revelation. This is the perspective within which Christians need to rediscover this precept today. Although the precept may merge naturally with the human need for rest, it is faith alone which gives access to its deeper meaning and ensures that it will not become banal and trivialized.


(the deny-all solution you are trying is not the grand solution you may have at first supposed it to be.)

 

[BobRyan]

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller

Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --

"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Bob study the bible

This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.

No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.

Jesus spoke in parables and it takes many years to understand the bible,

Do you see any "dark speech" or "parables" in what was just quoted?

I don't see how you can preach the law when you don't obey it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And the law is a heavy burden, so I don't think you know what your talking about.

When you "quote you" then use your own words as "scripture" you follow the dark-ages model.
Let's contrast your "quote of you" with the actual Bible.

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Micah chapter 6
8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly[a] with your God.

You don't keep the commandments.
Study the bible maybe you'll have something to share, maybe even some truth.

And you think Micah was writing to inform people that all of then-known scripture had just been deleted???