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And is that enough? According to the Word of God?
I like the passage you bring up but look a bit closer at it and tell me what it says about the OSAS topic....John 17...there are two important things that apply to the topic at hand...1. Jesus is asking that He would not loss any....if it were not possible for Him to loss any why would He ask God to not allow Him to loss them? 2. look at verse 12 None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.Jesus will lose none the Father has given him.
My mind is getting stuck between Calvinism (God's doing) and Arminianism (Man's responsibility).
Lean not on my own understanding.
the guarantee is the HS shall I post the passages?
and the HS is the guarantee of salvation...iows if we see the working of the HS in our lives we are guaranteed of our salvation, no guessing, no blind faith...a deposit...a guarantee...assurance.I received the HS by Faith in Him.
You receive by faith but the discussion is about assurance not about receiving.I received the HS by Faith in Him.
Interesting.exactly...we would die a spiritual death
You have to use the Word of God to determine whether you are saved or not.God is my judge and my craftsman, the pottery He forms me to be, I'll be.
I don't use the Word of God to determine if someone else is saved or not as I cant judge if it is going to rain tomorrow or not.
Jesus said to Peter regarding John "what is it to you? you follow me"
I see the evidence of His work in me by His Word.
You have to use the Word of God to determine whether you are saved or not.
We can't know, unless the Lord would tell us.Yes and I am, but I cant make that judgment of others and I'm not sure if we are to know of others status until Judgment.
But He does tell us to test the fruit, to see whether the tree is good. We can tell if a person is following Christ or not, by looking at their behavior. And we can tell if their faith is according to Scripture, by hearing their words.
That is not the way to think. That is the devils way of thinking. The God I know has no such a thing as No salvation. It has salvation all around.I recently came across this quote from John MacArthur. I don't love everything from him (see footnotes on dispensationalism), but I thought that this hit the nail on the head.
It's the simplest and best argument for OSAS (aside from its overwhelming Scriptural evidence) that I can think of.
How can anyone who is truly saved deny this? If you truly know the power of God and the depths of your own sin, how can you deny this?
You'd have to say something like:
"Well I wouldn't lose my salvation because I'm determined!" or
"I wouldn't lose my salvation because I'm smart!",
"I had a good upbringing!",
"I'm stronger than most!"
Isn't it much better to say:
"If I am saved at all it is because the marvelous strength and grace of God which he continually supplies me"?
To say that you can lose your salvation (as if some part of it depends on you), and then to hope that you won't lose your salvation (because, after all, you're pretty serious about God) is the height of arrogance!
The possibility of losing salvation is not implying an inevitability to lose it exists. If you are saved, baptized, and a member of the Church, but then convert to another religion 20 years later and kill Christians you are no longer saved. There are many people who are saved early in their life but later reject God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ. The renounce everything. They are no longer saved. If OSAS was the case, then it encourages a "one and done" attitude, that once you are saved you can never lose that salvation, and thus can do whatever, regardless of its sinfulness. Perhaps I misunderstand the thinking, but to me it seems like OSAS is not a good way of going about salvation. The Bible is clear that the path to salvation requires both parties, God and man, to consent. Those who believe Christ is the savior and attempt to lead a righteous life are saved as a result of God's grace. However, God would not grant his grace to a person who was once saved then turned away and no longer met any of the requirements for salvation on their part. Is there any Biblical evidence to suggest OSAS is the case?
That was Judas. That was a specfic situation where Christ explained that Judas was not one of His.I like the passage you bring up but look a bit closer at it and tell me what it says about the OSAS topic....John 17...there are two important things that apply to the topic at hand...1. Jesus is asking that He would not loss any....if it were not possible for Him to loss any why would He ask God to not allow Him to loss them? 2. look at verse 12 None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
One was lost...so either this passage does not apply to the OP question or it shows that we can fall away.
And is that enough? According to the Word of God?
I recently came across this quote from John MacArthur. I don't love everything from him (see footnotes on dispensationalism), but I thought that this hit the nail on the head.
It's the simplest and best argument for OSAS (aside from its overwhelming Scriptural evidence) that I can think of.
How can anyone who is truly saved deny this? If you truly know the power of God and the depths of your own sin, how can you deny this?
You'd have to say something like:
"Well I wouldn't lose my salvation because I'm determined!" or
"I wouldn't lose my salvation because I'm smart!",
"I had a good upbringing!",
"I'm stronger than most!"
Isn't it much better to say:
"If I am saved at all it is because the marvelous strength and grace of God which he continually supplies me"?
To say that you can lose your salvation (as if some part of it depends on you), and then to hope that you won't lose your salvation (because, after all, you're pretty serious about God) is the height of arrogance!
What about repentance? And following God's commandments?Paul says it is enough.Put your faith in the saving Gospel found in 1cor15:1-4 and don’t pervert it by adding to it and you will be saved.When you stand before God,Paul says that belief in his Gospel is what you will be judged by.
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