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If I believe that Jesus died for my sins and rose again am I permanently saved?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Rasmus2, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Rasmus2

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    Sorry for creating a duplicated thread (I need a quick answer)
    And are we to trust Paul's gospel?
    Is salvation permanent?
     
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  2. psalms 91

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    Not if you read all the New testament it isnt. We are commanded to do certain things all throughout and it says that those who love me will obey me. What about those that dont, I think there is a place where it talks about outer darkness for thiose that Jesus says He never knew. Today there are to many that profess to be Christian yet have no personal relationship with Jesus. Most clainm that God doesnt speak, that they dont hear. If you cant hear then how can you be led?
     
  3. TaylorSexton

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    One is saved by grace alone through faith alone, completely apart from works, yet genuine faith will produce obedience (James 2:14 ff.). This salvation is eternal, because no one can snatch us from Christ's hand (John 10:28), and all those who are predestined, called, and justified will be glorified without fail (Romans 8:30).
     
  4. smithed64

    smithed64 To Die is gain, To Live is Christ

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    You can believe, yes.
    But there's more to it than just believing...Here is what the bible says about just believing.

    James 2:19

    19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that, and shudder!

    I thought that as long as I believed in God and tried to live a good life, I would go to heaven when I died. I was so wrong. Jesus said that if I as much as looked with lust, I had committed adultery in my heart, and that there was nothing I could do to wash away my sins. I knew that if God judged me by the Ten Commandments on Judgment Day, I would end up guilty, and go to hell."

    "It was when I acknowledged my sins that I began to understand why Jesus died. It was to take the punishment for my sins, and the sins of the world.

    How do you think you will do on Judgment Day, if God judges you by the Ten Commandments?
     
  5. rockytopva

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    Behold the way to the temple of God...

    1. Outer Gates - Justification by faith
    2. Altar - Salvation through Christ
    3. Laver - Sanctification
    4. Table of Shewbread - Word of God
    5. Lampstand - Correct Christian character
    6. Altar of Golden Incense - Prayer and praise
    7. Holy of Holies- The Shekinah Glory - Baptism in the Holy Ghost

    I would press my way in further into the things of the Kingdom of Heaven
    [​IMG]

     
  6. angelkiss

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    Believing alone, will not keep you saved. When we are saved, we have the Spirit that dwells within us. When we remain obedient to God's word and live our lives accordingly, that Spirit stays within us. However, our own iniquities can cause us to fall from grace. When we willfully sin, we have an advocate with the Father and it is important to seek forgiveness. It is up to us whether or not salvation is permanent. Each day, we are given a choice of whom we will serve, but we cannot serve both God and Satan and see heaven.
     
  7. St_Worm2

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    Hi Rasmus2, I'm not sure what "Paul's Gospel" is, but here's a few things that Jesus has to say about this subject:

    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. ~John 3

    18 “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ~John 3

    24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. ~John 5

    31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name. ~John 20

    13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. ~1 John 5:13

    Taylor and Ed are both correct. Please take note of the Calvin quote in my signature line below (which is simply James 2:24 stated somewhat differently). It is a frightening thing to be sure, but as Ed mentioned, there is a kind of faith which does not save (i.e. James 2:19; Matthew 7:22-23).

    We are "saved" or "justified" by God at a moment in time (i.e. John 5:24), but if there is no perceivable change in the person claiming to have become a Christian (IOW, if they continue on in the sinful lifestyle they were leading prior to making that claim .. or if they quickly return to it), then it is a sure bet that their "claim" is nothing more than that :eek:

    We are (as Taylor already mentioned) saved by grace alone, through faith alone, APART from works of any kind (Ephesians 2:8-9), but Ephesians 2:10 then tells us that we were saved for the purpose of doing good works :) Just to be perfectly clear, good works, holy living, and the desire to obey and please God are the RESULT of being saved, NOT the cause!

    If we have truly been "born again" (John 3:3) we will, as a result, come to SAVING faith "in Christ" (IOW, there is also a kind of faith that "saves" :amen: .. which involves "trust"). The evidence for saving faith (how our "claim" of being a Christian is justified/demonstrated .. to others AND to ourselves), can only be seen in how we live, and by what we do, say and think.

    I was baptized as an infant and was confirmed and raised in the church. Because of that, I never doubted that I was a Christian, that is, until I actually became one at age 30. That's when EVERYTHING changed. He made me into a completely "new creature" in His Son (2 Corinthians 5:17) and my life reflected that change (and it still does 30 years later I am happy to report :)).

    From the moment I first believed, the desire to "please" God became the central focus of my daily life (perhaps because I realized how much I had displeased Him up until that point), and it has remained the central focus of my life ever since. Don't get me wrong, I fail miserably at pleasing Him at times because, while I am saved, I remain a fallen being :( The good news is, God loves me and still forgives me when I do sin (1 John 1:9).

    BTW, I have found this trait (the overwhelming desire to please God in all we do, say, and think) to be perhaps the most common trait of all among true Christians, so I certainly believe that it should be one of the "tests" that determines whether or not one is in the faith (i.e. 2 Corinthians 13:5).

    Yours in Christ,
    David
     
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  8. ToBeLoved

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    But how can anyone who has come to Christ in faith and been given the Holy Spirit, God Himself be someone Christ never knew? I mean using your logic it can be said that no Christian knows Christ. Also God's Word says that the gifts of God are irrevocable. Isn't grace and salvation a gift? And can a gift be lost?

    I NEVER knew you, that's what it says. NEVER.

    How does that make sense?
     
  9. ToBeLoved

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    I agree with everything you said except this idea that there are two kinds of faith, one that saves and one that does not.

    Christ says 'by faith'. So there can not be two types of faith. There can only be those with faith and without faith.

    Jesus will make the determination who has exhibited true faith and belief in Him and who He never knew, but I don't think we can define that as two different types of faith. Unless you have verses that say otherwise.

    Besides that, great post.
     
  10. ToBeLoved

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    The New Covenant between each one of us and God, through faith is sealed with the Holy Spirit. That is the seal of the New Covenant and God's Word has never spoken about removing the indwelling Holy Spirit from any New Covenant person. The Holy Spirit is the down payment, per se on our inheritance in Jesus Christ as co-heirs of the Father

    Now, in the Old Covenant they did not receive the indwelling Holy SPirit, yet many of the patriarch's did have the Holy Spirit with them at times but it was never forever.

    Ephesians 1:13

    13 And in Him you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, having heard and believed the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. 14 The Spirit is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.

    Romans 8:16

    16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

    Romans 8:16-18
    16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. 18 I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us

    2 Corinthians 1:22
    21 Now it is God who establishes both us and you in Christ. He anointed us, 22 placed His seal on us, and put His Spirit in our hearts as a pledge of what is to come.

    Romans 11:29
    29 For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
     
  11. CodyFaith

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    If you believe then yes you are saved.

    People like to complicate the gospel. But that's what the gospel is, that Jesus paid for your sins by his death on the cross and offers salvation to those who believe in him.
     
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  13. St_Worm2

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    Hi Sister :wave:

    There are many kinds of faith, even in the Bible. As a quick example of a kind of faith that does not save, read James 2:19 (where we see that not only do demons believe in God, they shudder because of it .. but that kind of faith in God, which some have called "demon faith", cannot save them). In fact, while James 2:14-26 is quite specific about what a "dead" faith looks like, the entire Epistle of St. James concerns itself with the aspects of a "living" faith (which saves), and a "dead" faith (which does not). James 2:14 points out pretty clearly that there are at least two different kinds of faith (in fact, I believe this is the principle verse that we get the slogan "saving faith" from):

    I hope that explains it. If not, just let me know and I'll try again :)

    Yours and His,
    David
     
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  14. St_Worm2

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    Hi AK, the Lord is clear that once someone is truly saved/has come to possess "saving faith", they will never be lost. For instance:

    37 “ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
    38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
    39 “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day.
    40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

    44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. ~John 6

    27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
    28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. ~John 10

    John 5:24 indicates that Christians come into possession of "eternal* life" from the moment we first believe. And the Lord goes on to qualify that statement by telling us that we will not be "condemned" (or even stand) in the "Judgment" (Great White Throne) with the reprobate, because we have ALREADY "passed from death to life" :amen:

    *Please note that αἰώνιος [aionios] ALWAYS means "eternal", "everlasting", "once and forever", "never ceasing", "without beginning", "without end", etc. (it never means "probationary" or "temporal" life :preach:).
    None of the "good works/holy living" we do can save us, nor can the doing of these things keep us saved, but if such things do no characterize the life of someone who claims to be a believer, then chances are very good that they never became a believer to begin with.

    Yours and His,
    David



    "He is able also to save forever those who draw near
    to God through Him, since He always lives
    to make intercession for them"

    Hebrews 7:25
     
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  15. angelkiss

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    Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
    Hebrews 12:15

    But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:22

    He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

    But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. Colossians 3:25

    Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Ephesians 4:26

    They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
    And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring forth no fruit to perfection.
    But they that are on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:13-15

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; I Timothy 4:1

    But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Hebrews 3:13

    For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who have trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth to me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
    Hebrews 10: 26-31


    I fell from grace several years ago. I went against the spirit and kept doing little things that I didn't think were that big of a deal at the time. One thing lead to another and next thing, I was back out in the same world I had stepped away from. Basically, I was the one that fell among the thorns. I also was one of the most miserable people so full of regret, I didn't know which end was up.
    I have also witnessed people that were saved since before I was born, step away from their faith and turn to the worldy ways.
    I personally, feel that if I say something to offend someone and don't make it right, I will fall short of heaven. Hence, why we must make sure that we don't let the sun go down upon our wrath.
    God forgets all the sins from our past, however, we are judged on what we say and do from the moment we become saved. When we err, it is important to make things right with God and not let it go. I personally, don't want to stand before God on judgement day and be turned away because of something small that I neglected to make right.
    We can't lose our salvation if we hold fast to our faith and stay in God's grace. It is when we go outside of God's grace that our salvation is put to risk.
     
  16. psalms 91

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    If you believe this then reconcile Hebrews Chapter 6 with that
     
  17. JacksBratt

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    You can rest assured that once you have accepted that you are a sinner, confessed this with your mouth to God, asked Christ for forgiveness and accepted His gift of salvation, given your life to Him and use Christ as your compass on your walk in this life............You are saved and have eternal life.

    You can do nothing in your human power to save your soul.

    You are saved because of what Christ did.

    It is a free gift.

    How can you do something to lose something that you can do nothing to earn.

    Once you have become a child of God, through salvation in Christ, you are saved and saved forever.

    John 10:27-42st Century King James Version (KJ21)
    27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them and they follow Me.


    28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.


    29 My Father, who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father’s hand.


    Now, stop worrying and serve your Lord and savior. Stop letting the devil put doubts in your mind.

    The fact that you are worried about your salvation is one strong point that 1/ you are saved and 2/ Satan is innerspring deception in your ear to cause doubt.
     
  18. Neostarwcc

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    I have good news for you OP. The bible happens to say over and over again that the ONLY requirement to be saved is to believe in Jesus. (John 3:16), (John 6:40), (John 5:24), (John 20:31), (John 5:13), (Romans 10:9), (Luke 8:12), (John 1:12), (John 6:29), (John 7:39), (John 8:24), (John 10:26), (John 12:36), (John 17:20), (John 20:31), (Acts 16:31), (Acts 19:4), (Romans 3:22), (Romans 4:24), (Romans 10:9) (Galatians 3:22) ... need I go on? There are dozens of more verses.

    If you believe that Jesus is the son of God, that he died for your sins and was raised from the dead the third day according to the scriptures and rest in that belief YOU ARE SAVED. Period. And NOBODY can take that salvation away, you are sealed for eternity. And don't let anyone tell you anything differently. Salvation has nothing to do with living the Christian lifestyle or changing your sinful habits despite what people want you to believe. These things come AFTER you are saved and have nothing to do with your salvation you do them BECAUSE you are saved. It also has nothing to do with living a sinless life like I once believed. I challenge anyone to show me where it says in scripture that there is another requirement besides belief in Jesus Christ to be saved and don't say it's James 2:19 because, that does NOT say that there is another requirement besides belief in Jesus to get saved and so many people take that verse WAY out of context! I repeat the ONLY requirement for salvation is to believe in Jesus Christ! Period. Like Jesus said in Matthew 7:14 the way is narrow and that's because it's the most narrow path possible. The ONLY way to heaven is belief in Jesus Christ.
     
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  19. psalms 91

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    Once again please explain Hebrews 6, who are these that have once tasted the gift? Are they not those who were saved?
     
  20. Theo Book

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    He that believeth and is baptized is permanently saved?

    Nah!

    He that believeth and is baptized SHALL BE saved.(Acts 2:38)

    The saved are to present their bodies a living sacrifice, DAILY.

    We are a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

    We are to strive toward perfection.

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Salvation is not a license to sin. Neither is it lost to us when we try and fail. THAT is when we must take a long hard look at the "Self" of self, face what we truly are, and seek forgiveness through repentance and prayer, and try again.

    No one ever went to Hell for sinning. They go to Hell for quitting trying.
     
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