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If God is Everywhere Why Does He Need Angels?

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Where does it say: "God needs angels"?
Do Angels need God?
As Christians it is our privilege and honor to allow God to work through us.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Why the war, and what are they fighting over?

Zechariah 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

Go forth where? What is their task?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Why are they presenting themselves?
 
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Need, desire, want... different things. I can go home and make brownies, doesn't mean I need them.

If you want to build a new house, do you not need strong foundation?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
 
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God is "needy"? He is "lacking"?

Thank you kindly.

2 Chronicles 6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

Why does God want us to build him a house?
 
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You tell me. Evidently he needs some things or nothing would have been created.

WOW!!!

God’s totally unselfish Love would have “forced”/compelled Him to create beings that He could shower with unbelievable gifts for the “sake” of those individuals that would be willing to just accept those charitable gifts.

God did not “create” out of some “need” God had.
 
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Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Why the war, and what are they fighting over?
First off you see mere angels defeated satan and God did not have to get involved directly.

This was all done for our (willing individuals) benefit.



Zechariah 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

Go forth where? What is their task?
North, east, south and west. (this is poetic figurative language and not to be taken literally). They are carrying good news to the scattered Jews.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Why are they presenting themselves?
Would you not like to present yourself before God? “Present” can mean “offer” so they are offering to serve God.

Satan actually has “purpose”.
 
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Do you believe satan has a lot of power? Do you believe his and Gods armies fight?
They already fought and satan lost.

Satan does have lots of “power” especially compared to humans, but we can call on God/Jesus to drive satan away.


Does God need his armies, or did he create them in vain?
Christians are in God’s “army” right now “fighting the Good fight”. We want to have a part to play, but God does not “need” us.
 
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So he puts all these angels through the wringer for no reason since he could have just done it himself? I dont understand that.

The four angels are the forces which hold the whole universe up. They are the foundations of this creation. Read and understand Ezekiel and Revelation about the four beasts and the firmament.

Our purpose is to defeat Gods enemy ( at least do our part). Why is that?
 
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
God is "needy"? He is "lacking"?

Thank you kindly.

2 Chronicles 6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

Why does God want us to build him a house?

Where does it say in the verse above that God "needs" a house? In addition, this part of the verse is most interesting:

seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him?

In addition:

Can He be "contained"?

Thank you kindly?
 
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If God has direct control of all things known and unknown, why then does he need angels to carry out his tasks?
No man hath seen God and if they were to see Him that would void "faith" which is hope not yet seen, so, anyone would believe if they had physical proof. We are not to whom the inheritance was promised but since the Hebrews broke the Covenant, we are allowed to be invited to the "Great Supper" through FAITH..

God intervenes with Angels, when necessary, to carry out His commands and purposes
.Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

2Sa 24:16 And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.

2Ki 19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
 
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If God has direct control of all things known and unknown, why then does he need angels to carry out his tasks?

In a simple analogy:

God is the operating system of the computer and angels are the programs or applications.


There's a highly logical and ordered structure in the "spiritual realm" which religious authorities don't understand themselves.


One thing we are forgetting are the purpose of the saints which is to serve as the eyes of these "angels".

THe purpose of "witnesses" as in the witnesses of Revelations are not to share whatever hidden knowledge they've witnessed but to serve as witnesses of man's activities for angels so they can carry out judgements for example.

In such manner, witnesses may appear to direct the wrath of nature as they please.
 
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So he puts all these angels through the wringer for no reason since he could have just done it himself? I dont understand that.

The four angels are the forces which hold the whole universe up. They are the foundations of this creation. Read and understand Ezekiel and Revelation about the four beasts and the firmament.

Our purpose is to defeat Gods enemy ( at least do our part). Why is that?

What “wringer” are you talking about?

If God is on your side His power is doing the real fighting and you are just there sharing in the His glory.

Ezekiel and Revelation have some very colorful poetic language that should not always be taken literally.

Where did you get the idea: “Our purpose is to defeat Gods enemy”. We at to attack satan at every turn, but satan has purpose and will continue to be around on this earth.
 
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