ICE protests held coast to coast as national movement grows after L.A. unrest

[ThatRobGuy]

A question people should ask themselves more regularly.

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What would Mister Rogers do?


Would now be a bad time to mention that he was a registered republican?

He went to great lengths to conceal his political positions on some of the more contentious issues (with the exception of matters of education and treatment of children, for which he was passionate)

...but "older guy who's registered republican; but is still willing to criticize them on some things" would lead me to believe he was more akin to the positions of someone like a George Will. (or perhaps a guy like Bill Weld)

 

[essentialsaltes]

Man accused of driving through crowd of protesters in Culpeper​

A man was arrested for reckless driving and is accused of intentionally driving into a group of people leaving a protest today, Culpeper police said.

A group named Culpeper Democrats on Facebook said it happened at their No Kings rally on James Madison Highway. Culpeper police confirmed the name of the protest.

The Culpeper Police Department said officers were monitoring the area as the protest ended when 21-year-old Joseph R. Checklick Jr. of Culpeper "intentionally" accelerated an SUV into the dispersing crowd.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

And I actually worry about that TBH. If a person's entire social life relies on the "bond" of "opposing Trump", what are those folks going to do for a social life when he's gone one day?

I'm sure they'll figure something out. Same as the people whose entire social life relies on the "bond" of "supporting Trump."

 

[RocksInMyHead]

What would Mister Rogers do?


Would now be a bad time to mention that he was a registered republican?

Republicans in the era of Fred Rogers (recall, he passed away in 2003) were a very different group than today's Republicans, so I'm not sure that his political registration is particularly relevant to this discussion.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I'm sure they'll figure something out. Same as the people whose entire social life relies on the "bond" of "supporting Trump."

I think that issue is lopsided towards the left, though....

Most of the people I know who are staunch supporters of Trump...their social circles were already in-tact prior to Trump being in office.
(typically through their Church, or neighbors, etc...)

It seems like that's more durable than a hodgepodge group of people who simply bonded over their mutual dislike of a specific politician. (but have little in common apart from that)

Jonathan Haidt recently wrote some pieces discussing how liberals actually struggle more with mental health than conservatives do. (He attributed it to a difference in a "sense of self-agency"


“Progressivism, with its emphasis on victimhood and vulnerability to impersonal forces … weakens the sense of agency and, frankly, contributes to depression and anxiety,” “As the political left re-evaluates its strategies on everything from abundance to identity, it should also consider adopting an ideology that empowers individuals, fosters an internal sense of control and doesn’t fuel emotional suffering.”

People who have a victim complex are more likely to feel like they "need" a social circle to survive. If a person's social circle is built on nothing more than a dislike of a person who's position is temporary, that's not going to be a great situation for them 4 year from now (unless their entire existence is going to be based on "opposing whoever the top republican is forever".

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I think that issue is lopsided towards the left, though....

Do you actually care though? Or is this just you taking another opportunity to dump on the left? I'm pretty there's a term for this sort of judgy pseudo-paternalistic "advice," but it's escaping me.

 

[FireDragon76]

What would Mister Rogers do?


Would now be a bad time to mention that he was a registered republican?

He went to great lengths to conceal his political positions on some of the more contentious issues (with the exception of matters of education and treatment of children, for which he was passionate)

...but "older guy who's registered republican; but is still willing to criticize them on some things" would lead me to believe he was more akin to the positions of someone like a George Will. (or perhaps a guy like Bill Weld)

Bill Weld would be the closest comparison but Rogers wouldn't easily fit into modern political discourse. His religious views weren't consistent with American Evangelicalismt, despite being a very devout Presbyterian, so he wasn't part of that wing of the Republican party. He favored policies of government support for public goods, so in that sense he had alot in common with liberal Republicans of the 1960-1980's. But liberal Republicans no longer really are a thing.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Do you actually care though? Or is this just you taking another opportunity to dump on the left? I'm pretty there's a term for this sort of judgy pseudo-paternalistic "advice," but it's escaping me.

No, it's an actual concern...lots of left-leaning folks in the my family.

And for a few of them that are on the younger side, Anti-Trumpism & getting on board with every left-leaning activist movement has been the nucleus of their social life for the majority of their adults lives. I'd prefer if they didn't end up depressed and aimless when "there's no more Trump to hate".

There is research to suggest that those types of relationships and social circles may not be as durable.

Per Psychology Today
If activism becomes isolated from other life-spheres or if an individual’s broader life changes (such as shifting priorities or identities), these relationships may be more vulnerable to dissolution compared to friendships built around a wider range of shared interests. In contrast, relationships grounded in shared interests—such as hobbies, sports, or professions—often benefit from the flexibility and variety of contexts in which those interests are pursued, potentially making such friendships more adaptable to life changes


There is also the phenomenon of what they call "reverse culture shock"... one of the common examples of that is "Post Burning Man Syndrome" (or as some call it "Post Playa Depression"

Where after a person immerses themselves so deeply (and myopically) in one particular ideological environment, there are coping issues when that finally ends.

I can see this being a longer-term version of that. If a person's social life and "friendships" has been entirely wrapped up in "opposing Trump", what happens when that common thread disappears?

Durkheim's theory of "collective effervescence" could explain some of it. That theory was originally applied to understanding peoples' connections to religion, but I could just as easily apply here.

Where if a person's entire social life is wrapped in that church social circle, that "sense of belonging to something" becomes more important than the stated reason for being there.

How that would apply to this situation, if a person felt a "feeling of belonging" by participating in some form of social activism, joining additional movements could be less about the new issue itself, and merely more about "getting that feeling back", and why we see the immediate "okay, now we need to elevate it to the next thing"

 

[BCP1928]

No, it's an actual concern...lots of left-leaning folks in the my family.

And for a few of them that are on the younger side, Anti-Trumpism & getting on board with every left-leaning activist movement has been the nucleus of their social life for the majority of their adults lives. I'd prefer if they didn't end up depressed and aimless when "there's no more Trump to hate".

There is research to suggest that those types of relationships and social circles may not be as durable.

Per Psychology Today
If activism becomes isolated from other life-spheres or if an individual’s broader life changes (such as shifting priorities or identities), these relationships may be more vulnerable to dissolution compared to friendships built around a wider range of shared interests. In contrast, relationships grounded in shared interests—such as hobbies, sports, or professions—often benefit from the flexibility and variety of contexts in which those interests are pursued, potentially making such friendships more adaptable to life changes


There is also the phenomenon of what they call "reverse culture shock"... one of the common examples of that is "Post Burning Man Syndrome" (or as some call it "Post Playa Depression"

Where after a person immerses themselves so deeply (and myopically) in one particular ideological environment, there are coping issues when that finally ends.

I can see this being a longer-term version of that. If a person's social life and "friendships" has been entirely wrapped up in "opposing Trump", what happens when that common thread disappears?

Durkheim's theory of "collective effervescence" could explain some of it. That theory was originally applied to understanding peoples' connections to religion, but I could just as easily apply here.

Where if a person's entire social life is wrapped in that church social circle, that "sense of belonging to something" becomes more important than the stated reason for being there.

How that would apply to this situation, if a person felt a "feeling of belonging" by participating in some form of social activism, joining additional movements could be less about the new issue itself, and merely more about "getting that feeling back", and why we see the immediate "okay, now we need to elevate it to the next thing"

Why do you need this monolithic left-wing conspiracy theory you're spinning?

 

[rambot]

What would Mister Rogers do?


Would now be a bad time to mention that he was a registered republican?

We can SEE that Mr Roger's was a wonderful man.

It's not beyond the realm of reason that people get judges by their actions and beliefs more than JUST a label you know..

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Why do you need this monolithic left-wing conspiracy theory you're spinning?

What does anything I've said have to do with a "conspiracy"?

I was using a sociological theory to explain a facet of human behavior.


If a person's social circle and sense of belonging is mostly tied to "X", then when "X" goes away, that would mean losing that sense of belonging, correct?

I feel that does explain why as soon as one activism movement fizzles out, some younger people immediately feel the need to jump on-board with whatever the next one is.

 

[rambot]

I think that issue is lopsided towards the left, though....

Most of the people I know who are staunch supporters of Trump...their social circles were already in-tact prior to Trump being in office.
(typically through their Church, or neighbors, etc...)

It seems like that's more durable than a hodgepodge group of people who simply bonded over their mutual dislike of a specific politician. (but have little in common apart from that)

Jonathan Haidt recently wrote some pieces discussing how liberals actually struggle more with mental health than conservatives do. (He attributed it to a difference in a "sense of self-agency"


“Progressivism, with its emphasis on victimhood and vulnerability to impersonal forces … weakens the sense of agency and, frankly, contributes to depression and anxiety,” “As the political left re-evaluates its strategies on everything from abundance to identity, it should also consider adopting an ideology that empowers individuals, fosters an internal sense of control and doesn’t fuel emotional suffering.”

People who have a victim complex are more likely to feel like they "need" a social circle to survive. If a person's social circle is built on nothing more than a dislike of a person who's position is temporary, that's not going to be a great situation for them 4 year from now (unless their entire existence is going to be based on "opposing whoever the top republican is forever".

I'm progressive and I dont feel a sense of vixtimhood whatsoever. There are people who are victims though.

It seems like thwres stereotyping going on here.

And I mean come on; are we supposed to sit here and pretend the political right doesn't act like they are victims?

 

[rambot]

I can see this being a longer-term version of that. If a person's social life and "friendships" has been entirely wrapped up in "opposing Trump", what happens when that common thread disappears

Entire life?

I'm not sure why you think you're centrist if you think this... it's a super tiny step away (or maybe even just a "moderator dodge") from a certain quack "mental health diagnoses" a certain senator wanted to get into thr dsm.

"Friendships and social life entirely wrapped".
What nonsense.

 

[BCP1928]

What does anything I've said have to do with a "conspiracy"?

I was using a sociological theory to explain a facet of human behavior.


If a person's social circle and sense of belonging is mostly tied to "X", then when "X" goes away, that would mean losing that sense of belonging, correct?

I feel that does explain why as soon as one activism movement fizzles out, some younger people immediately feel the need to jump on-board with whatever the next one is.

You seem to be looking for a "villain" behind everything you don't like about society, a villain who has duped people into being "left."

 

[essentialsaltes]

Wikipedia estimates put yesterday's No Kings protest as the second largest in US history following the inaugural Earth Day 55 years ago. Hands off in April is somewhere in the next tier 3-5.

 

[trophy33]

Wikipedia estimates put yesterday's No Kings protest as the second largest in US history following the inaugural Earth Day 55 years ago. Hands off in April is somewhere in the next tier 3-5.

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5 mil - 11 mil is quite a wild range, though.

 

[rjs330]

I'm progressive and I dont feel a sense of vixtimhood whatsoever. There are people who are victims though.

It seems like thwres stereotyping going on here.

And I mean come on; are we supposed to sit here and pretend the political right doesn't act like they are victims?

Much of progressivism is built on victimhood. While you aren't feeling like a victim your post immediately moves to victimhood.

I dont feel like a victim either. But the left thrives on that. Its a constant and consistent cry of one victim group after another. Its a very powerful mentality and provides a strong sense of community. It is strongly supported by those who are willing to tell every one of these groups, yeah you are a victim further supporting their psychological need to be seen as a victim.

 

[rjs330]

Illegal immigrants are the current victims for the left. Its the current oppressed group for them. The constant need to find victims and victimizors, oppressed and oppressors is what validates the lefts need to believe they have moral superiority.

And as we have seen they will welcome into their fold anyone and partner with anyone who wishes to claim victimhood. Including those who would kill them in any other circumstance.

 

[rambot]

Much of progressivism is built on victimhood. While you aren't feeling like a victim your post immediately moves to victimhood.

I don't think pointing out that ther are victims of unequal opportunity in the states makes ME a victim though.

Think it is worth nothing that there are actually people who the right wing has mistreated or neglected and while being called out on that may be uncomfortable, that doesn't make me a whiney petulant victim.

It's pointing out that these groups rarely to never have had any cultural or social power.

I dont feel like a victim either. But the left thrives on that. Its a constant and consistent cry of one victim group after another. Its a very powerful mentality and provides a strong sense of community. It is strongly supported by those who are willing to tell every one of these groups, yeah you are a victim further supporting their psychological need to be seen as a victim.

While I agree that a perpetual mindset of victimhood is downright poisonous, I'd argue to avoid our countryman falling prey to that, it would behoove us to listen to them and not speak falsely against them.

This would help their vixtim mindset right?

Example...calling transgender people groomers.
Given that they are not groomers (statistically anyways) how will that help transgender people NOT feel like a victim?

 

[rjs330]

I don't think pointing out that ther are victims of unequal opportunity in the states makes ME a victim though.

You aren't one. I acknowledged that you didn't feel like one. But you immediately start peddling victimhood (not for yourself).

Think it is worth nothing that there are actually people who the right wing has mistreated or neglected

No there aren't. I understand you aren't a victim, but you whine a lot about victimhood. Its what leftists do.

It's pointing out that these groups rarely to never have had any cultural or social power.

I dont know what so called groups you are talking about or what kind if power you want them to have.

While I agree that a perpetual mindset of victimhood is downright poisonous, I'd argue to avoid our countryman falling prey to that, it would behoove us to listen to them and not speak falsely against them.

No one is speaking falsely against the so called victims.

This would help their vixtim mindset right?

I dont think their victom mindset is going away regardless of what anyone does. I think they will always see people as victims.

Example...calling transgender people groomers.

There are transgender people who are groomers. Mostly on the social media platforms.

Get over the fact that there might be broad brushes. We all face that. We broad brush all the time. You do it, I do it everyone does it because we are trying to make a point.

I guess ICE agents are victims too with all the Nazi gestapo rhetoric being dumped on them. Oh yeah, they cant be victims becauae they have some sort of power. So when they are doxed, threatened and their families harassed thats no victim.