ICE protests held coast to coast as national movement grows after L.A. unrest

[rambot]

Do right wingers see left wingers as malcontents or as individuals who are protesting the problematic actions of the state?

 

[bèlla]

Almost like the whole country is made up of immigrants and families being directly impacted by this administration’s policies. The president who liked to brag “no new wars” is at war with his own country.

Whatever sympathy they might have evoked is out of the window given the mayhem in LA and protests in other areas. We’re sick of the violence, vandalism, and looting. Dropping debris on cars driving on the expressway? People could hurt because of their foolishness. I have no qualms about with the military being there. I’m not supporting anyone behaving like that. Citizen or not.

~bella

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Whatever sympathy they might have evoked is out of the window given the mayhem in LA and protests in other areas

How many people were involved in the "mayhem" relative to the total number of protestors? How much of that "mayhem" was actually part of the protests, and how much of it was it people taking advantage of the situation to cause trouble? If you don't have a clear answer for those questions, I'd suggest that it might be a good idea to back off the sweeping generalizations.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Whatever sympathy they might have evoked is out of the window given the mayhem in LA and protests in other areas. We’re sick of the violence, vandalism, and looting. Dropping debris on cars driving on the expressway? People could hurt because of their foolishness. I have no qualms about with the military being there. I’m not supporting anyone behaving like that. Citizen or not.

~bella

There you go. Focusing on a few trouble makers is much easier than accepting the ugly reality unfolding across the country. People are going to keep making noise no matter how much you hate to see it. And this time, there’s no election coming up to cut things short. It’s going to be a long 4 years with a president bent on waging war against his own people.

 

[bèlla]

How many people were involved in the "mayhem" relative to the total number of protestors? How much of that "mayhem" was actually part of the protests, and how much of it was it people taking advantage of the situation to cause trouble? If you don't have a clear answer for those questions, I'd suggest that it might be a good idea to back off the sweeping generalizations.

As we’ve witnessed over the years it often comes with the territory. If you choose to participate you’ll be lumped with the rest.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

There you go. Focusing on a few trouble makers is much easier than accepting the ugly reality unfolding across the country. People are going to keep making noise no matter how much you hate to see it. And this time, there’s no election coming up to cut things short. It’s going to be a long 4 years with a president bent on waging war against his own people.

I’ve lived through this before and will never support it. We were inundated with illegals and they were a blight on the area and no one wanted them here. If he goes to war against them to resolve the problem so be it.

~bella

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I’ve lived through this before and will never support it. We were inundated with illegals and they were a blight on the area and no one wanted them here. If he goes to war against them to resolve the problem so be it.

~bella

The things I’ve got to read on this “Christian” website…

Sheesh.

 

[Hentenza]

Do right wingers see left wingers as malcontents or as individuals who are protesting the problematic actions of the state?

I’m a center winger so I see both far left and far right as malcontents.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

As we’ve witnessed over the years it often comes with the territory. If you choose to participate you’ll be lumped with the rest.

~bella

That's an observation of the behavior of others, not an explanation for why you would choose to exhibit that same behavior.

"As we've witnessed, the lemmings frequently run off of cliffs. Therefore, I, too, must jump to my death."

 

[rambot]

I’m a center winger so I see both far left and far right as malcontents.

Well that's not fair. To some extent, everyone is malcontent.

 

[jacorian]

For those who are schooled on the law & our essential documents the US created this debacle largely because of access to cheap labor. I blame both parties for that. We talk of reform & in the eyes of some politicians that means amnesty. They cave in. Look every country has borders & laws for immigration. Most countries are very strict. We saw this with Otto & Britney G. when they arrived in N. Korea & Russia respectively. Central Americans represent a people whose govts are totally dysfunctional, communist in cases, & where cartels & para-militaries control the state. They are impoverished, non-skilled, & illiterate. The US has to stop being the basket of goodies for all the world's wishes. We get stereotyped into the idea that all citizens are wealthy & can support all the world. We can't. We are tapped out. We have a legal method for entry but as I said both parties don't mine cheap labor whether its for business or unions. It comes with a price. No income tax is contributed & neither is property tax & those are huge burdens on us. Illegals are able to dodge the E-verify system. Any money they earn tends to get sent back home. That is not fair to the rest of us who have to shell it back to the govt which then goes to waste it. Then we have the fentanyl problem & the other drugs. The US cannot seem to break its thirst for drugs. Then there is human trafficking & lots of severe violence. And in the last few years, these illegals were able to access benefits because lawmakers were worried that hospitals would folk from demand & non-payment. So they come for the freebies. But someone else is paying the bill. It's all to easy to feel sorry for people but I don't recall Christ calling the paralytic a taxi. He said pick up your pallet & go home. After cheap labor its about getting illegals into the voting booth. Such poor people will vote one way because of the goodies that they don't have to work for. That is why they are faciliated to come in. It is puzzling why so many people don't aspire to higher education & skills & would rather perform this menial labor. But it's like slicing up a pizza. The more mouths to feed, the thinner the slice. Americans & the naturalized citizens don't deserve this lack of representation from our govt. Those greedy people are not looking out for the sovereignty of the country; they are only interested in their own power. A non-educated electorate means no one can spot the fox in the henhouse. E-verify would be a good place to start as far as the work situation but again if there are laws on the books, it does not mean you get to just walk across the border. People should reread the history of civilization on all the invasions that eventually brought states down. Then you get politicians trying to define invasion. More bunk. Ever heard of an invasion of locusts, or lantern flies, or other plagues. It's an overtaking. At stake is the Constitution. When immigrants do it the right way, they are more appreciated. They assimilate better & feel they have accomplished something. A country has to maintain a high standard. it is too easy to curry favor & placate & that shows that such stances only suggest weakness, lack of integrity, & a greedy desire for votes. It's a shame lawmakers don't see this. Laying guilt trips on citizens too is not right. For those who virtue signal let me remind them of Christ speaking to Peter. Give them your cloak too. The virtualists essentially mean they want someone else to do the dirty work. In addition to the migrants from our own hemisphere, people of nearly all the world's countries have come here & some probably have other ideas on their minds. We seem to have forgotten all about 9-11. And who's to blame-as usual our govt.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Jacksonville FL Sheriffs arrests man accused of making threats against ICE protesters on social media​

“Look as a Jacksonville resident of [sic] I see any large gatherings to protest ice I’m going to grab my buddies [sic] tow truck and plow through every ignant [sic], un-american swine I see protestong [sic] the deportation of ILLEGAL immigrants, since you believe in them so much why don't you go with,” Degross is accused of writing.

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Coincidentally[?]

DeSantis warns potential rioters in Florida: Drivers can hit you if surrounded by a mob​

 

[wing2000]

For those who are schooled on the law & our essential documents the US created this debacle largely because of access to cheap labor. I blame both parties for that. We talk of reform & in the eyes of some politicians that means amnesty. They cave in. Look every country has borders & laws for immigration. Most countries are very strict. We saw this with Otto & Britney G. when they arrived in N. Korea & Russia respectively. Central Americans represent a people whose govts are totally dysfunctional, communist in cases, & where cartels & para-militaries control the state. They are impoverished, non-skilled, & illiterate. The US has to stop being the basket of goodies for all the world's wishes. We get stereotyped into the idea that all citizens are wealthy & can support all the world. We can't. We are tapped out. We have a legal method for entry but as I said both parties don't mine cheap labor whether its for business or unions. It comes with a price. No income tax is contributed & neither is property tax & those are huge burdens on us. Illegals are able to dodge the E-verify system. Any money they earn tends to get sent back home. That is not fair to the rest of us who have to shell it back to the govt which then goes to waste it. Then we have the fentanyl problem & the other drugs. The US cannot seem to break its thirst for drugs. Then there is human trafficking & lots of severe violence. And in the last few years, these illegals were able to access benefits because lawmakers were worried that hospitals would folk from demand & non-payment. So they come for the freebies. But someone else is paying the bill. It's all to easy to feel sorry for people but I don't recall Christ calling the paralytic a taxi. He said pick up your pallet & go home. After cheap labor its about getting illegals into the voting booth. Such poor people will vote one way because of the goodies that they don't have to work for. That is why they are faciliated to come in. It is puzzling why so many people don't aspire to higher education & skills & would rather perform this menial labor. But it's like slicing up a pizza. The more mouths to feed, the thinner the slice. Americans & the naturalized citizens don't deserve this lack of representation from our govt. Those greedy people are not looking out for the sovereignty of the country; they are only interested in their own power. A non-educated electorate means no one can spot the fox in the henhouse. E-verify would be a good place to start as far as the work situation but again if there are laws on the books, it does not mean you get to just walk across the border. People should reread the history of civilization on all the invasions that eventually brought states down. Then you get politicians trying to define invasion. More bunk. Ever heard of an invasion of locusts, or lantern flies, or other plagues. It's an overtaking. At stake is the Constitution. When immigrants do it the right way, they are more appreciated. They assimilate better & feel they have accomplished something. A country has to maintain a high standard. it is too easy to curry favor & placate & that shows that such stances only suggest weakness, lack of integrity, & a greedy desire for votes. It's a shame lawmakers don't see this. Laying guilt trips on citizens too is not right. For those who virtue signal let me remind them of Christ speaking to Peter. Give them your cloak too. The virtualists essentially mean they want someone else to do the dirty work. In addition to the migrants from our own hemisphere, people of nearly all the world's countries have come here & some probably have other ideas on their minds. We seem to have forgotten all about 9-11. And who's to blame-as usual our govt.

Speaking of "standards", you might try expressing your ideas in paragraphs.

 

[essentialsaltes]

About 60 people arrested after veterans' anti-ICE demonstration in Washington, DC, police say​

Some protesters will be charged with assault on a police officer and resisting arrest​

 

[rjs330]

As of this time it does appear that these protests were mostly peaceful. I haven't heard yet of any getting out of hand other than a few small incidents. We'll see what happens later.

Glad to so far to see people protesting properly. As it should be. Let your voices be heard, but do it with order, dont break the laws and without destruction.

 

[rjs330]

for the first time in the nation's history, conduct a military parade with tanks down the streets of our nation's capital.

Its the 250th anniversary of the military. A celebration of our troops. We appreciate them.

 

[rjs330]

How many people were involved in the "mayhem" relative to the total number of protestors?

Is that somehow super important? What percentage is acceptable?

How much of that "mayhem" was actually part of the protests, and how much of it was it people taking advantage of the situation to cause trouble?

All of it came out of the protests. Not all of the protestors were involved of course. I hope you also aren't trying to say that none of the protestors were involved.

If you don't have a clear answer for those questions, I'd suggest that it might be a good idea to back off the sweeping generalizations.

Why? Because as far as I know unless every single person involved in the rioting was never asked those questions. And since the activities happened during and after the protests its most certainly okay to generalize that the protestors also rioted. Not all of course and no one is saying they all did.

 

[essentialsaltes]

A question people should ask themselves more regularly.

 

[hedrick]

No kings isn’t specifically about immigration. It’s about a president who thinks he can make laws. Thus it’s somewhat separate from the immigration protests that are also happening, though immigration enforcement is one of the issues.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Do right wingers see left wingers as malcontents or as individuals who are protesting the problematic actions of the state?

I wouldn't consider myself a "right-winger", but I see the group of protestors coming out for these "No Kings" as spanning the spectrum of
"sincerely caring about the issue" to "looking for a reason to stir things up" to "merely wanting some sort of social connection or group to belong to"

While thankfully there's nobody in my family who's tossed a brick through a window (that I know of)

I definitely have family members who check off the other two boxes.

I have an uncle who seriously cares about the issues, seems to be extremely knowledgeable about them, and makes for a great debate sparring partner at family get-togethers.

On the flip side, my cousin (same side of the family, but from a different uncle) doesn't have any deep talking points that couldn't just as easily be on a bumper sticker, and if it weren't for her joining in with every left-leaning activism rally/event that shows up on her social media feed, wouldn't have a social circle.

I won't doxx my own cousin obviously, but she posted some pics of herself at one of the "No Kings" rallies today in NE Ohio.

She was wearing one of her many Pride shirts (naturally, with a "my pronouns are" stickers on it), and holding a sign that said "If there's money for a Parade, then where's my Medicaid"


And I actually worry about that TBH. If a person's entire social life relies on the "bond" of "opposing Trump", what are those folks going to do for a social life when he's gone one day?