I just realized something hilarious.

[shinbits]

If you tell someone that you support the theory of evolution, chances are very good that they'll say something a long the lines of "What! So you think all of this just came from NOTHING?! You think humans came from DIRT?!"

But no...it's only creationists that think that everything came from nothing and humans came from dirt. Humans came from apes just like crows came from birds.

Seriously, learn what the word "Hillarious" means. I clicked on this thread hoping to find something actually funny, just to read a completely useless thread with no support for it's poorly constructed premise.

Geez.

 

[Son of the King]

Oh I'm sorry was I supposed to comment about the christians in sorry conditions in africa and south america?

These Christians in Africa dont seem in sorry conditions. This was just last year.

In the name of Jesus

 

[hillard]

These Christians in Africa dont seem in sorry conditions. This was just last year.

In the name of Jesus

That's called: Mass hysteria, it's what religious con men specialise in.

 

[Son of the King]

That's called: Mass hysteria, it's what religious con men specialise in.

You have never felt a movement of the Holy Spirit? Over 2 million people supposedly there. Lets just say one received Christ as his or her Saviour. Then why cant you? Lets just say one there had a touch from God Himself. Then why cant you? Lets just say one was healed by God. Then why cant you? Lets just say one heard from God. Then why cant you? Lets just say one was annoited by the power of the Holy Spirit. Then why cant you? Lets just say one had a visitation from God Himself. Then why cant you? Lets just say one had a vision from God. Then why cant you? For that matter lets take the entire history of man kind. If JUST ONE, then why cant you?

 

[leftyatbest]

because what those people felt or heard or saw either

1) was psychologicly pushed upon them,
2) was something else that they felt, but they mistook it for god.
3) was fabricatd completely (a lie)
or
4) was actually god. (but there is no way to prove that, so why should anyone believe them?)

I'm still waiting for proof that there isn't a dragon in my garage. you believe me right?

 

[Son of the King]

because what those people felt or heard or saw either

1) was psychologicly pushed upon them,
2) was something else that they felt, but they mistook it for god.
3) was fabricatd completely (a lie)
or
4) was actually god. (but there is no way to prove that, so why should anyone believe them?)

I'm still waiting for proof that there isn't a dragon in my garage. you believe me right?

You personally interviewed each and every person that was there and heard their testimonies and this is your conclusion? And you want me to believe you have a dragon in your garage?

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Seriously, learn what the word "Hillarious" means. I clicked on this thread hoping to find something actually funny, just to read a completely useless thread with no support for it's poorly constructed premise.

Geez.

What's not hilarious about this:

"You're an evilutionist? You believe that all matter in the universe could just pop up out of nothing? You believe that humans evolved from dirt?! You need to turn to God; the one who created all matter in the universe out of nothing and formed the first human out of dirt!"

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

You have never felt a movement of the Holy Spirit?

This does not sound very hygienic. I hope you washed your hands afterwards.

Over 2 million people supposedly there. Lets just say one received Christ as his or her Saviour. Then why cant you? Lets just say one there had a touch from God Himself. Then why cant you? Lets just say one was healed by God. Then why cant you? Lets just say one heard from God. Then why cant you? Lets just say one was annoited by the power of the Holy Spirit. Then why cant you? Lets just say one had a visitation from God Himself. Then why cant you? Lets just say one had a vision from God. Then why cant you? For that matter lets take the entire history of man kind. If JUST ONE, then why cant you?

You're saying "Lets just say" a whole lot there. You can't "just say" it. Prove it.

 

[leftyatbest]

You personally interviewed each and every person that was there and heard their testimonies and this is your conclusion? And you want me to believe you have a dragon in your garage?

prove that there isnt a dragon in my garage.

prove that there isnt a dragon in your living room.

ill believe in god if you can do that.

 

[hillard]

You have never felt a movement of the Holy Spirit? Over 2 million people supposedly there. Lets just say one received Christ as his or her Saviour. Then why cant you? Lets just say one there had a touch from God Himself. Then why cant you? Lets just say one was healed by God. Then why cant you? Lets just say one heard from God. Then why cant you? Lets just say one was annoited by the power of the Holy Spirit. Then why cant you? Lets just say one had a visitation from God Himself. Then why cant you? Lets just say one had a vision from God. Then why cant you? For that matter lets take the entire history of man kind. If JUST ONE, then why cant you?

HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW?
I had a good feeling and I think it was God, but how do I tell the difference between a God and a good feeling?
I saw this guy on sticks throw away the sticks and walk without them, how do I know he wasn't put there to fool us?
if the main man can cure people why does he need to gather thousands of people together and charge them entry?
why doesn't he just go around curing people? why has everyone got to pay? are we all more vulnerable to suggestion when we're in a big crowd? am I being conned? you can bet your life I am.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

It's funny that Christians will dismiss mormons when they claim they have a "burning in their bosom" that proves what they believe is real. But that's essentially what this breaks down to. You have a good feeling when you hear people preach and when everyone else around you is feeling good. I used to get that feeling too when I went to church. I would get tingles and maybe my eyes would even get a little misty. But then I realized I got the same feeling listening to good music or looking at beautiful art (Bernini anyone? *Swoooooon!*)

 

[Son of the King]

It's funny that Christians will dismiss mormons when they claim they have a "burning in their bosom" that proves what they believe is real. But that's essentially what this breaks down to. You have a good feeling when you hear people preach and when everyone else around you is feeling good. I used to get that feeling too when I went to church. I would get tingles and maybe my eyes would even get a little misty. But then I realized I got the same feeling listening to good music or looking at beautiful art (Bernini anyone? *Swoooooon!*)

There is your problem then, going by your feelings rather than faith.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

There is your problem then, going by your feelings rather than faith.

You're the one who is putting so much emphasis on feeling the holy spirit.



SonoftheKing: Look at all those people feeling the holy spirit! Are you saying it's fake?

Everyone: Yes.

Me: Lot's of people from lots of different religions "feel" the equivalent of the holy spirit in their religion. I used to feel it too until I realized I was just being moved by beautiful things.

SonoftheKing: Well faith is what matters, not "feelings"

Everyone: *facepalm*

 

[hillard]

There is your problem then, going by your feelings rather than faith.

How does one acquire faith?
If you really need to or want to you can talk yourself into believing anything and you can call it whatever you like.

 

[Son of the King]

How does one acquire faith?
If you really need to or want to you can talk yourself into believing anything and you can call it whatever you like.

Sure you can and I have no doubt people do that, but my faith in God comes with evidence. You can know all of the principles in the Bible but without the Prince there is no power. You can know about His kingdom, but without the King its powerless. You can here and wonder about God but without His Spirit dwelling in you your powerless.

Hebrews 11.6
But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Roman 10:17
So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.



So there you have it. Not just faith in anything but in God's Word. Not feelings but faith. Faith that what God says you can trust. All laid out pretty clear in Hebrews. As for His Word it too is faithfully enduring just like He said it would.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 24:35
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 Peter 1:25
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[futzman]

Sure you can and I have no doubt people do that, but my faith in God comes with evidence. You can know all of the principles in the Bible but without the Prince there is no power. You can know about His kingdom, but without the King its powerless. You can here and wonder about God but without His Spirit dwelling in you your powerless.

Hebrews 11.6
But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Sounds like a threat to me. I really don't like threats and it smells of man-made authoritarianism. It doesn't to you?

Roman 10:17
So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So let me get this straight -- a book written by someone claims it is the word of God. So you don't see the problem with this? Does the word "scam" come to mind?

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

So believe because I said it is so! You still don't see a problem with this? I'm amazed...

So there you have it. Not just faith in anything but in God's Word. Not feelings but faith. Faith that what God says you can trust. All laid out pretty clear in Hebrews. As for His Word it too is faithfully enduring just like He said it would.

I thought you said your faith was based on evidence? Where is the evidence? Did I miss something?

 

[hillard]

but my faith in God comes with evidence.

I think you will find that your so called evidence is nothing more than a 'feeling' which you say we should not go on.