I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

[Bungle_Bear]

Yes Peppered Moths do exist, but the pictures
where miss labeled and displayed as proof of evolution.

Peppered Moth Still Not Evolving
Peppered Moth Still Not Evolving

Seriously, ICR? Did you even search for the Judith Hooper book they reference? In less than a minute you could have run a quick search and found that it's been described as "littered with errors, misrepresentations, misinterpretations and falsehoods" and many of her claims have been refuted. That's the standard ICR hold for themselves - they blatantly quote material which has been shown to be erroneous knowing that the average creationist won't question them. Most people call that lying, but the credulous call it "effective research" and swallow it hook, line and sinker without even thinking that ICR may be pulling the wool over their eyes.

Famous peppered moth's dark secret revealed
Textbook moth's dark secret revealed

lol. You link to an article which says that not only have they identified the gene that was responsible for the change, they also have a pretty good idea when the change happened. I'm not sure how that is supposed to help with your claim that evolution is bunk, but it's a highly effective way of shooting yourself in the foot.

Good work.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Change in allele frequency over time does occur, but this alone is not enough for evolution Evolution allele frequencies - creation.com

The most amusing part of that article is the very opening line "Creationists should learn to spot the fallacy of equivocation—where someone illegitimately switches the definition of a word in the middle an [sic] argument". The author then goes on to - you've guessed it - equivocate:

"Now, the critic has defined biological evolution as this type of change - 'the change in allele frequencies'" but the author wants to alter the meaning - "The kind of evolution we deny—universal common ancestry"

Do you see what he did there? Classic bait and switch.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Famous peppered moth's dark secret revealed
Textbook moth's dark secret revealed

lol. You link to an article which says that not only have they identified the gene that was responsible for the change, they also have a pretty good idea when the change happened. I'm not sure how that is supposed to help with your claim that evolution is bunk, but it's a highly effective way of shooting yourself in the foot.

Good work.

As the linked article explicitly describes it as an example of evolution, the most charitable explanation for including the link is that Semper-Fi has his/her own contrary definition of evolution - which might be interesting to hear.

 

[Gottservant]

This is the cross of the matter:

If Evolution is finite, something finite evolves.

Alternatively, if Evolution is infinite, something infinite evolves.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is the cross of the matter:

If Evolution is finite, something finite evolves.

Alternatively, if Evolution is infinite, something infinite evolves.

Nonsensical.

Evolution just happens. That's all there is to it.

 

[Qwertyui0p]

This is the cross of the matter:

If Evolution is finite, something finite evolves.

Alternatively, if Evolution is infinite, something infinite evolves.

What exactly do you mean by 'evolution'?
Also, crux, not cross.

 

[AV1611VET]

What exactly do you mean by 'evolution'?
Also, crux, not cross.

Hi, Qwerty!

Do you know what one of the longest words is that you can make from the top row of your keyboard?

Spoiler

TYPEWRITER

 

[driewerf]

This is the cross of the matter:

If Evolution is finite, something finite evolves.

Alternatively, if Evolution is infinite, something infinite evolves.

From the text above it is very obvious that you don't know anything about the Theory of Evolution.
Here are two resources to learn about it.
Welcome to Evolution 101!

 

[Gottservant]

I think I know, where I stand:

Allele frequencies have to agree, for the species to survive.

All I am looking for, is a way to believe in Evolution, without causing chaos in my allele frequencies?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think I know, where I stand:

Allele frequencies have to agree, for the species to survive.

All I am looking for, is a way to believe in Evolution, without causing chaos in my allele frequencies?

There aren't "special" allele frequencies that majikly make species survive.

*YOU* don't have an allele frequency. For standard simple genes you either have 2 different alleles for that gene (one from each parent) or two copies of the same allele.

Human evolution doesn't happen to individuals, it happens to the collective whole of us by affecting the nature of our descendants.

 

[Gottservant]

We don't all procreate at the same time, because we agree we are a population in need of evolving...

...what you are saying is nonsense?

Am I supposed to believe you are not saying it, to me, but to "all of us"?

 

[Gottservant]

Imagine saying to your mate "I just want you to know, its not because I like you, that we are doing this: but because the population as a whole, is doing this?"

Seriously!

 

[Hans Blaster]

...what you are saying is nonsense?

This is *exactly* what many have been trying to say to you for a looonnnggg time.

 

[Gottservant]

What if I say "I am sick"?

Are you going to tell me "you are more likely to evolve, while your body makes repeated attempts to heal?"

For all intents and purposes, sick Evolution is an upgrade - to you?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you going to tell me "you are more likely to evolve, while your body makes repeated attempts to heal?"

No, I wouldn't say that. Nor would any informed, sane person on this site or any other say that.

I N D I V I D U A L S ** D O N ' T ** E V O L V E !!!!!!!

Learn this fact. Comprehend it. Absorb it. Grok it. Then come back. We'll see you in a few weeks or more.

 

[Gottservant]

Oh yes, I'm forgetting your determination to skew logic:

what if an entire population got sick, that would ultimately be good?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh yes, I'm forgetting your determination to skew logic:

what if an entire population got sick, that would ultimately be good?

Gottservant, have you made any attempt to actually study evolution?

 

[driewerf]

I think I know, where I stand:

Allele frequencies have to agree, for the species to survive.

All I am looking for, is a way to believe in Evolution, without causing chaos in my allele frequencies?

I hope that you learn to believe very quickly about Evolution, because chaotic allele frequencies are some of the worst things you can have. I had to go to the doctor because my allele frequencies were so messed up. It took him hours and hours to fine tune my allele frequencies again. Before I was devolving. Some body parts were devolving to Neanderthal, and my left lung was already in the stage of Austrolopthicus. My doctor told me it's because of the windmills. You remember that Trump declared that windmills cause cancer. Well windmills can chaotize allele frequencies. Since then I evolve greatly again.
So now i have to learn how to evolve into a Homo Sapiens again.

That experience has of course it bonus. I check my allele frequencies every morning. You should do that too. I developped an allele frequncy checker. Great device, works fine. If you want you can order one.

It will keep the allele frequencies of you and your family fine. Of course, you need one per person.
Don't hesitate. Imagine what can happen, you walk under a windmill, and you get cancer and your allele frequencies are messed up. Or the allele frequencies of your spouse. You go to bed with your human better half, and the next morning you wake up near a Pithecantropus. The pain, the shame, the suffering. While a good, simple allele frequency checker could have saved you from all that.
If you have a large family and need a lot of allele frequency checkers, a discount is possible.
But don't hesitate...

 

[Gottservant]

If I go backwards, am I losing my "humanity"?

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!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If I go backwards, am I losing my "humanity"?

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!

Evolution doesn't work on a backwards or forwards linear scale.