I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

[pitabread]

Do you enjoy not making sense?

In fairness to them, they do have a medical condition influencing how their mind works. I'd give them a break in that regard.

 

[Ophiolite]

In fairness to them, they do have a medical condition influencing how their mind works.

It is a timely reminder and we should be considerate. On the other hand I think their posts are starting to influence how my mind works . . . . . . . . . and not necessarily in a positive way.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I enjoy it, a little (sadly - can't help it).

Just being honest: if Evolution is supposed to make more sense, because it "has" to,, I don't think you are ever going to sound like someone, who knew what sanity was.

I'm sorry, if that means I enjoy the wrong thing, but in the Evolutionary context, I sincerely don't understand where within me the consistency (that would make Evolution constructive) is supposed to come from.

So yes, before God and before you, I publicly confess I put the hope of being "sane" with Jesus, before being less reasonable with "Evolution".

I guess that is where we differ? That Evolution lacks "the reasonable", to me? (I don't understand what making a reasonable attempt at being the child of a monkey, is).

Again, all you are showing is that you do not understand a single thing about evolution and have no desire to learn anything about evolution, no matter your repeated claims of asking questions.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In fairness to them, they do have a medical condition influencing how their mind works. I'd give them a break in that regard.

Oh I know. But there are times where it seems... too on the nose, to me.

 

[Gottservant]

The more I think about it, the simpler it seems.

How do you define a "yes" to Evolution, from a 'no' to Evolution?

That's where Jesus draws a line in the sand, if you can't tell that only certain cases of "Evolution" are positive (and that there are negative cases), you are either deceiving yourself, or trying to deceive others?

 

[Freodin]

The more I think about it, the simpler it seems.

How do you define a "yes" to Evolution, from a 'no' to Evolution?

That's where Jesus draws a line in the sand, if you can't tell that only certain cases of "Evolution" are positive (and that there are negative cases), you are either deceiving yourself, or trying to deceive others?

Can you please, just for a moment, stop at pondering these convoluted ideas and just listen and consider what people are trying to tell you?

"Evolution" is the description of a certain process. Nothing more.
You might question if this process happens... but regardless of how many lines Jesus draws in the sand... all the evidence points to: "Yes, it does."

All the other considerations that you constantly bring on: "Yes to evolution, no to evolution, what about my evolution, I don't want to be evolved..."... it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have any real connection to the topic.

Take... well, let's take jumping.

Jumping is the act of using the power of your legs to lift you up from the ground. It does happen. You can easily do it yourself (provided you are not paralysed).

So, are there "positive" cases of jumping? Are there "negative" cases? Do people deceive themselves about jumping? What did Jesus say about jumping? Did Jesus not rise into the sky? Do you reject the idea of jumping because you will come down after a few seconds, and not float upwards?

All these questions have nothing to do with what "jumping" is, and whether it happens.

And if you now apply that to "evolution", you will have come a bit closer to calm your troubled mind.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The more I think about it, the simpler it seems.

How do you define a "yes" to Evolution, from a 'no' to Evolution?

That's where Jesus draws a line in the sand, if you can't tell that only certain cases of "Evolution" are positive (and that there are negative cases), you are either deceiving yourself, or trying to deceive others?

There is no 'yes' and 'no' to evolution. Evolution is just evolution, the change in the genetics and alleles of a biologicals organism due to changes and pressures in the environment.

Trying to bring Jesus into this is a very sad and honestly very stupid attempt at making this a religious issue when it isn't.

 

[Gottservant]

I don't buy that there is no 'yes' and 'no' to Evolution, but that aside...

...how many times would humanity be the object of Evolution, before you would agree: that (Evolution) is all that mankind is capable of?

Seriously think about it: would one repetition of humanity after a change be enough? would two repetitions after few changes? three? - where do you draw the line and say "no, humanity has no way back, from here (this species)"?

I can tell you if I was told my design was not good enough, unto death - I would be taking it up with God! There is no way God created me, just to evolve, no matter how much or in what way, as though I could not be exhausted (and no longer able to evolve, because of switching back and forth).

 

[Freodin]

I don't buy that there is no 'yes' and 'no' to Evolution, but that aside...

...how many times would humanity be the object of Evolution, before you would agree: that (Evolution) is all that mankind is capable of?

Seriously think about it: would one repetition of humanity after a change be enough? would two repetitions after few changes? three? - where do you draw the line and say "no, humanity has no way back, from here (this species)"?

I can tell you if I was told my design was not good enough, unto death - I would be taking it up with God! There is no way God created me, just to evolve, no matter how much or in what way, as though I could not be exhausted (and no longer able to evolve, because of switching back and forth).

Still not listening, still not learning.

Come on, Gottservant, regardless of your condition or your position... even you are capable of processing informations.
You are, are you?

Or are you so far removed from the world that other people's word are just triggers for you, to go off into another unconnected rant based on the confines of your mind?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Come on, Gottservant, regardless of your condition or your position... even you are capable of processing informations.
You are, are you?

It doesn’t look like it. These threads are summed up by the following clip where the AI tries to figure out how to win nuclear war.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't buy that there is no 'yes' and 'no' to Evolution, but that aside...

...how many times would humanity be the object of Evolution, before you would agree: that (Evolution) is all that mankind is capable of?

Seriously think about it: would one repetition of humanity after a change be enough? would two repetitions after few changes? three? - where do you draw the line and say "no, humanity has no way back, from here (this species)"?

I can tell you if I was told my design was not good enough, unto death - I would be taking it up with God! There is no way God created me, just to evolve, no matter how much or in what way, as though I could not be exhausted (and no longer able to evolve, because of switching back and forth).

You may not buy it, but it's the truth no matter how often you bury your head in the sand.

 

[Gottservant]

You may not buy it, but it's the truth no matter how often you bury your head in the sand.

Come on? Answer the question?

How many times could mankind go back to being a monkey, if a greater Evolution was promised in the end?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Come on? Answer the question?

How many times could mankind go back to being a monkey, if a greater Evolution was promised in the end?

There is no 'greater Evolution promised in the end', that's not how evolution works. There is no end goal with evolution. As long as the environments and environmental pressures keep affecting biology, then animals will continue to evolve.

 

[Gottservant]

There is no 'greater Evolution promised in the end', that's not how evolution works. There is no end goal with evolution. As long as the environments and environmental pressures keep affecting biology, then animals will continue to evolve.

You are guaranteed a selection pressure that will persist? Even if it requires that you have taken a different path, between different species, to reach it?

It sounds a lot like "free energy"?

Or do you mean "we are only allowed to be monkeys once"?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You are guaranteed a selection pressure that will persist? Even if it requires that you have taken a different path, between different species, to reach it?

It sounds a lot like "free energy"?

Or do you mean "we are only allowed to be monkeys once"?

You're completely ignoring what I've said. So I'll just repeat myself:
There is no 'greater Evolution promised in the end', that's not how evolution works. There is no end goal with evolution. As long as the environments and environmental pressures keep affecting biology, then animals will continue to evolve.

 

[Gottservant]

You're completely ignoring what I've said. So I'll just repeat myself:
There is no 'greater Evolution promised in the end', that's not how evolution works. There is no end goal with evolution. As long as the environments and environmental pressures keep affecting biology, then animals will continue to evolve.

I believe it is you, who is not listening?

How many times can you be a monkey, before Evolution ceases to work (to create something greater than a monkey)?

There is no way to tell? We fluked it (and would be fluking it, if we tried again)? What?

Maybe we need to go further back than the monkey, to come at it from the necessary angle?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I believe it is you, who is not listening?

How many times can you be a monkey, before Evolution ceases to work (to create something greater than a monkey)?

There is no way to tell? We fluked it (and would be fluking it, if we tried again)? What?

Maybe we need to go further back than the monkey, to come at it from the necessary angle?

It is impossible to go backwards to what was before in terms of biological evolution. Humans will not be able to evolve backwards into more basal apes. We could evolve into something LIKE the apes, but we can't go back to was before hand.

Evolution does not stop to work. There might be an ecological niche that it creates that animals are perfectly suited for (sharks, crocodiles, turtles and snakes have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years), but there will be varieties of those creatures that evolution works on to better fit their own specific niches (bull sharks can swim in fresh and salt water, along with saltwater crocodiles, while all but two breeds of sharks can only live in salt water and crocodiles can only live in fresh water).

But, to repeat myself: There is no end goal with evolution. As long as the environments and environmental pressures keep affecting biology, then animals will continue to evolve.

Also, if you respond with any inane questions, then I'll know you haven't read what I wrote.

 

[Gottservant]

I mean I am at base, assuming that you are at least trying - to do something to improve your standing, in life?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I mean I am at base, assuming that you are at least trying - to do something to improve your standing, in life?

What does that have to do with evolution? My standing in life has nothing to do with evolution.

Have you been forgetting to take your meds again?

 

[Gottservant]

It is impossible to go backwards to what was before in terms of biological evolution. Humans will not be able to evolve backwards into more basal apes. We could evolve into something LIKE the apes, but we can't go back to was before hand.

Evolution does not stop to work. There might be an ecological niche that it creates that animals are perfectly suited for (sharks, crocodiles, turtles and snakes have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years), but there will be varieties of those creatures that evolution works on to better fit their own specific niches (bull sharks can swim in fresh and salt water, along with saltwater crocodiles, while all but two breeds of sharks can only live in salt water and crocodiles can only live in fresh water).

But, to repeat myself: There is no end goal with evolution. As long as the environments and environmental pressures keep affecting biology, then animals will continue to evolve.

Also, if you respond with any inane questions, then I'll know you haven't read what I wrote.

You are overlooking throwbacks.

It is established that past successes, can be revived, in subsequent generations ("he has your grandfather's height", or "your mother's weight" for two examples).

Your argument is that a series of throwbacks, would do nothing to change a genome, that on the other hand keeps changing (from monkey to man? to whatever?)?

There is no way to justify, that? If you are open to change, why not claim so, even despite throwbacks?